need to see stock blanks befor and after pics to see how well they turned out compaired to the blank. finished gun might look compleatly different. thanks in advance. D O M I T !

check my custom 30-06 threads on here. there are some pics from before and after on there

This is my Mexican wood.

This is after.



Butch

wow

Nice!

Here's what you need to find out. Is the blank quarter sawn or slab sawn? If it's quarter sawn what you see on the outside is pretty much what you'll see when it's turned. If it's a slab sawn you will probably have the same amount of figure as you see before it's turned but it may nor be in the same places.

I'll post some pics when I get home.

Great rifle Butch! I have got to go see it in person one day.

Terry

here are a few for ya.

Husqvarna .270WIN






M98 .338-06





[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/lucky/newstrattonmauser/websize/.338-06%20017.JPG[/img]
[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/lucky/newstrattonmauser/websize/.338-06%20032.JPG[/img]

Mini Mauser .223

[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/lucky/superstockblank/large/wood003.jpg[/img]


[img]http://photos.imageevent.com/lucky/shanethompsonminimauserpartii/websize/June09TC1016.jpg[/img]

These are quarter sawn blanks.

Terry

thanks guys!!!! the first one posted by terry sure came out lighter than when just wet down to show figure. the 338-06 is outstanding! i am having stock made very simuler with same forend treatment. keep the pics. coming, makes me warm and fuzzzzzze inside, hehe. D O M I T !

One thing you'll find out real quick when buying wood over the internet is most seller's photoshop the hell out of it. Some just warm up the hue a little and some go to the point of being dishonest!

Go to hunterbid and you'll notice that almost every piece of wood over there is either orange or red. HA! I knew that wouldn't be what I was gettin when I bought it. the grainflow is about perfect though.

Terry

Here is another.










Terry

ok what cal. and scope on the last 1. ? who did the work or are you the pro?

It's a 7X57 with a Zeiss/Jens 6X scope. The top two I built, but I'm not a proffesional. The little mini Mauser is being done by James Anderson. Shane Thompson did the metal work.

The bottom one was done at Paul Dressels. There is a guy there named Sandy (I can't remember his last name) that probably did most of the work but it's Pauls pattern and style.

Terry

Terry,

I do agree with you about Chiron's photos on their site. Every one of them is tinted heavily with a didgtial photo filter ,so they pretty much are an "artist's rendering" of what the blank will look like if is is drowned in Alkenet root stain for a month.LOL.

HONEST wood sellers don't alter the color of pics. Yeah, the crooks who sell most (if not all)of the Turkish wood here in the US do, but MOST US wood brokers do do that schit because they know they will get called on it. It's fraud, plan and simple.

I would have sent that blank from Chiron you put on that .270 Husky BACK to them.
Thats' bullshit. The overall color of the blank is NOTHING like the actual blank you got.

Frankly, I prefer California English because most of the folks selling it are a hell of a lot more honest than the folks peddling Turkish these days..

Jim, I understand where you're coming from but the layout is perfect. To me that's more important than color. It wasn't my 1st time around when I bought it and had a good idea of what it was going to look like before it ever got here. Yeah, it's mainly the Turkish sellers you here the most about.

I'm very pleased with the finished product.

Terry

Opening morning last year.

Last one. This one was done by Chic Worthing.

Before:



After:



Terry

Now that is real rifle porn!

I have several rifles with the tupperware stocks on them for hunting in our wet mountains. I also have some beautiful wood stocks. I have to say, however, that beautiful wood like those you have shown have it way over tupperware, Mickies, or whatever. I don't care how you paint the plastic, good wood certainly is more beautiful.

Rolly, for me hunting with a nice rifle has always increased the pleasure of the hunt. Some of those pictured are a bit over the top but I have enjoyed them.

Terry

They are beautiful pieces of wood.

Terry,

You really have some beautiful rifles! They are top shelf!!!

ddj

where do you find those blank ??
awesome..
and what do the cost ?

i want one..

Nice Stuff!
I'm busy checkering the grip panels on my 1911 and came here for some ideas about a project, as always, never let down when surfing photos.
Whew, nice!

Could expound a little more on quarter sawn or slab sawn. How are either one cut?

Been admiring Terry's rifles coming together for the past few years. They're always class. And Butch's Mexican 7x57 is a real beauty. Butch, did David Christman profile the half octagon barrel?

This is the only one I can find before and after pictures of










cheers,
- stu

Tim,

Here's a diagram I pulled off the net



Look at Terry's Husqvarna above and you'll see it really matches this 1/4 sawn profile.

If you search quarter sawn wood you'll get tons more information.


cheers,
- stu

Yes, what Stu posted is a good illustration. What happens as the the wood goes from the root to the trunk it turns outwards because the the tree is thicker at the base than the center.

Now look at Stu's "slab cut" picture and imagine, when you go from the tip of the blank to the butt the wood isn't going to be uniform because the grain in the tree is turning outwards because it's larger at the bottom and the growth are curved inside the blank. So, when the blank is turned what you see on the out side may not be on the inside where the finished stock is. This isn't always a bad thing but, you can't always look at a slab sawn blank and get an idea of what it's going to look like turned.

