Lets see some pics of deer taken with the 223. Also interested in the load and shot details...
Heres the latest...223AI 53 gr TSX..
From Back in the Day....IIRC .223 60 Gr. Horn.
Ingwe
Do Antelope count??
.223 53 gr TSX..
.223 60 gr Horn.
Ingwe
Ingwe, you always impress me with your 22 centerfire kills. How do the Hornadys work? Your buddy MD said in an article in Rifle or Handloader forget which, a few years ago they work great, just to avoid the shoulder...
What bullet grain would work for a whitetail? In 5.56 NATO.
I plan on using my service rifle when I join the Army. I might be stationed in Alabama and would want something to do on weekend leave.
I've used 60 gr Partitions no problems
If the 223AI counts...
75gr Swift @70 yards, deer quartering on, through the on shoulder out the ribs. Deer took a few steps.
62gr TSX @90 yards, broadside through shoulders. Again maybe 2 steps.
62gr TSX 100 yards, deer quartering on, though shoulder/knuckle, deer dropped RIGHT the [bleep] now, never so much as made a twitch.
Fireforming load with 64gr PP, @25 yards though shoulder. Recovered bullet against hide on offside.
I was present for this one that Paul shot. Deer was going hard away down hill. 70gr TSX at @50 yards went in behind shoulder, traveled into the neck, followed the length of the spine and exited between the eyes.
How do the Hornadys work? Your buddy MD said in an article in Rifle or Handloader forget which, a few years ago they work great, just to avoid the shoulder...
LBP, I would agree with MD on that, used them for years before a decent premium .22 bullet came out.Others here have done well with Sierra GK 63s gr and the now defunct Nosler Solid Base 60 gr.
Since the advent of TSXs I cant see using alot else...don't need to avoid the shoulder even with the 53 grainers,others here like the 62 gr. TSX and even the 70 in the tighter twist rifles.Anyone of them are hard to argue with...
Ingwe
.223ai, 75gr Swift
What is you guys choice as the best bullet for deer and such in 223? TSX, Partition, Swift, Gameking, Etc? I have only used the Partition in handloads. When I was a kid I used factory Remington 50 gr Power Lokts in my .222. It worked fine but I only took neck shots. I like to be able to shoot thru the shoulder if I have too. No complaints with the Partition so far.
60 gr hornady is good. All of the bullets Steelhead listed are good. I paid 25 buck for a 1000 of the Hornadys and they shoot bug holes so I am done looking.
BMT
.223ai, 75gr Swift
Love that stock...
Travis
Me too! What are the percentages on that one again?
I plan on using my service rifle when I join the Army. I might be stationed in Alabama and would want something to do on weekend leave.
You actually think they'll let you check your rifle out of the armory for the weekend to go hunt??
With written permission from my CO I could hunt on base.
There has to be a set time to have it back.
Yeah, I'd asked him before. It's fitty-fitty orange and black.
Travis
Winnie, hate to burst your bubble but no way will you EVER sign out a weapon except for an official training event.
As for .223, my 9 yr. old killed his 1st buck last year with the 53 grain TSX at 118 yards. Deer flopped.
With written permission from my CO I could hunt on base.
There has to be a set time to have it back.
Somebody is fibbing to you...
Travis
obama would resign before that weapon were to leave the armory for anything other than offical use.
Oh well then guys.
I will make a stick bow and some arrows then go hunting. Just head out with a boot lace or take a bow string.
obama would resign before that weapon were to leave the armory for anything other than offical use.
Dat would be perfect, wouldn't it??
ingwe
If the 223 works for deer under ideal conditions, ie, shot placement,shot placement, shot placement. Then I dont know why it shouldnt make a good cougar gun out to about 250 yards? 65 grain Siera Game King? 70 grain soft point?
I plan on using my service rifle when I join the Army. I might be stationed in Alabama and would want something to do on weekend leave.
Wow guy, how'd you make it to nearly 400 posts dropping gems like this one?
In all seriousness this isn't going to happen. Plan on purchasing your own rifle if you plan on hunting.
