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Many of my choices have plenty of votes already.
.358 Winchester .350 Remington Magnum 6.5 Remington Magnum .250 Savage .358 Norma Magnum 7X57 .257 Roberts
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If the 280 was around 50 or so ealier the 270 wouldn't even exist. I doubt it. The 7x64mm showed up in 1917 and the .270 WCF in 1925. It depends on how and by whom the round is marketed.
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257 Roberts 280 Remington 358 Winchester 375 Taylor
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257 Roberts... I'm building a custom one on a VZ 24 in Ackely Improved 40 degree right now... about a month away from shooting it!! WHEW HA! It won't be underappreciated by ME or my boys, or their boys...
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If the 280 was around 50 or so ealier the 270 wouldn't even exist. I doubt it. The 7x64mm showed up in 1917 and the .270 WCF in 1925. It depends on how and by whom the round is marketed. As was already mentioned the near identical twin to the 280 came out in 1917 several years before the 270. I do think the round that probably forced Winchester to manufacture a "new" caliber size, the 277, on an 06 sized case deserved better though. The one I refer to came out in 1913 and is better known as the 256 Newton. It was way ahead of its time. Other rounds I would include that deserved better, especially in the U.S., already mentioned are the 6.5X55, 7X57, 300 H&H and the 358 Winchester.
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5mm Rimfire Everyone seems to like the 17HMR 222 Rem. Magnum 6mm Rem. 257 BYOB 6.5/06 Any mfg.? Please 308 Norma 8mm. Rem. Mag 35 Whelen 358 Norma 45 Colt
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256 Newton 30 Newton 35 Newton
True North American Cartridges.
Way ahead of their time and the complete package. Case design is far superior to the British belts of which we have today.
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I think this one wins the prize for most obscure. (Does that make it the most deserving of better?) Was it ever chambered in anything other than a rolling block? --Bob
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.260 in factory loads. Beats me why Hornady doesn't load the 129gr IL in it as well as in the 6.5x55. That'd be the best factory loads around for either. Another good option would be Nosler factories in the 130 AB for each.
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.300 H&H. The factories only offer this in limited choices, but you put a 200grn Partition in one doing 2880, this is a fantastic cartridge.
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I have not read all the thread, and maybe someone already mentioned my pick, the .250/3000 Savage.
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my beloved Lil Death .260 i think it was Phillps&Rogers made a revolver that would shoot any .355/7 cartridge from .380 to .357 that woulda been sweet! Marlin's big .450 seems like so much more sadly it's going against Traditonal freaks,but if you use one in a 3 gun Ipsc match you WILL scare da pants off the racegun crowd and their lil teeny tiny AR's.
Bangflop! another skinning job due to .260 and proper shot placement.
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I crack upover the "revisionist history" buffs who are fond of postulating that the 270 Winchester would not have lasted 18 days if the 280 had preceeded it;as one astute poster notes, the 280 DID come first in the 7x64. The 280 has been around since the late 50's(?). It has had every opportunity in the world to run neck and neck with the 270 and has not from a sales/popularity contest. When the 7 RemMag came out in 1962, it washed the 280(good as it is)under the rug, but the 270 just trucked along as it continues to today and the 7 mag barely dented the 270'w popularity.In its class, lots of cartridges conjured up by overly active imaginations try to thwart it from top ranking, but can barely stay close enough to eat its dust...If the 280 were truly better than the 270, it would have shown it; it isn't. What one does the other does; they are both great, but they are the same... I love 270 vs 280 arguments........
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I Vote the 25-08. I know it doesn't exsist commercially; there in lies the point. We have the .260Rem (wich is a fine cartridge) but Americans have never been syched about the 6.5 bore. Personally I think the 6.5-06 makes more sense anyway. But Americans do have a long history with the Quarter bore, but no manufacturer sees the merit of the 25-08??? Makes no sense to me. Let see; short action, 22 in barrel, fires 100gr projectiles over 3000+ fps, and 115gr about 2900+fps. Accurate, not much recoil, good flat trajectory, bullets have high sectional densities, Good bullet selections available. Sounds like deer rifle of the year to me!
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Anything that deals with .264/6.5...
American's in general have just failed to see what the 264/6.5 offers and therefore many good rounds just fall to the wayside and die...
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I would have to vote for the 6mm Remington in a rifle, the .41 magnum in a handgun, and the 16 gauge in a shotgun.
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I seem to be a foster home for several neglected and orphaned cartridges. I love them all! Included are:
22 Hornet 220 Swift 260 Remington 300 Savage 358 Winchester.
They all have solid places in our lives and fulfill a need. You too should adopt a homeless cartridge!
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I definitely agree with ..... the .358 Win .41 Mag 16 Ga
but also the 10 Ga 10mm .41 AE .45 Colt - with higher standard pressure loads as the norm .41 Special .32 H&R
.22 PPC .22 BR
6mm PPC 6mm BR
6.5 BR 7mm BR
.250 Sav .257 Rbts .25-08 Souper - needs to be commercialized!
standard .280 Rem
.30-40 Krag
7.65 Arg
8mm RM .358 NM .30/.338 (.308 NM)
I also agree with those who have mentioned the .375 Win modern .45/70 .376 Steyr 9.3X62 .350 RM
and especially the .338 OKH ('06)! The .338/06 would get my nod if I could persuade Winchester, Remington, Federal and other big names to produce commercial loadings, along with manufacturers making it a standard chambering.
I have to add ..... I'm surprised the .357 Maximum hasn't been picked up in rifles or carbines
..... and that the 6.5/.284 hasn't been commercialized .....
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