Reading JB's recent article Medium Mediums he uses that line in describing the 358 Norma Mag got me thinking that this subject would be an interesting topic. My vote would be for the 358's cousin the 308 Norma Magnum. Although today a round with a belt is not considered cool by some there is little to none to criticise in this round's design and would have been a better fit in some of the actions available when the 300 Win Mag was introduced. I am not saying the 300 WM is bad just that I think the 308 Norma is better. It just shows that having the best design doesn't neccessarly mean success. I also think that 35 cal rifles should have had a faster twist as well like the 1 in 12 twist on my Whelen

Maybe the 356 Winchester. You know, a pretty powerful cartridge in a short package. A brilliant woods cartridge with the trajectory to reach out across a field if need be.

Landrum

Cartridges that deserved better:

350 Rem Mag;

358 Win; and

284 Win.

BMT

+1 Bigtime!!!

Another vote for 358 win.

How about 30-06. It could pretty much do everything that needed to be done 101 years ago yet the gun and ammo makers have dissed it by comming out with about a zillon new cartridges just to do what the 06 already does.

I'm a fan of the .375 Win.

My nomination is the .376 Steyr.

I tried to get Steyr-Mannlicher to market it as the 21st century design of the 9.3X62, but they could not wrap their minds around that concept.

I killed the largest animal ( a metric ton) I have killed in Africa with it.



jim

The .260

7WSM
7saum

300saum

7X57 Mauser..........

358 Win for sure!!!

357 Max. It is a wonderfully effective and efficient cartridge.Out of carbines or handguns.

.260 Remington!

Most under-appreciated cartridges to me:

Rifles:

318 Westley-Richards
35 Newton and
a whole bunch of Euro-metrics that are too numerous to list

Handguns:

9x23 Winchester
41 Action Express

338/06 and it also deserved a better name at the end of it.

2nd would be the 358win.

In order of caliber:

1) .25-20
2).300 Savage (Guess where the .308 started and where TC went with the .30 TC?)
3).348 Winchester
4) 450-400 3 1/4"

.260 Remington.........
.280 Remington, too, for that matter.

Best Regards

I agree on the 338-06. I love it and all that have one seem to love it. Recoil is moderate and the ballastics are good with bullets weighing from 180-225 grains. I do not know why more companies do not chamber it and I agree, 338-06 Remington or Winchester or 338 American could be better names

.284Win,and 8MM Rem Mag.The big 8mm is the perfect moose/elk rifle for BC,and will give a pretty fair punch to an unwelcome grizzly.I load mine with 220gr A-Frames,at around 3000fps. Monashee

The .358 Win. is an easy choice. Also overlooked is the .41 mag. in handguns (and possibly rifles too).

One not mentioned so far is the 6mm Rem. If it had been properly marketed (with a proper twist rate) the .243 Win. would be trying to play catch-up.

One more that should go on the overlooked list is the .264 Mag. Shoots flatter than a .25-06 and hits almost as hard as a 7mm mag.

.284 Winchester
6MM Remington
.257 Roberts

.358 Winchester
.356 Winchester
7 mm WSM
.280 Remington
.284 Winchester

Each is a great cartridge that failed to grip the shooting public. Each still does what they were designed to do.

.280 Remington
.225 Winchester

Like several have already stated

284 Win
260 Rem
338-06

That's a decent arsenal right there too, come to think of it.

300 Savage. What a shame that the company that built the best lever gun ever manufactured doesn't even make the gun that made this round famous any more.

270 Winchester............ I say that sorta "tongue-in-cheek" because it has been criticized over the years by many who constantly rap it for being inadequate, not flat shooting enough, not powerful enough, not accurate enough, etc,etc,ad nauseum. Yet it has buried, and continues to bury, its competition, and very few cartridges that approximate its ballistics are anywhere near it in popularity.Other cartridges in its' general power range offer absolutely nothing in the way of a significant improvement in its field performance.

Every year it piles up more tons of game,from moose on down than a lot of cartidges designed to be its superior. Up close and across canyons, it just continues to roll big game of all sizes from light-weight, portable rifles that are easy to shoot, and accurate enough and flat-shooting enough for any rational use.

