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Posted By: Travis13 Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/23/19
What would you choose under $2000? 6.5 Creed. Something for stalking, and I already have the suppressor. Thanks
Maybe a Kimber Mt Ascent if buying factory?
Posted By: Aviator Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/23/19
Barrett Fieldcraft
Yes, buying factory
I would look for something that is already threaded 5/8"-24 to match the suppressor. I am not sure that that exists in a "mountain rifle" configuration. I am not keen on having to use an adapter to get up to the right thread size. Just one more thing to be misaligned and cause a baffle strike. Now, if you are using a QD suppressor that has options for multiple thread sized attachments, that is a different story.
The Fieldcraft is a no brainer, here. Not only does it balance well with a suppressor attached, it has an adequate shoulder to support the threads. I hunted most of 2018 with a suppressed Fieldcraft in 6.5 CM including a trip to Colorado.
My suppressor is a Q Trash Panda
Kimber Ascent would already be threaded, 7/16"x???. Would need a bushing to bump it to 5/8"x24 tpi. Christensen Arms web says Ridgeline barrels over 25 caliber are threaded 5/8"x24. No adapter needed. Should have sufficient shoulder to properly seat/support the suppressor. Not crazy about CF barrels. However, this is the reason I would prefer a Ridgeline over a Mesa in the CA line up.
Originally Posted by Woodhits
The Fieldcraft is a no brainer, here.

I concur.
Christensen Arms Mesa.
Posted By: Dude270 Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/24/19
Fieldcraft would be hard to beat for this.
I love my threaded 6.5
Is the Fieldcraft threaded 5/8x24?
Yes.
Ridgeline with 20” barrel,
Posted By: turkish Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/25/19
Originally Posted by HandgunHTR
I would look for something that is already threaded 5/8"-24 to match the suppressor. I am not sure that that exists in a "mountain rifle" configuration. I am not keen on having to use an adapter to get up to the right thread size. Just one more thing to be misaligned and cause a baffle strike. Now, if you are using a QD suppressor that has options for multiple thread sized attachments, that is a different story.

Can you explain the QD comment?

I’m new to the suppressor game. Have had a Tikka chopped and threaded but must use an adapter. With my Silencerco Omega, I’d planned not to use their ASR attachment, since I won’t be moving it among different rifles. Would I be better off using it than a threaded adapter? Or wouldn’t I still need an adapter? Maybe not if I bought the ASR brake with correct threads?

Said another way, if bbl is threaded 1/2-28, is a 1/2-28 ASR brake with an ASR mount much preferred over a 1/2 to 5/8 adapter, with a direct thread mount?

Really can’t fathom why someone would want to add 12 oz. or so of weight and 7 in. or so of length to a mountain rifle.
Originally Posted by Poconojack

Really can’t fathom why someone would want to add 12 oz. or so of weight and 7 in. or so of length to a mountain rifle.

What's your definition of mountain rifle?
Originally Posted by Poconojack

Really can’t fathom why someone would want to add 12 oz. or so of weight and 7 in. or so of length to a mountain rifle.


I don’t think it’s that hard to “fathom”.
Originally Posted by Poconojack

Really can’t fathom why someone would want to add 12 oz. or so of weight and 7 in. or so of length to a mountain rifle.


Once you start shooting everything with a suppressor, it’s hard to fathom hunting without one.

Originally Posted by Woodhits
The Fieldcraft is a no brainer, here.


Agree 110%

I have owned a .308 Fieldcraft with 18” bbl threaded 5/8, 6.5 Cr with 21” featherweight barrel threaded 1/2”, and now have the 22” sporter 6.5 Cr threaded at 5/8”. If you want a 1/2 MOA mountain rifle that shoots as easily as a BR gun, put a silencer on a Barrett Fieldcraft.

For a mountain stalking rifle, 18” is probably your Huckleberry. Since I’m not stalking in the mountains, I went with the 5lb 7.4oz version with 22” sporter barrel. It is my (new) favorite firearm.
Just picked up my first fieldcraft today. It's a non threaded 6 creedmoor but I'm on the lookout for a threaded 7-08. I think the 18.5" 7-08 will be awesome. Especially since its an 8 twist with a 3" mag box.

Bb
I've been very happy with my suppressed Kimber. ~$150 to cut, thread and mount a threaded collar to as a shoulder leaves you well under $2k. Mine is a 6.5 and is threaded 1/2x28. Comes out to 7lb 1.1oz with my can, very nice to carry in the mountains, wouldn't want to go back to unsuppressed hunting.

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Originally Posted by turkish
Originally Posted by HandgunHTR
I would look for something that is already threaded 5/8"-24 to match the suppressor. I am not sure that that exists in a "mountain rifle" configuration. I am not keen on having to use an adapter to get up to the right thread size. Just one more thing to be misaligned and cause a baffle strike. Now, if you are using a QD suppressor that has options for multiple thread sized attachments, that is a different story.