Also, don't plan on getting any particular duty station in say, any location you'd like - the Army will probably give you a startling surprise when you get your first set of orders, at least that was my experience.
I plan on using my service rifle when I join the Army. I might be stationed in Alabama and would want something to do on weekend leave.
Wow guy, how'd you make it to nearly 400 posts dropping gems like this one?
In all seriousness this isn't going to happen. Plan on purchasing your own rifle if you plan on hunting.
Also, don't plan on getting any particular duty station in say, any location you'd like - the Army will probably give you a startling surprise when you get your first set of orders, at least that was my experience.
I'd not bust his balls too hard. He's just young. No doubt he'll sort things out once he takes the plunge.
Travis
Oh well then guys.
I will make a stick bow and some arrows then go hunting. Just head out with a boot lace or take a bow string.
There's some good hunting on more than one military installation. Be sure you take full advantage of it. Good for you wanting to sign on to begin with.
But I'd re-think that Army schit...
Travis
I'd not bust his balls too hard. He's just young. No doubt he'll sort things out once he takes the plunge.
Travis
Roger that, I just looked at his picture. To clarify - Winnie your decision to join the Army is a commendable one.
Good hunting on Ft Leonard Wood here in Missouri but you aint gonna be doing it with and M-16 or M-4!!! Any rifle for that matter!!!
I know what I am going to hunt with my service rifle.
Enemy troops.
I've used 70gr Speers in my 22/250 for deer with good results. They aren't hard stabilize as they are semi spitzer.
I shot this deer with a 70gr a few years ago on Remembrance Day.
Heres the latest...223AI 53 gr TSX..
From Back in the Day....IIRC .223 60 Gr. Horn.
Ingwe
Ingwe,
What kind of gun is that? I'm considering a .223 that doesn't weigh a ton (I've got a Volquartsen that probably goes 13.5 with scope and a worked over Mini-14 that can't bee too far behind)to start my little girls.
I've used 70gr Speers in my 22/250 for deer with good results. They aren't hard stabilize as they are semi spitzer.
I shot this deer with a 70gr a few years ago on Remembrance Day.
Cool buck SC!
Travis
Heres the latest...223AI 53 gr TSX..
From Back in the Day....IIRC .223 60 Gr. Horn.
Ingwe
Ingwe,
What kind of gun is that? I'm considering a .223 that doesn't weigh a ton (I've got a Volquartsen that probably goes 13.5 with scope and a worked over Mini-14 that can't bee too far behind)to start my little girls.
Its a Rem model 7 Predator in 223.....punched out to AI./.
Ingwe
How fast do you push those 53�s to be comfortable they will open up?
Before getting a chrony I had a scary accurate load that was about 2900 out of my little CZ 527 with H322. I switched to RL 15 and now am getting 3200 with 27g. Accuracy is still sub MOA, and probably would be better if I could seat the bullet deeper; RL 15 fills the case pretty well. This load prints right with my groundhog load of 50g V-max�s. Just curious as to the acceptable window for this bullet as everyone advocates pushing the TSX�s FAST
The faster the better, my 223AI is shoving them out at 3400fps..Barnes maintains with the TSX alloy that they will open reliably( but not completely) down to 1700 fps...
At your 2900 fps level I wouldnt worry about a thing till you get past 200-250 yds......
I got a perfectly expanded specimen of a 53 grainer out of a doe I shot with a standard .223 at an even 200 yds, complete penetration...picture book boolit...and I lost it of course..
My pards daughter just killed her first deer with a .222 and a 45 gr TSX at about that speed...nice big dude too!
ingwe
Cool. That's what I thought, and the reason I changed powders (faster) after getting the chrony. I guess my MOA 3200fps load will be just fine then. I figured it would make a nice fur load for coyotes or bigger stuff if I take it out of the state.
It can make a good fur load, but be aware it doesnt expend energy like a c-n-c or varmint bullet, Ive had coyotes run a bit with a TSX drill hole in them...
they always died though....
Ingwe
You guys......