My vote definitely goes to the 264 Winchester Magnum. It was so villified in the press that it eventually disappeared from production guns. It's hard to beat the 264WM for medium game at long ranges.

.224 Weatherby,.240 Weatherby,.358 Norma

Darby: +1.

6mm remington hands down

.250 Savage for sure

How 'bout the 338 Win Mag. Sure, lots of people think of it as the perfect BIG game rifle, but I think alot of people over look how great it works in the smaller game. Flinging 210gr Partitions, it makes the deer and antelope not want to play anymore...

Though I've not owned one, I've always thought the .284 Win made a lot of sence. I'd think it would do what ever BobinNH stated the 270 does, but in a lighter, shorter rifle...

250-3000
260
284
30 Newton
358
41 Mag

358 Win
350 Rem Mag
35 Whelen
358 Norma Mag
338-06
280 Rem
260 Rem

They all got the undeserved raw deal IMO.

Would love to see a 375 Rem Mag.

I've limited my list to cartridges that I have rifles for. I believe that all of the list of cartridges below fit the category of being much more effective than they are popular.

250 Savage
257 Roberts
7X57
280 Rem
338-06
358 Winchester
35 Whelen

Steve

.25-20 a mild little cartridge that's got it all over the various hotshot rimfires for small game the size of coons, beaver, turkey, close-range fox etc.

.303 Savage with its 190 grain bullets a somewhat better woods gun than the .30-30

5 mm rimfire mag if it had been put in a properly engineered bolt rifle and a lever action it would still be around today. In fact, if someone wanted to produce some good ammo and a couple of good rifles this might come back to life, given the current fascination with hot rimfires.

.41 Magnum this cartridge will accomplish very nicely 95% of what any rational person wants to do with a revolver

My favorites would be the 35 caliber:

35 Rem
356 Win
358 Win
35 Whelen
350 Rem Mag

They use all the same weight bullets, powders and primers. But I guess it really boils down to the manufacturers that keep trying to out do one another with new calibers. All the hipe and then a cartridge dies. Every caliber mentioned is a great cartridge. Also we as hunters choose a caliber for our own style of hunting. Accross the canyon, the field, wide open plains and the swamps. There are alot of calibers that got lost in the new era of SAUM, WSSM and all the belted mags but we still use what each of us like. Ken

.250-3000
8x57
.376 Steyr

250 Savage, fast, powerful, versatile, plenty of bullets to choose from. 284 Win., just "cuz".

284 Win
7 STW
8 Rem mag

All the Newton cartridges

6mm Remington

260

280

325wsm



I gotta add a 257 Roberts to my list.

If I could ever figure out what gun to build one on that would suit my needs it might just be my first custom.

Yes

Yes

Yes +

.236 Remington
9x57

Very well said.



Mine shoots mild recoil reduced load 110 Sierra's for year 'round shooting!

Bob

375 Weatherby
9,3X62
9,3X74R
8X57...JS,JR,JRS
358 Norma Mag
308 Norma Mag
300 H&H

The 375 Wby with 260-270gr bullets has the same trajectory as a 180gr 30-06 and hits like a BIG hammer. In a pinch it can use 375 H&H ammo. If I could have only one, this is it.

Another vote for the .260 rem

Bob:

250-3000 savage. A more than adequate cartridge which was over run by the 257 roberts and 25-06.

When I read the thread title I immediately thought of the 284 win and the 260 rem. I'm pleasantly surprised to see so many votes.

Huh? Might want to read up on that. The .250-3000 was nearly extinct when the .25-06 was standardized in 1969. It also held its own, saleswise, against the .257 Roberts until the 6mms showed up in the '50s.

The 6.5x55 Swede. Great little round. Maybe one of the few inherently accurate rounds.

Here's another vote for the .284. The rest of my list are Remington offerings that didn't get the public's nod like the 5mm rimfire, 6mm Rem, 8mm Rem Mag and the .350 Rem.

.260 Remington & .358 Winchester. I could substitute the 6.5-06 and .338-06 cartridges as better all 'rounders.

