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For Christ sake how about putting some eye protection on your kid!

Really....?? Appears to just be a function test? No proper bench rest equipment for accuracy? Any AR will pass that test?
what are you selling?

dude, you have got to come up with more than that, I give you 1/2 star out of 5.

Nice pattern anyway.

Seems like the gun is reliable with cheap steel cased ammo.

Though safety glasses did need to be worn IMHO.

Accuracy sucked, but being they were not smart enough to use proper rests and even try out some half way decent ammo, one will never know how accurate(or not ) that gun really is.

Pretty pathetic for a review IMHO.

But they probably don't realize over here there are many top level AR shooters that demand accuracy and reliability out of a gun. Not just a blasting gun.

No mention of price, that would have been interesting.

That would be very respectable group... at 1000 yards.

Not sure what to take from that video

It doesn't make me want one.....that's for sure

Dang. Just dang.

Just because you can, don't mean you should...

Sir, no disrespect meant; just honest criticism from a former gunwriter.

Eye protection...you really ought to know better. Firearms have protection for the shooter built in if you blow a primer or have a case failure. If eye protection is worn, any incident is likely to result in superficial wounds. If eye protection isn't worn, someone usually loses or has a badly damaged eye. I see you were wearing, he should to as should anyone on the range.

Review - A PROPER review should include proper technique at the bench, 5 shot groups of various ammo. I always fired 5 groups from each different ammo. It takes time, and it's boring, but that's how you do it.

Next, you ought to talk about what makes that particular rifle unique, and why anyone would want it vs. some other brand. Balance value against price.

Next time you read a gun review, pay very close attention to the detail and background provided and that will help you with future reviews. And work from a checklist when doing video reviews so you don't forget anything.

Here's a very brief review I did years ago on an Arsenal AK; you might find it helpful (or not): http://shootersjournal.net/ak-review-arsenals-sgl-20-ak-in-7-62x39/

Gentleman, Thank you for the replies It was discussed during editing about my son's eye protection and we decided to go with it knowing there would be backlash, This is not or was it ever meant to be a sales pitch, so cracks like that are useless
and uncalled for we are not professional marksman,just some family guys doing what we enjoy. it was only a range test for accuracy and a video so that some guys who can't afford the big name guns might find an alternative The price of this weapon from Bearcreek Arsenal was $500 and came with a hardcase it can be seen on classicfirearms.com. and it was the first video ever done and if we continue I am quite sure things will get better. and if ya'll choose to or not follow the channel, I really do apperciate what most of you said especially you Gungeek thanks for the honest and professional assessment.

people worry too much about the eye protection. I always have glasses on so its no biggie for me. doesn't the ejection patter seem incorrect on that gun?? overgassed?? to me it doesn't look any better than the $425 palmetto parts gun I built a while back.

I wasn't sure this could get worse, but it did. Wow.

My God cowboy what a really stupid statement.

Good lord......there's so much Fail in that video I don't even want to start.

Please get your son in some eye protection though.

I'll give you a thumbs-up on the MOE handguards though. I like them too.

A bipod, rear bag, and a (shorter) 20rd magazine make a reasonably stable platform for quantifiable accuracy testing.

This low cost Franken-build shoots most ammo into 1.5" or maybe a little better at 100 yards.

these threads are sort of like a slow motion train wreck.

When I first saw the video I thought it was a spoof. Then I realized that you were trying to be serious. The cracks may be a bit cruel but go post over on M4 carbine and the ridicule will be intense and personal. There was no accuracy shown in this video. If you think you shot this gun and it was accurate in your eyes then you have not been around guns very long.

Well, here goes nothing...

Internet Posts
-Introduce yourself. Before I value your opinion, I have to know who you are and what your background is.

-Have someone proof read your internet posts. It's probably just me, but when I read stuff like this it makes my eyes bleed and I immediately begin disregarding all of your opinions.



Videography
-Don't shout at the camera. We're all friends, you can just talk to us. Get an external mic if you need to or edit the volume later.

-Get a tripod so the camera isn't shaking and wobbling everywhere.

-Looking at the side of someone's head while they sit in one place and shoot is like watching paint dry. At least put the camera behind the shooter so we'll see him and the target. Or put the camera down range so we'll see the shots impacting the target (at least then we would've known which shots belonged to what ammo).

-Put the camera on the same level as what you're filming, not hovering above the shooter or target.

-Don't do so much editing while you're talking. If you're talking and mess up, just start over. All the editing makes the video very choppy.

Actual Testing
-As everyone else has said, wear eye-pro. For crying out loud, wear eye-pro. This isn't about you posting a video without it, it's about you letting your kid shoot without it (WHILE THERE WERE GLASSES LAYING RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU).

-The only thing I learned from your video was that the rifle was capable of firing 50ish rounds without exploding.

-50ish rounds isn't an evaluation. It's not even a function test. If you don't want to pay for more ammo, see if the manufacturer will pay for some.

-You stated "This is about 25 rounds and there's 25 rounds that hit the target from this Bear Creek Arsenal." Well, how many did you shoot...how many is "about 25"? 25? 30? You ought to know. And what are you considering the target...the black circle or the paper backer? There's only 21 holes in the black circle. If you're talking about the circle and the paper backer, prove that there's 25 because I see a ton of holes in the paper and none of them are marked to let me know which shots are from that string of fire.