I was gonna take my 25-284 this evening, but now I gotta carry the 223AI. Maybe I can catch another 62TSX, but it's not likely.
Heres a couple of my latest 223 kills. I used the 60gr Partition on both, one shot each...
You need to enter that buck into the dink-o-thon...
They both look pretty tasty...
Ingwe
I thought I was entered I signed up to give you some competition...
Look at his head, his scalp was torn loose and he had a hole about the size of a nickel thru his skull. No brain injury and it was trying to heal up, no idea how he was injured. Until he ran across my 223 that is...
Winnie1300,
When I was in the Army at Ft. Knox, Kentucky we could only use 12 gauge slugs for deer.
I seriously doubt your CO would let an automatic weapon out of the Arms room. I'm guessing the recruiter blew smoke up your a$$
You could buy your own shotgun and store it in the arms room.
Thanks for your service to your country.
whelennut
NEF .223 64gr. Winchester PP
NEF .223 64gr. Winchester PP
NEF .223 55gr. TBBC
NEF Youth Handi-Rifle .22 Hornet 45gr. Nosler Solid Base
NEF Youth Handi-Rifle .22 Hornet 45gr. Nosler Solid Base
NEF Youth Handi-Rifle .22 Hornet 45gr. Nosler Solid Base
Tons of great photos here. Winnie, if you do wind up in Alabama give me a hollar. BUT don't plan on getting any of your 'wish list' first duty stations unless you have it in writting in your original contract.
53gr V-Max HSN factory load, about 15 yds from my 16 1/2 inch barreled AR-15 quartering to the left. This is the entrance side. Deer went 20 yds and flopped:
FOsteology, you've been keeping that boy busy!
The .223AI added another to its score today.
53 Gr TSX...
Ingwe
Nice doe Ingwe. What are the shot details?
See the beginning of my thread on it..same forum..
The thread degenerates pretty fast..and might not be for family viewing...
Got this guy this morning with my Son's 223. I used the 60 gr Partition. Short shot 40 yards broke one rib entering destroyed the heart and broke one rib exiting. Deer was DRT not a step.
Heres the enterance.
Heres the heart.
Finally, the exit.
Yeah, I'd asked him before. It's fitty-fitty orange and black.
Travis
Travis is correct. Sorry for the LONG delay in response.
I think I forgot to post a pic of the doe I got last week. Anyway, here she is, I got her at 100 yards. I hit her a little high and back from the shoulder, as she stepped into a dry creek bed right as I fired the shot. The bullet nicked the bottom edge of her spine and she went down DRT. I used my Son's 223 for her with the 60gr Partition.
Anybody else using a 223 this year?
Mulling AR with Fusion 62s vs. Frontier .358 w/180 handloads for Saturday's rifle opener...
Coldcase, why don't you give the Fusions a try and let us know how they work. I have some on the way that a friend gave me, I'm sure going to give them a try. I also have some Power Points to try. Only problem is I'm running out of tags...
You should have seen the heart pic that photobucket deleted. Total destruction...
As is shown from all the pics, hit them right and down they go.
I try to aim for a head / neck shot with my 223 - if i am ever caught short with it and come across a deer.
CK
Got this guy this morning with my Son's 223. I used the 60 gr Partition. Short shot 40 yards broke one rib entering destroyed the heart and broke one rib exiting. Deer was DRT not a step.
Heres the enterance.
LBP, Is that the stevens 200 or is it a different rifle? Great job on the deer, thanks for posting the pictures. I'm also assuming your using this load:
223 Pet Load
Remington Case
Trim 1.750
Weight Sorted
Flash Hole Deburred
Remington 7 1/2 Primer
H4895 Powder
26.0 Grains
60 Grain Nosler Partition Bullet
2.30 OAL
MV 3170 at 10 feet from muzzle
Looks like it definately does the trick. I didn't get a chance to go deer hunting this year, but next year I think my daughter may go and she will be using my 223 rem Ruger Hawkeye. Best regards, bsa.
Fosteology, that's one lucky boy you got there. Good on you!
