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Posted By: JD45 .223 die set-up - 04/14/24
We all know that most chambers are cut for 5.56mm NATO. I've yet to load my first .223 round. I do load for everything else and know all about partial sizing and setting back the case shoulder. But this is for an AR-15, so I can't check it by feel.

Do you guys just full length size in .223 dies and bump the shoulder back every time? I wonder because if the NATO shoulder is slightly longer, brass will get worked quite a bit.
Posted By: TWR Re: .223 die set-up - 04/14/24
Chamber is the same it’s the leade that is cut deeper if I understand correctly.

I use a Hornady case comparator and set the shoulder back 2-3 thousandths, just so it chambers easily.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1012743827/?pid=479704
Posted By: antelope_sniper Re: .223 die set-up - 04/14/24
Originally Posted by JD45
We all know that most chambers are cut for 5.56mm NATO. I've yet to load my first .223 round. I do load for everything else and know all about partial sizing and setting back the case shoulder. But this is for an AR-15, so I can't check it by feel.

Do you guys just full length size in .223 dies and bump the shoulder back every time? I wonder because if the NATO shoulder is slightly longer, brass will get worked quite a bit.

You'll quickly learn there's no such thing as loading for a specific AR. You're loading for all 5...10....maybe 20 ARs you'll end up with. So, yea, resize back to spec for AR's.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by JD45
We all know that most chambers are cut for 5.56mm NATO. I've yet to load my first .223 round. I do load for everything else and know all about partial sizing and setting back the case shoulder. But this is for an AR-15, so I can't check it by feel.

Do you guys just full length size in .223 dies and bump the shoulder back every time? I wonder because if the NATO shoulder is slightly longer, brass will get worked quite a bit.

You'll quickly learn there's no such thing as loading for a specific AR. You're loading for all 5...10....maybe 20 AR you'll end up with. So, yea, resize back to spec for AR's.


Lol. 😂
Posted By: bsa1917hunter Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
Just save yourself the trouble, and fl size them. And yes, you'll end up with more than just one..
Posted By: JD45 Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
Thanks for the tips. I have 2 at the moment.
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
I use a cartridge gauge, Lyman in this case. Checks for proper sizing and case length. If it fits in the gauge, it fits my guns, so far at least. A pocket machinist’s rule easily helps check that the case isn’t sticking out over the steps at either end; just slide the edge over. If a case is sized too much, the corner of the rule will catch on the edge of the minimum step.
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by JD45
We all know that most chambers are cut for 5.56mm NATO. I've yet to load my first .223 round. I do load for everything else and know all about partial sizing and setting back the case shoulder. But this is for an AR-15, so I can't check it by feel.

Do you guys just full length size in .223 dies and bump the shoulder back every time? I wonder because if the NATO shoulder is slightly longer, brass will get worked quite a bit.

You'll quickly learn there's no such thing as loading for a specific AR. You're loading for all 5...10....maybe 20 AR you'll end up with. So, yea, resize back to spec for AR's.


Lol. 😂

+1 😝 I just started down that rabbit hole in November, and already have two, and another upper enroute…
Posted By: dla Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
Cartridge dimensions are exactly the same.

Full-length resize, but try not to move the shoulder more than a couple mils. The less you move the shoulder, the less work hardening, the more reload cycles before cracking. I don't anneal.
I reload for 2 ARs, one carbine-length and the other rifle-length gas systems.

I know that the first time I FL-resize range pickup brass I can be moving a lot of metal around. But on subsequent load cycles as little as possible.

I use a Brass Goat.
Posted By: jimmyp Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
I set the redding dies up just like the redding directions say and resize the brass, trim to length, load the bullet to just shy of magpul magazine length.
Posted By: TWR Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
I measured all my fired cases and was surprised at the difference between guns. Had a LaRue that was loose as a goose on headspace and a Krieger that was pretty tight.

Wound up selling both of those and keeping ones that fell in line with the rest of them. Keeping AR brass separated is a pain I got tired of dealing with.
Posted By: kwg020 Re: .223 die set-up - 04/15/24
Originally Posted by TWR
Chamber is the same it’s the leade that is cut deeper if I understand correctly.

I use a Hornady case comparator and set the shoulder back 2-3 thousandths, just so it chambers easily.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1012743827/?pid=479704
Spend the money for a set of calipers and the Hornady comparators. The brass I resize for the AR's and NATO chambers won't fit in a standard .223. They are 2 different animals. Keeping the brass separate is a pain in the rear but I have the time so I do it. Or you can do like TRW did as sell the ones that don't fit your needs.

kwg
Posted By: rost495 Re: .223 die set-up - 04/16/24
Originally Posted by TWR
I measured all my fired cases and was surprised at the difference between guns. Had a LaRue that was loose as a goose on headspace and a Krieger that was pretty tight.

Wound up selling both of those and keeping ones that fell in line with the rest of them. Keeping AR brass separated is a pain I got tired of dealing with.
Krieger is generally known for pretty tight. As is WOA generally.
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