I've got a couple of the 12X MQUAD. They both have 43 Mils total elevation travel. Both are mounted on 45 moa bases, and have 33 mils useable, with a 100 yard zero.
Also have an older 16X Mildot/moa model. It has 108 moa total elevation travel.
That's exactly the info I am looking for. Thanks Shane.
I recently have been fiddling with a 10X mil/mil and am impressed.
I was hoping that the elevation range is consistent from scope to scope, and that the 16x versions have sufficient travel, using a 20 MOA base to take typical .300W LR loads beyond 1760, with a 100 yard zero.
My current scope, though excellent quality, does not have the travel required to have a 100 yard zero, and still reach that benchmark.
I was recently playing with the 308 at 1800 yards (215 Berger, 2600 fps). I was able to dial a dead on hold (22.8 mils) with 10 mils remaining in the erector, plus 10 mils on the reticle.
I'd guess you will have no problems with the flatter 300WinMag. 20 moa base will probably be fine, but it leaves a lot of 'down' in the erector.
I checked with Skylar @ SWFA on that same question. The reply I got was that each SWFA has AT LEAST 30 mil elevation. Some have considerably more as mentioned here.
I was recently playing with the 308 at 1800 yards (215 Berger, 2600 fps). I was able to dial a dead on hold (22.8 mils) with 10 mils remaining in the erector, plus 10 mils on the reticle.
I'd guess you will have no problems with the flatter 300WinMag. 20 moa base will probably be fine, but it leaves a lot of 'down' in the erector.
Shane
That's an amazing amount of travel. Good point on the base. I may have to get a new one. I've been thinking that the 16X SS may be the way to go.
Between the 16X and 12X, I prefer the 12X myself. Brighter, better resolution, bigger FOV, easier eyebox, more travel.
I shoot it well beyond 1000 a fair amount, The MQUAD reticle is fine enough to get 'er done.
If you would like to try out my 16X mildot/moa scope to get a feel for the 16X, I'd be happy to mail it to you. Of course the MQUAD version has a finer reticle than my old mildot. You could use it and either send it back later, or if you wanted to buy it, we could work that out too.
I have a 6X MOA version laying here that gives 9 full revolutions from bottom to top, @ 15 MOA per.
I think the last time I counted my 6X mil version I believe I counted 45 mils from bottom to top.
I drank heavily and made this video yesterday. I can't believe how technically proficient I am. I wish the shots at the 500 ram showed better and I wish you could hear them.
Anyway, really affirms my faith in the setup for hunting out to 500yds. Which is what I have it for.
To actually film it only took about 10 minutes. To put it together probably took 8 beers. To get it loaded to youtube took about 18 hours before I finally figured out how to do that right.
Between the 16X and 12X, I prefer the 12X myself. Brighter, better resolution, bigger FOV, easier eyebox, more travel.
I shoot it well beyond 1000 a fair amount, The MQUAD reticle is fine enough to get 'er done.
If you would like to try out my 16X mildot/moa scope to get a feel for the 16X, I'd be happy to mail it to you. Of course the MQUAD version has a finer reticle than my old mildot. You could use it and either send it back later, or if you wanted to buy it, we could work that out too.
Shane
I appreciate the offer. I will look at the 12x as a possible alternative. I really like the MQ reticle. It is certainly much more precise, as compared to standard MD reticles.
I checked with Skylar @ SWFA on that same question. The reply I got was that each SWFA has AT LEAST 30 mil elevation. Some have considerably more as mentioned here.
Interesting. My 3-9x MD only has a total of 23.5 Mil of ele...
There's a DIY zero-stop that is super easy. It consists of hose gaskets and thin washers placed in the top inside of the turret cap.
With my 45 moa bases,I just put one hose gasket in there, and my turret bottoms out about 3 mils below zero. I could shim another thin washer in there to get closer, but as it is I can spin it to the bottom and return up 3 mils to the first zero.
Mackay, there is a dude on snipershide that sells a delrin zero stop kit.
It has 3,2,1,1/2 and 1/4 turn shims. Essentially you zero the scope, count revolutions until it bottoms out, put it back to zero, pull the turret and use the right combo of shims. Right around $20 shipped last i knew.