53gr V-Max HSN factory load, about 15 yds from my 16 1/2 inch barreled AR-15 quartering to the left. This is the entrance side. Deer went 20 yds and flopped:
A game bullet would be more appropriate for game. V-Max = "V" for varmint.
Please note the bullet selection that most other posters in this thread use. It will aid in your selection for a proper bullet with better results on avarage.
The following quote is from the Hornady site and describes the V-Max.
Speed Kills! Varmint hunters can now reap the benefits of Hornady Superformance propellant technology in their favorite varmint cartridges. Superformance Varmint ammunition delivers muzzle velocity increases of 100 to 200 feet per second from EVERY gun. Accuracy, increased range, flatter trajectory, less wind drift and devastating terminal results are all realized with Superformance Varmint ammunition. Featuring the industry leading polymer tipped Hornady V-MAX bullet that delivers match accuracy and rapid fragmentation, Superformance Varmint ammunition from Hornady extends current varmint cartridge efficiency and performance. Optimal results are achieved in all firearms, and Superformance Varmint ammunition is safe to use in all action types, including semi-autos.
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BSA, you are correct sir on both questions. It is my son's Stevens 200 and I was using our pet load you listed. I also took the doe on the previous page with the same combo a few days before the buck. She was DRT also not a step.
You know a lot of folks seem to have problems with accuracy using the Partition. I guess we were lucky this was the first load we tried and consistently get 3/4" groups. I think thats pretty good for an inexpensive Stevens, its good enough for our purposes anyway. Notice I didn't call the Stevens cheap, its a lot of rifle for the money.
LBP, I'll definately agree with you about the stevens. As I told you in another post, my friend bought one a few months ago and it is a tack driver. While breaking the barrel in, we shot a few groups that measured less than 1/2 inch @ 100 yds. Thanks again for posting the pictures of your kills and the performance of the 60 grain partition. I bought a couple hundred of the 64 gr. federal fusion bullets for my .223 and they shoot great out of my hawkey. I'm thinking about trying them on deer next year, but if I change my mind I think I'd go straight to the partitions and try your pet load out. bsa.
The problem with the Stevens is they don't sell them around here in .22 calibers!
That's a shame, because like LBP said "its a lot of rifle for the money". My friends stevens puts my hawkeye to shame in the accuracy department: As much as it hurts to admit it
Coldcase, I couldn't find one locally either, so I got on internet and found the cheapest deal I could find out of state, and prepaid for the rifle. Then I had a local FFL dealer receive the rifle for me. I had to pay the dealer a small transaction fee ($20), but avoided state sales tax since I prepaid for the rifle out of state. I buy most of my guns this way.
BSA, another member on campfire is sending me some Federal 62gr Fusion ammo that he no longer needed. I'm just going to check the zero with a couple and give them a try. I tell you the 223 is unbelievably effective on our size deer out to 200 yards or so. I didn't know you could get the Fusions as a component, I might go with them if they work out. Where did you get the Fusions?
Lbp, I purchased them from a suplier at a gunshow. They were pretty cheap and at $10.00/100 I had a hard time saying no. I'll get you his email address:
[email protected]
BSA, Thanks for the contact info. If the Fusions work out I'll sure contact him...
No problem, you helped me out with my hawkeye: I had to return the favor
Even then till next time.
I have took a bunch of bucks with my 223's over the years. Hear is one I took with my AR 2 years back. 55 grain nosler BT 330 yards. I killed my antelope the year before this at 706 yards with a 60 grain partion out of my VSSF 223, but the conditions were right that day.
Ok here is my youngest 'W' with a few kills using his DPMS Sportical. Load is 64g Win PP over varget-we haven't had one stay in a deer yet. They are a great inexpensive bullet for deer class game out of a .223. PH
PH, good lookin boy and it looks like you taught him well. GREAT JOB...
KH,
What's the bullet?
Pete
I think I forgot to post a pic of the doe I got last week. Anyway, here she is, I got her at 100 yards. I hit her a little high and back from the shoulder, as she stepped into a dry creek bed right as I fired the shot. The bullet nicked the bottom edge of her spine and she went down DRT. I used my Son's 223 for her with the 60gr Partition.