One that has been overlooked even in this thread is the .220 Swift........does what it was designed to do better than any round ever sold.

458 Win Mag: The M16 of the cartridge world.

I'll second the 8mm Remington Magnum. It is probably one of the most under appreciated cartridges I know of for Western hunting. Fast and hits like a ton of bricks with reasonable recoil. I wish i had never sold mine.

+1 on that Rick. There are many pretenders, only one Swift. I would never part with mine.

.221 Remington
.244/6mm Remington
.25 Remington SAUM (shoulda been made up)
.260 Remington
6.5 Remington Magnum
8mm Remington

.300 Savage

.284 Win.
.307 Win.
.356 Win.
.358 Win.

7-30 Waters

All 4 of the Savage cartridges
22 Savage High Power (should have been .224 instead of .227 dia )
250 Savage
303 Savage
300 Savage

and a couple of handgun cartridges

38 Super Auto
41 magnum

Add the 10mm Auto to the list of handgun cartridges.

coulda, shoulda, woulda....

what was, was.. what is, is... what will be, we shall see.....

many of the cartridges listed here had their day... marketed right, chambered in fine weapons... nothing is forever in this life.....

there is no scarcity of suitable chamberings in weapons intended for any purpose imaginable.... these are the good old days...
CAD/CNC design build operations allow us to have any custom option that we wish for at prices that any dedicated shooter/hunter can afford.....

the factory offerings today boggle the minds of most, and meet the needs of all..... john w

.257 Roberts, 7x57, and .300H&H are all underloaded in factory rounds. I would like to see the .334 OKH, a .338 based on the .375H&H case. The .340 Weatherby is a great cartridge but without the freebore factory rounds are way too hot and published load data doesnt apply, so you are on your own if you build one.

222 Rem.
6mm Rem.
7mm Mauser
257 Roberts
284 Win.
300 H&H
358 Norma
416 Rem.

AD

Two that come to mind are:

.280 Rem.
7-30 Waters. The Waters was a very good lever-gun deer cartridge that also worked well in TC Contenders.

303 Savage
264 Winchester Mag
358 Winchester

...284 Win....6mm Rem.....6.5X55 (in the US.)...280 Rem.(not so overlooked anymore)....260 Rem...8X57 Mauser...8mm Rem.Mag...

16 gauge

Ditto on the 16 ga.

Add to the list:
10 mm Auto
.300 H&H
.375 H&H - It has been treated well but I think it deserves better. It ought to rank right up there with the .30/06!!

280 Rem

Cartridges that deserved better:

.35 Whelen (as a factory cartridge)
.358 Win
.280 Remington
6.5x55
.257 Roberts
6mm Remington

I wonder how well the .280 and the 6mm "would have done" if Remington's marketing dept. had been on the ball from the get-go?

If the 280 was around 50 or so ealier the 270 wouldn't even exist.

The 6mmRem. Superior to the .243 but not even close in popularity - go figger.

The 280 & 284 both good but almost pointless as there are just too many 270s, 06s and 7mm Mags out there.

And if Angelia Jolie was gay, I would not look at her . . . .

Neither point, really is a point.

BMT

Liar! Besides, I think she swings both ways...

450 Marlin
480 Ruger

OK so the scenario is Angelina Jolie and her gilrfriend?

Are we on a deserted Island?

AM I forced to repopulate the planet?

Can her friend cook? . . . . .

BMT

Many of my choices have plenty of votes already.

.358 Winchester
.350 Remington Magnum
6.5 Remington Magnum
.250 Savage
.358 Norma Magnum
7X57
.257 Roberts

I doubt it. The 7x64mm showed up in 1917 and the .270 WCF in 1925. It depends on how and by whom the round is marketed.

257 Roberts
280 Remington
358 Winchester
375 Taylor

257 Roberts... I'm building a custom one on a VZ 24 in Ackely Improved 40 degree right now... about a month away from shooting it!! WHEW HA! It won't be underappreciated by ME or my boys, or their boys...

