Somebody tell me if I am mistaken please.

See GB auction item: Auction # 284529392

The link is: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=284529392


This gun looks to be a modified barrel for a .410, with the wrong attachment method. Looking at the lower pics, I can even see marks where the barrel-band for the screw is supposed to be. Yet, the seller is representing this gun as being un-changed, and factory original. If I thought is was the real-deal, I would buy it even at this high price, but its just a 99 with a modified .410 barrel.

I welcome your input. Somebody is really going to buy an expensive con here, or am I wrong?

uh oh

those extra holes in the side of the frame really put a damper on calling it original... and considering Savage was not even making 410 barrels when that frame was built, its real hard to call this original... there is enough wrong things here to fill a bucket... I am simply blown away by the price.

I guess that is why you can always come here and ask if something is right or not. Never hurts to ask unless pride overides common sense.

As far as price. Apparantly, somebody thinks they found a vintage vase from the Ming Dynasty when actually it is a $1 flower vase from the last Valentines Day.

And here is the really odd issue with me. There are lots of bidders!

I read it as a uninformed seller. Photos show the problems and buyers have time to do their research before typing a number like 1600.00.

Edited to say that I agree with the original poster. The description does a good job of making it sound Wonderful. Buyer beware.

22 hun and the 15 minute rule keeps resetting as we have a bidding war ladies! "You gotta love it"!!!!!

The man bidding, could be one of us...you guys keep score of this [bleep]...but I will say, he means business when he wants a rifle!

That's an expensive boat anchor

I was bidding early on, before I got the blood clot, as I like the 410 barrel, on the forarm like that, was planning on useing it as a shooter,not sure who the other fellows are tho! I droped out about 900 tho!

wonder if the rotor was modified to hold 410 shells? or is it still a single shot. someone is going to fill his underware.

very unlikely to be more than a single shot.

This statement is a blatant error:

My guess is that someone made a .410 barrel by re-boring and shortening an 1899A rifle takedown barrel. How else would it have that barrel address? It certainly didn't start out life as an 1899H barrel. The wall thickness at the muzzle is too thick, methinks, to have been made from an H barrel. Nice gun, though refinished and w/extra holes. Would have been a neat curiosity, but at a fraction of what it sold for. Probably points and handles like a butt-heavy club though, not like one expects from a decent shotgun. But still...

My boy could be persuaded to part with his sporting clays gun for half that!!!

I asked this seller a lot of questions. He did not answer a single one. If there was a way to report him, I would have. The barrel even showed a mark where the screw-strap was originally fastened. Hard to understand how he can have good feedback with this behavior.

The folks that run GB don't give a flip about lousy sellers. I have lodged complaints in the past and been soundly ignored.

What do you suppose they were for anyway?

Scope mount

Slug gun.

VERY RARE!!!!!!!!!!!

Side mount, sort of like on a shotgun? Now that I look more closely at the full profile picture I can see it.

In it former life this gun was originally a take down H (most likely a 22 HP), that somebody put a scope on. It was after that that it was "reconverted" to a shotgun.

Judging what the gun went for.........I wouldn't be surprissed to see a few more of these "specials" show up on GB in the near future.

I might have one for sale if anyone is interested!!

its not a rebored rifle barrel it has the notch for the barrel clamp in front of the forearm that you tightened to hold it on.
the forearm takedown stud was added to a regular 410 barrel.

Gotcha. I didn't scroll down far enough (or those pics weren't there when I looked at it).

Looks like the cheeks were sanded as well

There are many greenhorns out there, a seller with almost 3K in feedback should be ashamed! To me it says he has at least 6,000 transactions. The buttplate looked honest?

I would not feel sorry fore someone with enough money to pay that much for a piece of junk. just a couple rich Dumbazzez showing off.

We don't know that the buyer wants anyone to feel sorry for him. I am just back from Las Vegas and although I don't gamble, it was easy to see people throwing away a lot more than this guy spent. Despite the problems this rifle has, I would rather have it over handing money over to a casino. It's all a matter of perspective

And that pretty much sums this whole game up!