Here is the top view of a slab sawn piece of Turkish walnut. See how the grain is turning out out the wood as it goes down the blank? Like I said this isn't really a bad thing, but it's had to judge where the figure will fall when it's turned. We ca guess about where it'll be and how much because we can see all 4 sides. They aren't a mirror of the stock though.


Now for quarter sawn. Look how all the growth rings are uniforn. What you see on the outside of this blank is what it's going to look like on the inside when it's turned. This is because the grain is running the same direction as the blank. The down side for wood cutters and quarter sawn blanks is there is much waste and you don't get nearly as many as with a slab sawn tree. The plus side is these quarter sawn blanks are worth much more money.

Terry

I'm assuming you're talking about the bottom blank, right?

That one was outragous. They were asking $2800 for it and I got it for $2400 which is twice as much as I've ever paid for a blank in my life. It was a once in a lifetime thing though and that wood simply had to go on my rifle. I bought from Dressels and they let me stick it layaway for a LONG time.

You can get a stick of walnut that "to die for" much cheaper and I do mean MUCH cheaper but when you find one in that caliber be prepared to pay.

The one that went on the Mini Mauser was $1400 which is a lot better and a very nice stick of wood.

I paid $450 for the one for the Husky and really like it too.

Terry

Stu, that's a nice looking stock! What's it bolted to?

Terry

Ruger No.1




I posted a few more pics on AR here


cheers,
- stu

Oh my, ,,,,,That is sweet!

I remember seeing the metal work in the white but didn't know it was finished. I love it.

Terry

Pics of rifle have a little too much glare, but its all I have for now, as it is on the way to me from the GS. At the time, the cross bolts still needed coating & it needed to be checkered.

That is stunning. I love the color. I hope you have plans of checkering it.

Terry

+1 28LPI wrap around point pattern

Terry
Very nice stocks!

I am not seeing how the 223 mini-mauser could be quarter-sawn though... Those growth rings on the starboard side look flat-sawn.

The biggest "issue" with flat-sawn wood is the differences in movement between the tangential and radial planes when moisture content changes. It moves a lot more in the tangential and the difference sets up stresses. That issue is moot when dealing with good walnut, long-cured.

Chiron has a rep for sending out wood much wetter and newer than claimed and there is no way I would buy from them unless the blank was going to sit a very long time before cutting. Like a decade...

A point in defense of the best Turkish is something which is very difficult to catch in a photo. The best stuff has depth when finished that is amazing. It has been likened to looking into a well. I have seen many extremely high end California blanks and none has been close to a good Turkish blank for depth.

I have a couple blanks right now that are amazing... And a bunch of two-piecers.
art

All nice stocks...I have used a lot of Chirons wood and it comes the same color as their photos to me..Most of the time when finished it will be lighter, but a lot of that can be controled by the finish..If you mix a lot of Alkanet root with the finish it comes out blood red and very English..I also use Brownells dye that you can mix and btw you can dye a stock with that purple horse medicine (Jensen Violet) it is water like in consistency and is made from Walnut wood juice..Very nice color if you like dark and still not hide the grain. I have seen a couple of nice stocks with this treatment..Have not used it myself but only because I keep forgetting or use it up on my horses!!

I also buy most of my wood from Bill Dowtins Old World Walnut, it is Russian Circasian and Bill is apparantly a partner in the Mill in Tajikistan..You can get a very nice piece of walnut from Bill or Chiron for about $500 to $700.

I can't post pics here but I am just finishhing a .416 Rem with a piece of Chiron wood I bought at auction..Dennis Olson who says very little about anything was impressed with this peice of wood. It has turned out very nice..I took pictures of each step or almost each step of the stock building and finishing, the tools I use etc. If they turn out well I may do some kind of a write up on it..

Here is a pic of my Dad's "before and after"

Before


After







And a pic of my latest "before and after"

before





After

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/M1Tanker70/Finishedrifle1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/M1Tanker70/Finishedrifle5.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/M1Tanker70/HPIM0601.jpg[/img]

thanks everybody for chiming in!!!!!!! thought there might be a lot more but greatful for all the postings! D O M I T !

That is the best explanation/answer I've heard.
I actually get embarrassed when I take one out of the case and hear the "thats too nice, I'd be afraid to scratch it" etc. I get brain lock and just mumble its what I do, I'll be careful. Excellent answer without sounding pompous.

Just saw this thread. Now, I have to change my shirt, because I slobbered down the front of it. Beautiful rifles here Gun porn of the finest caliber.

Terry, that stock from Dressels is one of the nicest I have ever seen.

Apparently I screwed up and bought a sorry, crossgrained stock on this rifle. I guess when it gets here I'll have to find someone to stock it in black walnut.

Maybe someone will feel sorry for me and cut me a deal on a blank.

ss

sharpshooter, I've got a crappy old blank around here somewhere that I guess I could trade ya. Oh wait, that's a two piece. Well in that case, just send the whole gun and I'll send ya a blank so you can start over the right way...

mtnman, thank you very much, you are a life saver. Will you split the shipping with me? I wouldn't expect you to pay it all.