35 Whelen
338'06 A Square

As was already mentioned the near identical twin to the 280 came out in 1917 several years before the 270. I do think the round that probably forced Winchester to manufacture a "new" caliber size, the 277, on an 06 sized case deserved better though. The one I refer to came out in 1913 and is better known as the 256 Newton. It was way ahead of its time.

Other rounds I would include that deserved better, especially in the U.S., already mentioned are the 6.5X55, 7X57, 300 H&H and the 358 Winchester.

5mm Rimfire Everyone seems to like the 17HMR
222 Rem. Magnum
6mm Rem.
257 BYOB
6.5/06 Any mfg.? Please
308 Norma
8mm. Rem. Mag
35 Whelen
358 Norma
45 Colt

260 Remington
280 "

256 Newton
30 Newton
35 Newton

True North American Cartridges.

Way ahead of their time and the complete package. Case design is far superior to the British belts of which we have today.

I think this one wins the prize for most obscure. (Does that make it the most deserving of better?)

Was it ever chambered in anything other than a rolling block?

--Bob

.260 in factory loads. Beats me why Hornady doesn't load the 129gr IL in it as well as in the 6.5x55. That'd be the best factory loads around for either. Another good option would be Nosler factories in the 130 AB for each.

.300 H&H. The factories only offer this in limited choices, but you put a 200grn Partition in one doing 2880, this is a fantastic cartridge.

I have not read all the thread, and maybe someone already mentioned my pick, the .250/3000 Savage.

The modern 45-70.

Jayco

my beloved Lil Death .260
i think it was Phillps&Rogers made a revolver that would shoot any .355/7 cartridge from .380 to .357 that woulda been sweet!
Marlin's big .450 seems like so much more sadly it's going against Traditonal freaks,but if you use one in a 3 gun Ipsc match you WILL scare da pants off the racegun crowd and their lil teeny tiny AR's.

I crack upover the "revisionist history" buffs who are fond of postulating that the 270 Winchester would not have lasted 18 days if the 280 had preceeded it;as one astute poster notes, the 280 DID come first in the 7x64.

The 280 has been around since the late 50's(?). It has had every opportunity in the world to run neck and neck with the 270 and has not from a sales/popularity contest. When the 7 RemMag came out in 1962, it washed the 280(good as it is)under the rug, but the 270 just trucked along as it continues to today and the 7 mag barely dented the 270'w popularity.In its class, lots of cartridges conjured up by overly active imaginations try to thwart it from top ranking, but can barely stay close enough to eat its dust...If the 280 were truly better than the 270, it would have shown it; it isn't. What one does the other does; they are both great, but they are the same...

I love 270 vs 280 arguments........

I Vote the 25-08.

I know it doesn't exsist commercially; there in lies the point.
We have the .260Rem (wich is a fine cartridge) but Americans have never been syched about the 6.5 bore. Personally I think the 6.5-06 makes more sense anyway. But Americans do have a long history with the Quarter bore, but no manufacturer sees the merit of the 25-08??? Makes no sense to me.

Let see; short action, 22 in barrel, fires 100gr projectiles over 3000+ fps, and 115gr about 2900+fps. Accurate, not much recoil, good flat trajectory, bullets have high sectional densities, Good bullet selections available. Sounds like deer rifle of the year to me!

Anything that deals with .264/6.5...

American's in general have just failed to see what the 264/6.5 offers and therefore many good rounds just fall to the wayside and die...

I would have to vote for the 6mm Remington in a rifle, the .41 magnum in a handgun, and the 16 gauge in a shotgun.

I seem to be a foster home for several neglected and orphaned cartridges. I love them all! Included are:

22 Hornet
220 Swift
260 Remington
300 Savage
358 Winchester.

They all have solid places in our lives and fulfill a need. You too should adopt a homeless cartridge!