So you are having no trouble stabalizing the 60 partitions with 1:12" twist?
KH,
What's the bullet?
Pete
Pete, that'd be the tiniest TSX....45gr's. Moly'd, inserted ala 223AI at 161 yards. Both fronts punched, top of the heart, and a lung. Didn't go far.
My 1 in 12 twisted barrel won't spin the 53's to my satisfaction. Best I've done with the 53's so far is about 1.5" groups, while the 45's shoot itty-bitty bugholes. I prefer precision....And results.
Like this:
Daughters first deer. Ruger M77MKII All-weather .223 with Ultramax 55 grain SoftPoints. 144 yard lung shot.
Georgia Boy, my son's rifle I've been using has a 1-9 twist and shoots it great. I've talked to Nosler techs however and they assure me the bullet will shoot in a 1-12. If you plug the length of the bullet into some of the online twist calculators it comes up as 1-11.5 as optimum.
KH,
What's the bullet?
Pete
Pete, that'd be the tiniest TSX....45gr's. Moly'd, inserted ala 223AI at 161 yards. Both fronts punched, top of the heart, and a lung. Didn't go far.
My 1 in 12 twisted barrel won't spin the 53's to my satisfaction. Best I've done with the 53's so far is about 1.5" groups, while the 45's shoot itty-bitty bugholes. I prefer precision....And results.
Like this:
At first I thought it was one of those "Blue Pills" Barnes used to make. Thanks for the info.
Pete
Dang...all I have is .233 hog pics.
Winnie,
Good on you for joining the service. There is tremendous deer hunting on many installations and I am sure all of them in Alabama will offer some opportunities. They won't let you use your service rifle though. You'll have to bring your own rifle or shotgun and you may have to store it in the armory. Checking it out will probably be a pain in the azz. You would probably do well to store it with a friend who lives off base. Also, lots of bases offer really good bow hunting so you might consider that. I was able to keep my bow in my room in a case, but you will just have to find out what the rules are for wherever you will be stationed. What is your MOS going to be?
I do not know yet for sure.
I either would like to be airborne or infantry.
Who knows? When I talk to a recruiter next year I hope to have it figured out.
LT, heck lets some some hog pics too...
Cool!
See the tiny .223 TSX in the off shoulder?
Daughters first deer. Ruger M77MKII All-weather .223 with Ultramax 55 grain SoftPoints. 144 yard lung shot.
Cute picture, she looks happy. Great job! BSA.
Kecatt, congratulations to you and your daughter...
I finally got to try out my Remington LTR and the 53gr TSX averaging 3,300fps from my 20" bbl. The small buck was about 70yds broadside, he made it about 15yds before giving up the ghost. I'm pretty impressed with the performance, now if I can just catch one.
Exit
Tn, good luck catching one. I finally had to shoot a Partition into 5 milk jugs of water taped together. Picture perfect mushroom...
For those interested, here is the bullet recovered from the deer pic I posted earlier in the thread. It came to rest under the skin of the off side.
55 grain Ultramax out of a 223 144 yard lung shot.
It weighed 41 grains.
Here are a few...
60 Grain Nosler Partition - broke near shoulder and exited behind the off shoulder.
60 Partitions - through both shoulders and clipped spine - DRT, obviously...
Exit...you don't have to hit them as high as many think for that DRT shoulder shot...
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Oldest son's first deer, taken when he was just 4...almost 5, but still just 4...grin. Same deal - busted both shoulders with a 60 Partition.
Amazing what one box of fairly cheap Black Hills reman. 60 Partitions has done...and we're still killing stuff with the same box...of course there was 50 rounds in there...
Got a bunch more pics of kiddos with 223 killed deer when I can get time to rustle them up...
DJ
I'll have to figure out how to post a link to this thread for the next idiot that says you shouldnt be using a centerfire .22 on deer...
Premium boolits have definitely changed the rules.....