I was recently playing with the 308 at 1800 yards (215 Berger, 2600 fps). I was able to dial a dead on hold (22.8 mils) with 10 mils remaining in the erector, plus 10 mils on the reticle.
I'd guess you will have no problems with the flatter 300WinMag. 20 moa base will probably be fine, but it leaves a lot of 'down' in the erector.
Shane
how fast do you have to twist a barrel to get those 215's flying straight?
I was recently playing with the 308 at 1800 yards (215 Berger, 2600 fps). I was able to dial a dead on hold (22.8 mils) with 10 mils remaining in the erector, plus 10 mils on the reticle.
I'd guess you will have no problems with the flatter 300WinMag. 20 moa base will probably be fine, but it leaves a lot of 'down' in the erector.
Shane
how fast do you have to twist a barrel to get those 215's flying straight?
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1/10 is recommended by Berger.
Surprisingly, I'm getting accuracy from a 1/12 Rem varmint 308 barrel.
I was recently playing with the 308 at 1800 yards (215 Berger, 2600 fps). I was able to dial a dead on hold (22.8 mils) with 10 mils remaining in the erector, plus 10 mils on the reticle.
I'd guess you will have no problems with the flatter 300WinMag. 20 moa base will probably be fine, but it leaves a lot of 'down' in the erector.
Shane
MM, would be so kind to share the load that you are using to achieve 2600fps with a 308 and 215 Berger. What is your barrel length. I know I will not be able to reach this but maybe squeeze 2500 out of mine.
Just a quick question. Are the former Tasco Titans the predecessor to the Super Chickens? They sure have some similarities.
I believe they were commissioned to built to the desired specs at the plant that makes Tasco's and I don't recall seeing the Titan but wouldn't be surprised if they didn't re-use some previously designed items that fit the called for specs.
I was recently playing with the 308 at 1800 yards (215 Berger, 2600 fps). I was able to dial a dead on hold (22.8 mils) with 10 mils remaining in the erector, plus 10 mils on the reticle.
I'd guess you will have no problems with the flatter 300WinMag. 20 moa base will probably be fine, but it leaves a lot of 'down' in the erector.
Shane
MM, would be so kind to share the load that you are using to achieve 2600fps with a 308 and 215 Berger. What is your barrel length. I know I will not be able to reach this but maybe squeeze 2500 out of mine.
Hammer,
Here's the data, I linked back to a thread on the topic, so as not to take this thread too far off topic.
About 1-1.5 years ago I emailed SWFA, and they told me they had zero interest in exporting, due to complications they had in the past when they used to export.
About 1-1.5 years ago I emailed SWFA, and they told me they had zero interest in exporting, due to complications they had in the past when they used to export.
IIRC - wasn't the Chicken given a Navy inventory number or some such thing?
About 1-1.5 years ago I emailed SWFA, and they told me they had zero interest in exporting, due to complications they had in the past when they used to export.
About 1-1.5 years ago I emailed SWFA, and they told me they had zero interest in exporting, due to complications they had in the past when they used to export.
IIRC - wasn't the Chicken given a Navy inventory number or some such thing?
Wonder if ITAR has something to do with it.
The modern SWFA SS is a completely different product from the old Chicken that was considered for a military contract, so that wouldn't apply.
I did all the research and called all the US authorities, and there is nothing stopping SS scopes from leaving the US, except for SWFA's no-export policy...
About 1-1.5 years ago I emailed SWFA, and they told me they had zero interest in exporting, due to complications they had in the past when they used to export.
Yet another benefit to not being Canadian.
Travis
For the uninitiated, a quick perusal through this thread will show a couple of SWFA's in my stable, and I have opportunities to pick up others all the time. There are a bunch of them that were brought in before the ITAR crap became a big deal...
About 1-1.5 years ago I emailed SWFA, and they told me they had zero interest in exporting, due to complications they had in the past when they used to export.
Yet another benefit to not being Canadian.
Travis
For the uninitiated, a quick perusal through this thread will show a couple of SWFA's in my stable, and I have opportunities to pick up others all the time. There are a bunch of them that were brought in before the ITAR crap became a big deal...