I definitely agree with ..... the .358 Win
.41 Mag
16 Ga

but also the 10 Ga
10mm
.41 AE
.45 Colt - with higher standard pressure loads as the norm
.41 Special
.32 H&R

.22 PPC
.22 BR

6mm PPC
6mm BR

6.5 BR
7mm BR

.250 Sav
.257 Rbts
.25-08 Souper - needs to be commercialized!

standard .280 Rem

.30-40 Krag

7.65 Arg

8mm RM
.358 NM
.30/.338 (.308 NM)

I also agree with those who have mentioned the .375 Win
modern .45/70
.376 Steyr
9.3X62
.350 RM

and especially the .338 OKH ('06)! The .338/06 would get my nod if I could persuade Winchester, Remington, Federal and other big names to produce commercial loadings, along with manufacturers making it a standard chambering.

I have to add ..... I'm surprised the .357 Maximum hasn't been picked up in rifles or carbines

..... and that the 6.5/.284 hasn't been commercialized .....

If I had to pick ONE cartridge that deserved a better fate than it's had - it would be the .284 Winchester.

So superbly designed, so ahead of its time, and now - wildcatted so frequently.

D2D,

+1. Five of the last six have been 6.5's. Most folks just don't know what they're missin'.

Best Regards

Another one for 6mm Remington. I am gonna build one.

8mm rem mag is my first pick. Gonna have one soon.
257 roberts- the origanal dual purpose cartridge.
284 win.the first short fat round.
264 win. what's not to love.
300 weatherby, has to be in the top 3 of all time classics.
325 wsm !!...whhaaaaaat I think its great.

You're forgetting a couple of things. The 6.5mm-06 already had its one in the sun as the .256 Newton. A great caliber, but never marketed by any of the major manufacturers.

Yes, the "quarter bore" has enjoyed some popularity in the U.S. with things like the .25-35, .250-3000, .257 Roberts, .25-06, and .257 Weatherby. (And I suppose the .25-20 -- if that's worth mentioning.) But the honeymoon was pretty well over for the first three of those listed when the 6mms showed up in the '50s. The .25-06 has managed to develop a more widespread following, with very nearly every major manufacturer offering a couple of selections -- including lefties.

I think sometimes it's just matter of luck and timming, and trying to catch the shooting public's immagination. The .270 win is a fine round, I have used it a lot. And it probably deserves it place in the pecking order, but having Jack O'Conor writing about using it on most ever deer and elk in 60's, definately helped make it popular, not to mention it had what the public wanted at the time, flat trajectory, resonable recoil in a gun of resonable weight and barrel length, and once the gunmakers flooded the market with plentiful guns and ammo for it, how could it fail, not to mention it did have a catchy name.

The 358 Win is a fine round, but the paper balistics just didn't catch the public's imagination, the gunmakers didn't embrace it, the gunwriters said it kicked too much and was best suited as a short range wood's cartridge. On top of that, how could it get popular, when even finding a factory rifle for it, or a box of factory ammo at the store was like panning for gold in a farm pond.

I think the .280 really didn't make it, because it's too close to the .270 Win, and generally the public though "Why Bother with it", if a .270 won't get the job done, you need a 7mm mag. That is why I personally never got excited about the .280 Remington. And if you don't want a 7mm Mag, the old 30-06 is just as good as it ever was, and ammo is always easy to find and resonably priced.

And the 350 Remington Mag, well what can I say, it's has become one of my favorites, but unless he was a gun crank, the average joe has probably never even held a loaded round in his hand, much less actually fired a rifle in that caliber. But it was a cartridge ahead of it's time, and the lack of rifle choices available for it, didn't help, not to mention the gunwriters and the gundealers all said it would knock you shoulder out of joint when you fired it. But on second thought, most average joes didn't need a 350mag, a 30-06 was plenty good enough.

I think that is 90% of your reason right there. The 270 made it first and was well timed. Once a cartridge is mainstream, it is more than 2x difficult for another caliber/cartridge near it to make marketshare. It's not just the public, it's the manufacturers are loathe to risk tooling up and investing in inventory. Kind of the chicken or the egg thing. And who can hardly blame the manufacturers for not wanting to risk it. We consumers are a fickle lot.