Actually, I can't wait to take delivery of this cute little girl. Just a 7 mauser, 7lbs. without the scope. My wife and I are going to take it mule deer hunting in west Texas to break it in.

Here is one of the neatest things on the rifle, I just love this long tang. I want to hunt with it using iron sights only. Should be a trim, quick rifle.

ss

There are some really nice stuff here and it is great to see that plastic hasn't completely killed off the people who appreciate mother natures handy work. A ray of hope!

However, beware, I also see a number of the stocks have crossbolts in them and you may be subject to ill comments from the crossbolt policeman.

Sharpshooter, all jokin' aside that's a beautiful rig and I'd love to have something even remotely close to that one. I'm working over an old Mauser with the help of a few folks, but I suspect it will never compare to most of the ones I see on here. Love the stainless synthetics for durability, but can't say I don't like the wood blued for "Style". That rig is just flat out spectacular.

Sharpshooter, that is a beautiful rifle! Absolutely stunning.

Just to set the record straight, I only tried to explain the difference between the two cuts. I obviously didn't do a very good job. I don't think I said one was better than the other or claim the mini Mauser stock was quarter sawn. James Anderson (JRGunmaker) is in the middle of building that stock and thinks it's a slight combination of both. The red stocked rifle is a definate slab sawn blank and that's the blank I posted a top picture of.

I only tried to explain to the original poster there would be a slight difference in what he saw from the outside to the inside of the blank once it was turned. This is much more common with slab sawn wood.

Now if we are talking about which I would prefer, I like the idea of using quarter sawn but have enough experience to know they both work just fine.

Now, if you still feel bad about your wood choice I'm sure I've got something in the safe I could trade you for that rifle :^) HA!

Terry

TC1, I apologize if you thought I was making a snotty comment to you about wood selection. Another poster on this thread has previously let me know that I got ripped off on this rifle because of the cross-grained wood. I admit that I didn't notice that it was cross-grained, so I guess I'll just take a loss on this rifle and have it re-stocked in some California walnut that has been approved by an expert. I suppose I am stupid to rely on the judgement of the man who stocked the thing.

Actually your wood description was helpful to me, and the stock on your rifle from Dressels is absolutely gorgeous. Sorry I was not more clear.


Mtnman, I appreciate the positive comments on this rifle. I can hardly wait for it to get here. And don't feel bad about building up a Mauser, I have a weakness for good Mausers; especially those with nice wood and well thought out design.

Please keep posting pictures and information, I'm learning from all of ya'll's projects.

Take care,
ss

By the way, here is a full side-on picture of this single shot. Sorry the picture is so small, it does not do it justice.

ss

416 Rigby

hubba hubba
yanno, the best thing about building such a firearm (from the standpoint of the builder) is the likely hood that piece of him, or her will be around 100 years from now admired by someone.

I had a mauser built probably by some guild type apprentice in europe around 1930ish. gorgeous. one of those hand filed big military round barrels to an octagon, solid ramps for the sights. engraved, simple thin style stalking design stock.
no name, no way to tell who did it. once we figured out the 8mm bore was not what we were told, it shot great, spot on at 50 meters, 100 meters and 150 meters to the hand filed fixed, 3 leaf site.
post away, post away.

Yes I agree!

But my name to my heritage is actually in my 4 clocks which I have built for my 4 G-kids. Each is very different and totally designed and built by me. They took me 6 years to build them all.

The guns are also but not as much as my clocks.

Oh yes one other point. Concerning the 416. I want to someday go to Africa and shoot a stringer of Cape Buffalo. To do this you need a big gun and lots of money. Well I have accomplished the first half.

LRF, you hand built clocks? Good God. If you get excited and energetic, repost those pictures of the single shots you built. I really enjoyed them.

CWG, I am not quite clear on your status as a stockmaker. I have noticed that you have changed your tag line. If you are doing stock work and are looking for more work, will you please email me some details at
amerine mech @ taylortel. net (remove spaces)?

Thanks,
josh

I know these are not guns but we are talking about my G-Kids here which are my greatest love!
Clock 1 Kayla the oldest

#2 Malachi's

#3 James

#4 Allison the youngest

LRF,

I'm of the opinion that the word "great" has become something it was never meant to be and contrary to its definition. People have become lazy with their use of the word, making it all too common, a fractional dilution of what it once was.

With that in mind, let me say that those clocks you�ve created are great, in the strictest sense of the word. Even greater is the gift that they represent. Truly valuable.

I like rifles as much as anyone in this community, but these are something entirely different.

Best regards,
Ian

LRF, those clocks are so very cool. Please continue to post your work for us.

ss

topic is to young to just go away, keep sending pics. how about rimfire pics or shotgun? good wood still outhere!

LRF, Kayla's clock with that open construction has really caught my eye. If it is convenient I know I would really like to see some pictures of the mechanism.

I'd also like to see some disassembled pictures of those single shots.

By the way, did you ever make a decision about adopting me?

I can burn the barrel off a single shot faster than anyone you ever knew. Seems like a good match.

j

These threads wow me.
Talent, talent, talent.