So are you allowed to come down to the US and pick them up?
I am sure that many scopes, reloading supplies and such make it across the border via vehicle. I once knew a guy, an American, that lived in Calgary that did it all of the time. Well, that and linguica.
Wonder if a guy came down to Montana to shoot antelope and took his Montucky topped with a blister pack BSA scope with and then came back with a Chicken on top - would Dudley Do-Right even notice?
We've met Jordan at the Icebreaker, and gotten some trigger-time in. He's good people.
As I recall though, it was a fair amount of admin just to bring rifles back and forth across the border, and Jordan was flying slick, due to the time delays.
We've met Jordan at the Icebreaker, and gotten some trigger-time in. He's good people.
As I recall though, it was a fair amount of admin just to bring rifles back and forth across the border, and Jordan was flying slick, due to the time delays.
Thanks, Shane! You were kind enough to let me test drive your rifle, which I really appreciated, and we had some fun smacking that 1700 meter plate around with those 208's from your .308! Pat and I actually got the kinks worked out so I could bring some rifles with me this past April, but unfortunately I had to cancel my trip at the last minute due to some work troubles. Hopefully this coming spring will work out!
Wonder if a guy came down to Montana to shoot antelope and took his Montucky topped with a blister pack BSA scope with and then came back with a Chicken on top - would Dudley Do-Right even notice?
Any of you Canucks interested in a SS 10X with mil dots, contact me via pm. I have one with side focus I am willing to sell assuming you pay postage to the great white north. $275. This is the one they sell for $399.
Any of you Canucks interested in a SS 10X with mil dots, contact me via pm. I have one with side focus I am willing to sell assuming you pay postage to the great white north. $275. This is the one they sell for $399.
For you to do so you would be breaking U.S. law.. Just a hint..
Any of you Canucks interested in a SS 10X with mil dots, contact me via pm. I have one with side focus I am willing to sell assuming you pay postage to the great white north. $275. This is the one they sell for $399.
For you to do so you would be breaking U.S. law.. Just a hint..
I've been tempted to get some American friends send me a 6x or two, but just can't risk them getting in trouble just to send me a scope. Maybe one day I'll go down and buy a couple and either bring them back or send them to myself.
Any of you Canucks interested in a SS 10X with mil dots, contact me via pm. I have one with side focus I am willing to sell assuming you pay postage to the great white north. $275. This is the one they sell for $399.
For you to do so you would be breaking U.S. law.. Just a hint..
You Clueless Drooling Dumbfhuqks are a hoot!
GREAT time to cite any/all "laws" that preclude same,as per your Imagination and it's Pretend. Do not "forget" "particulars" and be sure to go for the throat. Laughing!
Any of you Canucks interested in a SS 10X with mil dots, contact me via pm. I have one with side focus I am willing to sell assuming you pay postage to the great white north. $275. This is the one they sell for $399.
For you to do so you would be breaking U.S. law.. Just a hint..
You Clueless Drooling Dumbfhuqks are a hoot!
GREAT time to cite any/all "laws" that preclude same,as per your Imagination and it's Pretend. Do not "forget" "particulars" and be sure to go for the throat. Laughing!
Who chews your food for you?!?
Fhuqking WOW +P+.....................
It is not illegal per se, but requires the appropriate export license with federal approval. Compliance with export regulations is subject to interpretation by the person considering the item or request. So, there is not always consistency in application, and different agencies and departments within the agency can have differing interpretations, resulting in conflicting applications of the regulations. For a starting point for consideration, and there are others,
15 C.F.R. § 774.2, OA987
0A987 Optical sighting devices for firearms (including shotguns controlled by 0A984); and “components” as follows (see List of Items Controlled). License Requirements Reason for Control: FC, CC, UN Control(s) Country Chart (See Supp. No. 1 to part 738) FC applies to optical sights for firearms, including shotguns described in ECCN 0A984, and related parts FC Column 1. CC applies to entire entry CC Column 1. UN applies to entire entry See § 746.1(b) for UN controls. List Based License Exceptions (See Part 740 for a description of all license exceptions) LVS: N/A GBS: N/A CIV: N/A List of Items Controlled Related Controls: N/A Related Definitions: N/A
Items:
a. Telescopic sights.
b. Holographic sights.
c. Reflex or “red dot” sights.
d. Reticle sights.
e. Other sighting devices that contain optical elements.
f. Laser pointing devices designed for use on firearms.
g. Lenses, other optical elements and adjustment mechanisms for articles in paragraphs a, b, c, d or e.