My picks for neglected cartridges, not in any particular order:

.260 Rem (efficient performer that is superior to the .243 for deer sized game)
.280 Rem and/or .284 Win
.358 Win (.35 cal in general gets short shrift)
.35 Whelen
.350 Rem Mag
.358 Norma Mag
.348 Win (OK, I am really lamenting the loss of production for the mod 71 here, a levergun which just oozes testosterone and craftsmanship )

I have to go along with the 358 Win.
Some time ago I acquired a Ruger Frontier in 358, and initially I was pleasantly suprised when it made sub-moa groups with 200 and 225 gr. loads out of its stubbly 16 1/2" barrel.
Even more satisfying was the big mulie it dropped with one round at 220 yds. on a cold, snowy day three weeks ago.

.25-20 Win.
.250 Savage
7mm Mauser
.338-06 A-Square
.35/.30-30 Win.

I also am a foster dad for poorly treated cartridges.

In my gun cabinet and candidates for badly accepted gems.

6mm Remington....a bit more flexible than the also good .243.

6.5 Rem Mag... a .264 bullet is so thin that it takes up very little powder space when loaded deep...so get over it!!!! I love it and have two rifles so chambered. Also picked up nearly 1000 rounds of factory ammo in Arctic Canada at 5-10.00/box.

284 Win. Again a 284 bullet doesn't take up that much powder space! Keep it in a short action and with 150 grain Nosler partitions you have genuine 270 performance in a shorty. What's not to love?

.308 Win...well accepted but so great it should be praised even more!

The 307W in a WIN 94 should have been a hit out of the park. What happened?
I don't have one but should!

350 Rem Mag. Bullets are fat enough to actually take up powder space but you still get 35 Whelan performance with 250 grainers and marginally better with light bullets. Lovely..acts like a bigger version of 308. Love it.

358 Norma. Again I have two. Great balance between trajectory, power and recoil.
A smidge better than the 338 and on the heels of the 375 in a more compact form.
200 grains at 3200 for caribou, 225 at 3000 for nearly anything and 250 Nosler Parts at 2800 for around the planet. I like the 300 Barnes Original at 2600 for a dinosaur load!

375 Big Bore. Don't have one. Like The concept.

450 Marlin. Acts like a 45-70 in a trimmer package. Cool. Mine is sub MOA in a Marlin!

And the winner to me is,,,,,,284, clever concept and ahead of it's time. All the power and trajectory for 99% of hunting and hunters in Canada.

What? No votes for the 225Win?

My Sierra manual introduces it something like this:
"If ever there was a cartridge introduced in the wrong rifle, at the wrong time, for the wrong reasons it was the .225 Winchester.

Absolutely agree,the 284 is a brilliant cartridge as is the 280 which also got hung out to dry.I honestly think it's Uncle Sams reluctance to use anything metric,why did the 8mm rem mag fail?I'm still amazed the 7mm mag did so well in the American market because of this reason.But don't get me wrong,i still think the 30-06 is the best sporting round ever developed,no argument.

And what a shame that they introduced the 14/114 line of classic rifles a few years ago but do not chamber any of them for their own classic cartridges! (I am aware that the present day ownership had nothing to do with the development of the Savage cartridges). It was explained to me that they feared a backlash from the 'average Joe' customer who might buy a rifle and then complain to all his buddies when he can't find ammo for it at his local discount store. I understand that business decision, and I know the .308Win is a slightly "better" cartridge, but damnit, if I'm buying a Savage American Classic rifle, I want it chambered for a classic SAVAGE round.

.356 Win.,a real increase in power for the traditional lever carbines, but wasn't promoted well and was damned with faint praise.

6.5x54mm Mannlicher Schoenaur.

Made for a 5-pound rifle with a 18" barrel and twist for shooting a 160 grain round-nosed bullet at about 2200 fps.

Fantastic penetration for the early part of the 20th century and killed all out of proportion to its ballistics. W.D.M. Bell received his rifle and cartridges one morning and spent the afternoon shooting 8 African elephants. Because the cartridges were not crimped, and one bullet stuck in the rifling, after that he only used it on smaller game like Lion and Cape Buffalo.