Can you explain the QD comment?

I’m new to the suppressor game. Have had a Tikka chopped and threaded but must use an adapter. With my Silencerco Omega, I’d planned not to use their ASR attachment, since I won’t be moving it among different rifles. Would I be better off using it than a threaded adapter? Or wouldn’t I still need an adapter? Maybe not if I bought the ASR brake with correct threads?

Said another way, if bbl is threaded 1/2-28, is a 1/2-28 ASR brake with an ASR mount much preferred over a 1/2 to 5/8 adapter, with a direct thread mount?


Most QD mounts are set up to center the bore of the suppressor to the bore of the mount (usually a taper). Also, they usually have a way to lock the suppressor to the mount. With a threaded adapter, you have to worry about it being centered to your bore, then worry about it coming loose AND your suppressor coming loose. So, it is just a preference of mine to not use thread adapters.
If the ASR mount comes in 1/2"-28 with a .30 cal bore, I would recommend that for your Omega, even if you are not going to move it to a different rifle.
Originally Posted by HandgunHTR


If the ASR mount comes in 1/2"-28 with a .30 cal bore, I would recommend that for your Omega, even if you are not going to move it to a different rifle.


I definitely wouldn’t recommend the Silencerco ASR QD mount on a mountain rifle. I have a Silencerco Omega and speak from experience.

1. The Omega comes with two interchangeable direct-thread bases, one for 1/2x28 and one for 5/8x24, so no adapter is required. Just unscrew one base from the silencer and swap it for the other.
2. Adding a QD mount also means adding a muzzle device. You’ll be adding an extra 1” of length compared to the DT base and an extra 3 to 4 oz. These seem like small numbers but they’re multiplied exponentially because of WHERE that extra weight and length is going: on the end of a lightweight barrel!
I kinda like the Savage High Country, think the 6.5 has 22” barrel and is threaded. I am having suppressor envy reading about how great they are it’s time to start the process of owning one!
Posted By: turkish Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/27/19
Originally Posted by SlimBlundt
Originally Posted by HandgunHTR


If the ASR mount comes in 1/2"-28 with a .30 cal bore, I would recommend that for your Omega, even if you are not going to move it to a different rifle.


I definitely wouldn’t recommend the Silencerco ASR QD mount on a mountain rifle. I have a Silencerco Omega and speak from experience.

1. The Omega comes with two interchangeable direct-thread bases, one for 1/2x28 and one for 5/8x24, so no adapter is required. Just unscrew one base from the silencer and swap it for the other.
2. Adding a QD mount also means adding a muzzle device. You’ll be adding an extra 1” of length compared to the DT base and an extra 3 to 4 oz. These seem like small numbers but they’re multiplied exponentially because of WHERE that extra weight and length is going: on the end of a lightweight barrel!

Many thanks. #2 is why I passed on the ASR initially. I’ll have to check, but I don’t think mine came with a 1/2” direct thread.

What mostly caught my attention was the suggestion that this setup was more apt to fault in a baffle strike.
Originally Posted by turkish
Originally Posted by SlimBlundt
Originally Posted by HandgunHTR


If the ASR mount comes in 1/2"-28 with a .30 cal bore, I would recommend that for your Omega, even if you are not going to move it to a different rifle.


I definitely wouldn’t recommend the Silencerco ASR QD mount on a mountain rifle. I have a Silencerco Omega and speak from experience.

1. The Omega comes with two interchangeable direct-thread bases, one for 1/2x28 and one for 5/8x24, so no adapter is required. Just unscrew one base from the silencer and swap it for the other.
2. Adding a QD mount also means adding a muzzle device. You’ll be adding an extra 1” of length compared to the DT base and an extra 3 to 4 oz. These seem like small numbers but they’re multiplied exponentially because of WHERE that extra weight and length is going: on the end of a lightweight barrel!

Many thanks. #2 is why I passed on the ASR initially. I’ll have to check, but I don’t think mine came with a 1/2” direct thread.

What mostly caught my attention was the suggestion that this setup was more apt to fault in a baffle strike.


Luckily, with the Omega mount thread becoming somewhat of an industry standard, you have plenty of options if you want to pick up a DT adapter.