Also, it is worth noting SWFA's own statement on the subject: "SWFA, Inc. has decided to cease all international sales due to credit card fraud and the majority of the products SWFA, Inc. offers, being restricted and prohibited for export by the United States government."
I heard he gets them cheep and he might even own part of the company. The Campfires very own supper hero. It's a bird it's a plane no it's super stick. LOL.
My first SWFA showed up today. The 10x will be sitting on a defiance action, #4 contour brux chambered in 6mm creedmoor by the end of next week. I don't think it will be my last SWFA
I have a 6X MOA version laying here that gives 9 full revolutions from bottom to top, @ 15 MOA per.
I think the last time I counted my 6X mil version I believe I counted 45 mils from bottom to top.
I drank heavily and made this video yesterday. I can't believe how technically proficient I am. I wish the shots at the 500 ram showed better and I wish you could hear them.
Anyway, really affirms my faith in the setup for hunting out to 500yds. Which is what I have it for.
i think you a$$ shot that ram, it musta been in a ravine :-D
I chickened one and it was fun for about 5 minutes. 11# of 10/22 turned out to be pretty worthless.
So I stripped nekked and stole the 16" chunk off my kids 10/22, dropped it in a Houge, and picked up the almighty Redfield Battlezone Tacticool .22 (spent a whole $100) in LW's for schitsandgiggles. I think it lost 4#.
....and it's been a lot more giggles than schit.
I chickened a Hummer too and it was fun for 30 minutes. Getting pulled apart as we speak.
Rattled some bulk 36's at 330 (during Chicken mode). Dope was a tad off, but then again 22LR dope at 330 yards is about as useless as tits on a bull....
With the center of the reticle on the 6X I can "quarter" a 6" orange dot at 600 yards.
I am doing this on the fly right now and have not printed out a program for the loads and am fiddling since scope and rifle are brand new;and have not really established a "zero", but shot the 150 BT and 162 Amax this week at 300 yards. Windage perfect for both, with Amax slightly higher and both were 7-8" low at 300 yards.
I figured "3 mils should be about right" at 600 yards. Went to 600 yards, dialed in 3 mils of correction and put two shots into the bull at 600....bing bing.
Keep in mind....I don't know what I'm doing.Not exactly anyway.
I dialed back down 3 mils,and was going back to 300 to confirm,but before I could pack up, 5 deer showed on the line. I did not want to scare the poor things so didn't shoot again,but counted coup on them.
The optics are pretty darned good; focus nice and sharp,good color, contrast and brightness,eye relief is just fine.
Beretz on here got one the other day and shot it on his Mashburn. Told me the thing tracks like it's on rails.I agree.
The only "problem" is I have no where to shoot past 600 without driving for hours,so am only using a fraction of the scopes potential.
Not sure but don't know if it would help on my rifle. Scope height is about perfect as is. Stock is a Borden RR and comb is high, thick, and pretty straight.
Did you have to go with the reversible stuff? If I recall I had a set of DD's awhile back and the base hung over the chamber. Been a talley man ever since. Mighta had the wrong ones. Been awhile.
16: Nope this is a straight up standard DD base. No extension. The scope has enough tube length for back and forth wiggle,and the bolt handle clears nicely.
I did it with DD and medium 30's for less than just a Leup on my Montana.
Can't say I feel at any disadvantage by doing it that way - tho I'm betting the Leup would be lighter. Still - the rifle is still damned handy in the hands.
The 6x Super Chicken is working out great on my PSA Pa10. I got the zero stop kit and so far that has been working very well too. There are two of these SUper Chickens in my gunsafe right now and I’m sure there will be more in the future.
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