How about doing something about this and actually buying some of these cartridges that deserve better before they are gone. There seems to be a lot of respect for the 260 Rem, 280 Rem, 35 Whelen and 350 Rem Mag listed by many on this thread. All the above are available in factory guns right now and many of these and other cartridges listed make a lot more sense than the new stuff Hornady is trying to push on us.

I currently own a pistol grip BLR in .358W I bought new from Cabelas. I also have a Rem 7600 I bought used in 35 Whelen. Remington stopped chambering the 7600 for the 35 Whelen in 1996, so buying new is not an option. None of these other rounds are chambered in LH friendly packages, so it's a custom proposition anyway you look at it. While some of these cartridges are not mainstream, they seem to be just keeping the nose above water. I've toyed with getting a LH Remington in .243 and rebarreling for .260, but Remington is so darn proud of them to start with, it's just not even close to economical to do it. There aren't a lot of LH short actions floating around to pick up either new or used on the racks. So it means a special order, and the clerk will want MSRP or close to it. Just not willing to pay MSRP rifle price for a donor action (I don't really care for Rems CDL stock -- dang cheekpiece).

I'm still glad Hornady is willing to take a chance and try new things.

Tikka lists their T3 in 260 rem I plan on getting one in left hand stainless. I wondered about having a short action round in a long action but after looking carefully at a short action T3 there isn't anything to complain about IMO. I had a pump 35 Whelen when they first came out but I couldn't get used to it especialy trying to use the safety left handed so I went with a custom bolt action. As a lefty how do you handle the safety on your 7600?

Handled a Tikka for the first time just yesterday. Not my cup of tea. Savage would be a better route for me but I haven't warmed up to them either ... maybe.

Awkwardly . I didn't catch your question in my first reply. I keep my RH on the foregrip and curl my LH trigger finger under and around the trigger guard to put in firing mode. Putting it in safe mode is much simpler without any curling. Actually, I'm wondering if it's possible to reverse the button. I might look into that. I do the same operation with my Winchester 88 (.308W), but it's a further reach than the Rem 7600. I haven't had much time with that 7600. Incidentally, I'm right-handed, left eye dominant.

The 7.65X53 Argentine. It is the middle cartridge pictured between a .308 and a .30-06 and falls ballistically between the two, and is closer to the '06.

225 Winchester

On the 7600 the safety should be reversable, just like on the Remington 1100's. It should be pretty easy to do. I have not owned a 7600 but I had a 760 Gamemaster converted to lefthand safety, However, I did replace the safety with a larger button safety. I also purchased a used 1100 trap gun, this year, and I just swapped the OEM safety around and put it back in and it works fine.

I don't have the 760 Gamemaster anymore, but on an 1100 shotgun, all you have to do is drive the two pins out that hold the trigger housing, take the trigger group out of the bottom, and you will see a small pin that holds a spring and plunger above the safety, being careful, take that pin and plunger out, It seems like there was small ball bearing in there also, take all of that out and the safety will slide out. Reverse it, put it back in and replace everything where it belongs. It should work.

There sure is a lot to choose from, and I can't say anything bad about the rest. I think for me the right answer is to pick a few and stick with them. A few inches of trajectory here or there can can become second nature when you use the same rounds with plenty of practice. The rifles that my dad liked, and started me out on are the sizes I've stuck with all these years;
250-3000 Savage
300 Savage
30-06 Springfield.

They're classics, and though I don't know the exact numbers, I'll bet these three have killed more game than all the rest combined.
.270 would be in there too I'll bet, but with a favorite on each side of it, I just never felt the need to buy one.

Thought I would add this.

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I'm not sure how much more attention this cartridge "deserved", or even how much it got, but I can say I have a hankerin' for a 25-35. Maybe we can "improve" it to coax more performance from it than the original. I would like to load it with a 120 grain bullet. I once found a Remington model 8 chambered in 25-35 caliber. Regretably, I let it get away. A lightweight variation of the Savage 99 would also be a nice platform for this caliber.

Another unpopular one that piques my interest is the 7-30 Waters.

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Don't think so. You saw a .25 Remington -- a rimless version of the .25-35, which was chambered in the Remington Models 8 and 14 -- but not the .25-35.