I tried to tell the seller that it was not what he though it was but you know some of the people on gunbroker. You just can't tell them a damm thing

What he did seems to have worked well for him. He sold it at a very high price. Who knows, maybe the buyer will be thrilled as well

I want to comment but I need to hold my tongue,

I don't endorse what the seller did. He obviously received information correcting him and he ignored it. I have seen this type behavior among certain dealers and sellers for decades - long before the internet. I recall one gunshop I frequented. Back when there was Shotgun News and Gun List as the main way firearms were sold (from a distance). The dealer there had a vintage collectable firearm with the wrong sight but advertised it as all original. He sold it, they sent it back, he sold it again, it got sent back. This happened three or four times. A friend of mine asked him, "why don't you put in your ad that it has the wrong sight? He responded, "because eventually someone is going to buy it who doesn't know that's the wrong sight." This is not behavior I endorse. This particular dealer however had a long career and was successful. One thing he did do is honor inspection priviledges and would promptly refund money when someone sent something back. I suppose many buyers were happy to get their money returned promptly and that took the sting out of it. Anyway, "caveat emptor" - tons of money is made out there based on a lack of knowledge.

who is anyone on the internet to tell the seller what is right and wrong and what validation do you provide to the seller to make him assume that you have expertise???? And not some interested buyer that wants him to tell ppl that its all jacked up so you can get it cheap.

Likewise, I have seen sellers on GB that post up everything they are told by experts on GB and seen advertisements get cluttered full of even more inaccurate crap.

I'm just playing the devil's advocate but I could give two [bleep] if the seller lists the ad with all sort of bad info... I know what is right and wrong, if someone else wants to spend their money, they should as well or deal with the repercussions.

I agree with you Drew and again, it comes down to caveat emptor. But I also am someone who endorses ethical behavior. I care about the future of our hobby area and hate to see new people get burned. Our hobby area is really no different than other collectables - one can just as easily get burned on collectable cars, coins, stamps, gemstones and the like. It is a greedy world out there filled with people who will say (or write) anything to get a buck. Gunshows are rife with this and the crap I have heard from the other side of the tables (e.g. "factory engraved by Conrad Ulrich") could fill a book. This is why we advise beginners to learn as much as they can before they start opening their wallets. A great place to learn is this forum. In fact, some of the threads that have been the most controversial (e.g. critiques of rifles that have been considered too harsh) have been of the most educational. Drew, by the way, I do agree with the point you made about sellers receiving corrections from others - how do they know these are people that know what they are talking about? I know often people will comment that they wrote a seller to advise them of an error they made and despite that the seller didn't change their description. And I also have seen where seller's have made adjustments to their descriptions based on erroneous feedback. Again, I appreciate that you made this point.

The seller has other things going for more than I would pay, he seems to have a knack at selling. a lot of his items have bids, more than the usual seller has. I am keeping his site on my computor to see if the .410 savage returnes.

It will also be interesting to watch and see if there is feedback left for this particular item

This seller's items do see a lot of action but this is typical of seller's who start items at a penny with no reserve. That really is the way to sell something.

Feedback is up for the .410. Looks like this one won't be relisted!

"Smooth, Flawless Transaction. A pleasure to do business with. Highly recommend!"

Happy seller and happy buyer it would appear.

There's an ass for every seat, as I've heard said around here. Or as a friend of mine used to say: "Even Hitler found a girlfriend."

Rod

I hope the seller didn't have his sights set on flipping it. Even though I am a collector and look at most things from that perspective, I have to say this rifle doesn't make much sense to buy as a hunter. If the magazine were functional I would feel a lot different about it. I like .410 single-shots but very sleek, lightweight ones. I used to own a petite little H&R takedown .410 and that was like a feather in the hand.

Thanks Phil99, you made me laugh!

This is the reason none of us here can predict what something is, "worth" beyond what we would personally pay for it. Had the seller of this rifle posted it on this site asking what his rifle was, "worth" we would have come up with a dramatically lower figure than what it turned out to be, "worth." I see the seller currently has a ratty .22HP for sale and with four days to go the bidding is quite a bit more than what I would pay. And a whole lot more than what Lauren would pay . Anyway, I am watching with interest to see what this .22HP is ultimately, "worth."

Despite "expert opinion": A gun is still worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for it.

It appears this 410 Savage is "worth".................. about $2224

let me make this perfectly clear..I am not sticking up for this seller..I have read his discription several times and can't find where he said the gun is "original condition"...I would have like to have had it, it went 3 times what I bid.

The seller claims the gun was "made in a shotgun variation" (it wasn't) and that it has "no extra holes anywhere" (it clearly has extra holes on the left side of the receiver). IMHO, if this seller has 3000+ transactions, he's seen more than a few 99s and should at least have been able to see the extra holes. I'm willing to give folks the benefit of the doubt in most cases, but this is a real stretch.

Rod

The seller is like a lawyer who starts believing his own bullshite!

Reminds me of a favorite Seinfeld episode where George is coaching Jerry to pass a lie detector test: "Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it."