Hansohn Bros direct thread adapter

Rex Silentium direct thread adapters

Dead Air direct thread adapter

I prefer to run cans on my suppressed hunting rifles in direct thread configuration. The key is to have a nice wide shoulder on the barrel then they don't come loose. If you don't have enough shoulder they'll tend to work themselves loose.
Posted By: turkish Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/29/19
I sure appreciate it!
Posted By: kevinJ Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/30/19
Just finished putting together and load development for a friend. a christensen ridgeline 6.5 creed 20” barrel. Nxs 3.5-15x50. Silencerco omega
Super nice rifle. Shots factory ammo great. The 143 eldx precision hunter into a half moa groups at 100. Only problem was velocity in that load was 2525 out of the 20” barrel. ES and SD were not very impressive with the factory ammo. At 300 groups started to open up due to velocity inconsistencies ( magnetospeed)

I went h4350, Hornady brass, 140 Berger elite hybrid, cci primer
Es and Sd were single digits. Gun shoots under half moa all the way to 700( as far as I have taken it). Was able to get velocity to 2750 safely. Makes me wander why I don’t have one also

Don’t think you would be disappointed with it
Posted By: kevinJ Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/30/19
If I knew how to post pics I would
Originally Posted by turkish


What mostly caught my attention was the suggestion that this setup was more apt to fault in a baffle strike.


I wasn't trying to imply that if you went direct thread you were more apt to have a baffle strike. What I was stating was that if you added a 1/2-28 to 5/8-24 adapter and then threaded your suppressor onto that, you were more likely to have a problem and that if you were going to do that, you might as well use the ASR mount. If you just put in a 1/2-28 insert into your Omega and thread it directly onto your barrel you should be GTG.

All that being said, have you looked into the safe wall-thickness margins recommended for 30 cal bores? I am not sure I would thread a 30 cal bore to 1/2-28.
Posted By: turkish Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/30/19
Originally Posted by HandgunHTR
Originally Posted by turkish


What mostly caught my attention was the suggestion that this setup was more apt to fault in a baffle strike.


I wasn't trying to imply that if you went direct thread you were more apt to have a baffle strike. What I was stating was that if you added a 1/2-28 to 5/8-24 adapter and then threaded your suppressor onto that, you were more likely to have a problem and that if you were going to do that, you might as well use the ASR mount. If you just put in a 1/2-28 insert into your Omega and thread it directly onto your barrel you should be GTG.

All that being said, have you looked into the safe wall-thickness margins recommended for 30 cal bores? I am not sure I would thread a 30 cal bore to 1/2-28.

I follow now. Adapters introduce chance of error. The misunderstanding was totally on my end.

The bbl I’m considering is .284 T3 Lite, one many folks seem to suggest 1/2”. I’m also considering just getting a RAR-P.
Originally Posted by Travis13
My suppressor is a Q Trash Panda



Check "Q's" web site for technical data on muzzle thread tenon recommendations. https://www.liveqordie.com/technical-data/
Posted By: Adamjp Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 09/30/19
Shortened and suppressed rifles are popular in New Zealand. Like Europeans, they generally prefer a reflex (over barrel) suppressor and 18in barrel to reduce overall length. Generally they won't go much further forward than 5in, with the back of the suppressor starting just forward of the stock of the rifle (usually a Tikka T3).
Posted By: RDW Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 10/02/19
I would be happy as hell if I never had to shoot un-supressed for the rest of my life. And I can't wait to slay a deer or two with my 6CFC driving 105 BTHP's next month, currently have a Silencerco Harvester on it until the Dead Air Nomad arrives next summer, quite a bit shorter but fatter and bought specifically for the FC. The OAL currently is pretty close to a 700 Mountain Rifle so I don't get the comments about adding length or weight, it's a non-issue at least to me.

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Posted By: bluedot Re: Suppressed Mountain Rifle? - 10/02/19
Barrett field craft all the way. Accurate, light, mine is 7 lb 4 oz with can and scope installed. Great rifle well built and easy to work up accurate loads.
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Originally Posted by RDW
I would be happy as hell if I never had to shoot un-supressed for the rest of my life. And I can't wait to slay a deer or two with my 6CFC driving 105 BTHP's next month, currently have a Silencerco Harvester on it until the Dead Air Nomad arrives next summer, quite a bit shorter but fatter and bought specifically for the FC. The OAL currently is pretty close to a 700 Mountain Rifle so I don't get the comments about adding length or weight, it's a non-issue at least to me.

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Nice! Honestly the biggest draw of a featherweight rifle, for me, is the fact that I can put a decent scope and a can on, and wind up with a very functional 7lb - 7.5lb all up package. I'd trade barrel length for a can on a hunting rifle all day, confident that I didn't give up anything that really mattered.
Originally Posted by Poconojack

Really can’t fathom why someone would want to add 12 oz. or so of weight and 7 in. or so of length to a mountain rifle.


Well, I can tell you someone would have to knock me down and tie me up to give me an 18" rifle without a suppressor. BTDT.
I sometimes deer hunt with a friend who won't hunt with anyone who hasn't got a suppressor installed. He says, "I'm not having every deer in the valley put on high alert after one deer down". Fair enough so I use a supressed .308 when I hunt with him.
Off subject but.... Scenar that is a nice speed goat.

Bb
Originally Posted by scenarshooter
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Check out the Omega 300......


Pat, that’s a beautiful speedgoat! Is that this years?
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