1. .264 Win Mag-executed without a trial. I know a guy that still has his 58 Westerner with the original barrel and it still shoots great. I could write a book on this one. At least someone at Remington has the guts to bring out 3 new models in it.

2. .416 Taylor. It quickly became a favorite of some pretty big names including Mr. Ruger. Duplicates .416 Rigby performance in a super efficient package.

3. .41 Magnum. Every one I have ever seen is accurate and easy to load for. Kills critters just fine.

4. 7X57. JO thought enough of it to finish his hunting career using a 7X57. He even said he saw more animals dropped in their tracks with it than any other cartridge.

5. .257 Roberts. Simply a classic cartridge that gets it done.

6. .358 Winchester. Chatfield Taylor used it extensively for timber elk.

7. .450 Marlin. Never reached the popularity it should have because it lives in the shadow of the .45-70. Very accurate and efficient cartridge.

8. .225 Winchester. Accurate and fast.

9. .38 S&W. You just can't imagine how much fun it is to watch the bullets fly through the air. I have a model 2 in shootable condition.

10. B29- we should all have one.

reflex264

You are incorrect.

As I said before, the model 8 in question was clearly marked "25-35."

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You are both sorta right. The 25 Remington was once labeled 25-35 Remington. The Winchester cartridge will not work in a Model 8.

http://www.angelfire.com/realm/cruffler/Pages/remington_model_8.htm

http://www.gunsamerica.com/97695870...ington_Model_8_in_25_35_Remington_25.htm

http://www.remington.com/library/history/firearm_models/centerfire/model_8.asp

Bruce

No, I'm not wrong.

The rifle was marked 25-35. Of that I am positive. And I can piss farther than all y'all.

Does anyone know if the Savage 99 was ever chambered in 25-35?

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Except the rifle was not chambered in .25-35 WCF as your original post inferred. And yes, the Model 99 Savage was chambered in the .25-35 WCF -- not the .25 Remington -- prior to WWII.

Hmm. An interesting cartridge, for sure, and worth doing some research on.

.308 Winchester... just read some of the thoughts on this forum

You know, in a lot of ways, I think the .308 just might deserve better, even though it is a pretty popular round anyway. It's almost a perfect blend of killing power, trajectory, preceived recoil and has been chambered in just about everthing from single shots to heavy boltaction varmiters.

I never got excited by the .308, even though I grew up, watching my grandfather swear by an old Winchester 100 semi-auto in .308, but I was sold on the .270 back then. Then finally, I decided to give a Browning BLR (steel frame)a chance, and back then, the .308 seemed about the best choice. And over the last 15yrs or so it has become my most used rifle with 180gr silvertips on everything.

I chose the BLR because I liked Leveractions, better then bolt guns, the caliber .308 was what was available. But after a while it dawned on me, that the .308 seemed to hit deer harder then the .270 did, and kicked less, and was less noisey, and shot nearly as flat. What was not to like, coupled with a handy and compact leveraction, I have seldom needed anything else.

I still experiment with other calibers and guns, but only because I get bored with the familiar. But out of maybe fifty centerfire rifles I have owned and fooled around with the little BLR in .308 outshines then all for a sweet handling, no bullcrap, get her done rifle/caliber combo.

Reflex264, numbers 1 and 5 were at the top of my short list...

I agree. There's hardly a finer long-range cartridge anywhere.

Heh....New from Savage in 2008:

Savage celebrates the 50th anniversary of the Model 110 with a special edition of 1,000 rifles. The Savage Model 110 50th Anniversary is a classic-styled short action chambered in .300 Savage. The rifle has a high-grade floorplate with 24 kt gold plating and etched block scroll pattern: �50th ANNIVERSARY � 1958-2008 � 1 of (1,000).� It has 24 kt gold-plated, double-barrel bands, a 24 kt gold-plated trigger and semi-fancy American walnut stock.

I own a Winchester 284 caliber rifle. Others in this thread have already touted the positive attributes of this cartridge.

However, the cartridge that I wish for is the 13mm Gyrojet ( http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20americaine/a%20gyrojet%20gb.htm ) because it has neither noise nor recoil.