Premium boolits have definitely changed the rules.....
In all honesty, I don't think premiums (as in new super premiums) have changed the rules all that much. The good ol Win power points and other standard soft points did well for deer and antelope when I first was of age to hunt in the 90s. I killed a few pronghorns and deer back in high school with a .22-250 and had similar results to those pics posted above. Soft points at 223 velocities may have been different. I don't know.
You might have a point..theres regular SPs out there alot of the guys here like you and Dober have tried, that I have not...He swears by the 63 gr. Sierra and I see LOTS of guys liking that Win.64 grain PP..Ive never killed a head of game with either.Back in the day I used the 60 gr. horns and 60 gr. nosler solid base the most..never had anything get out from in front of either one...
I'm just a premium boolit slut...truth be known...I wish swift A-Frame made a .22....
Yes..I have tasted the kool-aid...
DJ, I remember seeing your pics of the youngest boy with his first deer a few days ago Congratulations. I've used the Partitions the last 2 years with the same results on our little Central Texas deer. I have not even used another rifle since I started using the 223 and can't see where I'm giving up anything, except noise and recoil...
Ingwe, thats a great idea about posting a link for Naysayers...
I'm just a premium boolit slut...truth be known...I wish swift A-Frame made a .22....
Yes..I have tasted the kool-aid...
Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Their obviously very lethal based on the pics you have posted.
An A-Frame in .224 would perk my interest too.
Andddd if you've kept up with the adventures of Scenarshooter...theres very little arguing with what he has done with a .220 swift and regular garden variety 55 gr. Horns...
Besides a premium boolit slut..Im a .22 centerfire slut...if c-n-c boolits were all that I had..I'd be rockin' on......
Go to the first post and get the handle of the OP. Look in the post and find a bunch of four or more character key words. Then do a search on that user name, using all the key words, and narrowed to the smallest date range that will catch the post.
When the search returns its listings click on the originator's entry. The beginning of the thread will come up in your browser, and it's address will be in, you guessed it, the address bar. Copy and paste the address into a convenient storage spot.
When a never tried it naysayer gets to blabbing, reply and copy/paste the address into your answer. It should light up as a link to this thread.
Sorry mathman...techno- challenged here...originators entry???
I clicked on a bunch of schitt, and never saw an address bar...
Think I'll go have some whiskey...on ice....
When you do the search and get the list, that will be the entry corresponding to the poster who started this thread whose address you're trying to save.
At the top of your browser, where it says
http://........
You got the right guy and thread, but not the start post. Look for the one in the search return list that does not have Re: in front of the topic.
ok..thanks
You might have a point..theres regular SPs out there alot of the guys here like you and Dober have tried, that I have not...He swears by the 63 gr. Sierra and I see LOTS of guys liking that Win.64 grain PP..Ive never killed a head of game with either.Back in the day I used the 60 gr. horns and 60 gr. nosler solid base the most..never had anything get out from in front of either one...
I'm just a premium boolit slut...truth be known...I wish swift A-Frame made a .22....
Yes..I have tasted the kool-aid...
I wish they still made the 55gr TBBC myself. I still have 1/2 box of the .223 and .22-250 Federal Premiums. However the 53gr TSX is pretty impressive!
I am loving these kill pics. I have never thought of the 223 as a big game round, but my thinking is changing. I used to work with a guy here in WI that swore by 223's for deer hunting. Him and his son both shot them and if I remember correctly, they shot Black Hills Ammo. They hunted with a few guys that also shot the as well. All "Big G" used to say to me about them was, try them, you'd be pleasantly surprised at what they do on a deer.
Dale
According to the FKIA's at TnDeer you can't kill a deer with a .223
DA set em straight about it
According to the FKIA's at TnDeer you can't kill a deer with a .223
DA set em straight about it
5 year old kids on youth hunts seem to do ok with that round.
Or maybe it's really daddy that's doing the shooting. "Muh 5 yr olt dawter put her princes collerin book down an shot that 140 class buck at 265 yrds. She got nervs of steel im tellin ya"