-The second string with the Federal 5.56 aren't the holes you pointed out. Those were already there from the BB ammo, you can see the same holes from the first target in the video. Take the time to at least mark your hits. But seriously, it's not that hard to just put up a fresh target.

-If you're going to do an accuracy evaluation on the gun, then at least give the gun a fighting chance at succeeding. Set up a good rest for the gun and make yourself as stable as you can. And stop slapping the trigger like it burned your biscuits. Just looking at the target, the accuracy is abysmal. But I can't tell if it's the cheap foreign ammo, you slapping the trigger, the gun wobbling around in the air, or what is causing the inaccuracy. So, I still know nothing about the inherent ability of the gun.

-Accuracy is quantifiable. "About X number of rounds hit the target" tells us nothing. How many rounds were fired? Was the barrel hot / cold? How fast did you fire? How large was the group? What type of optic did you use?

-Ideally, I should be able to watch your review and then duplicate the same tests on my own range to see how your product compares to what I already own. That's how I'll decide if I should buy what you're recommending.

-The ONLY thing you told me about the AR is the manufacturer and that you put a Magpul foreend on it. Five minutes of video told me absolutely nothing about the AR itself. Here's a couple of things I'd like to know after watching a review...
*Who makes the gun and what's their background in firearm's manufacturing?
*What materials are used in the gun? What buffer, gas length, bolt steel, semi / full auto carrier, is the barrel chrome lined or nitrided or..., how was the trigger quality and pull weight, what about the extractor spring / O-ring?
*What's the retail price?
*Where can I buy one?

-How did you come to the conclusion that this is one of the best deals on the market? What other inexpensive ARs have you compared it against? What is the criteria for the comparison?

I just cannot love an M-4 barrel or the length. A middy is the shortest I will ever go again. So many M-4's and I'm not seeing anything new here. M-4's are for the military wanna be's. Let's see something new. How about a 6x45 in a middy lightweight? kwg

You could love M4 IE short tube, if you were putting a suppressor on the end.

Or if it was a house defense gun.

Nothing military or wanna be about those uses.

Other than that I don't like 16 inch tubes either.

I agree Rost. That "wanna be military" was out of line. I just think there is a better use of powder, primers and bullets than out of an M-4 barrel. The military should of stuck with the M-4 as a mount for a grenade launcher and NOT for everyone in the squad. I just won't go any shorter than a 16 middy again. In Iowa the suppressors are a no go. When some bills get paid and some other issues resolved it will be time for something new to play with. It will probably be 20" minimum. kwg

OOps wrong thread

kwg- I think that I could live with 18 as a compromise. Not so loud, not so much loss and a tiny bit handier than 20.

And having shot longer tubes, you really don't gain so much even from 20 to 26 inches in reality.

I had a suppressor on the list just for pigs and yotes and such, but never got that far. When it became legal for anything I jumped on it last fall when I finally ahd the money. Nov 7 emailed and order to a dealer and picked up 2 today.

Glad you got them in Jeff. I was one spot away from a certificate for a Saker and trust a few weeks ago. Had it in my hand as a matter of fact, but the guy ahead of me came looking for it so I passed it off. I've really been wanting one, so it's probably just as well that I didn't get it. Then I'd just want to keep it.

After hunting with ear pro a few times last year I'm ready for one.

I like the 18" option as well. I'm thinking 6x45. The problem is finding .243 bullets in the 60 to 70 grain range. It seems the 6 mm stuff is hard to come by. Iowa has had a suppressor ban since 1977 when the liberals had Iowa by the gonads. My wife fell and broke her arm last week so lots of things are on hold for me.

To the fellow who did the original post on reviewing their rifle, now is the time to come up with something outside of the box. There are way too many M-4 carbines out there now. kwg

My hat is off to Bluedreaux for the editing and pointers. Not just a rant but a very considerate and useful response.

Thank you for an actual evaluation on the video. Again, this was our first video and we will improve. As I said in my first response, we knew we would get hammered for the "EYE PRO" as you put it and decided to risk it for length's sake. So enough said about "EYE PRO", we get it. Now as far as the english lesson, my wife is a grammer nazi so I can handle it HA HA. It is not my biggest concern, there are guys out there doing much worse. And as for your critique on technique, most of this was discussed prior to publishing, and we will improve guaranteed.

Good on you for wanting to improve.

Just saying there are others out there doing worse does nothing at all for me.

Shoot for the top or stay home.

rost495 Sir, Sorry I didn't clarify This statment was only refering to the poster who picked apart my poor spelling and grammar not about the video.

Oh you are fine, I was implying, I don't care a flip about how sloppy others are, you should always strive to do the very best you can, not just a bit better than the rest. Even in posts. And I'm by far not the one that follows my advice, mostly because I type SO fast and make mistakes that I don't correct but should...

But we all should do the best we can every time.

Get back to us on the cost, availability and when you do some real testing for accuracy, rather than just blasting. I"m curious.

rost495 here is alittle info about bearcreek

Bear Creek Arsenal is owned and Operated by the Moore Family.
They have a long history here in our North Carolina not only as master machinist but as shooters, armorers and craftsmen.
Until now Bear Creek has been mostly known behind the scenes in the firearms community for making custom barrels, complex receivers, and high end private label rifle parts for builders across the country.
More recently, their sister company , Moore�s Machine, introduced a base level AR-15 to the market. This is a rifle that we carried for a while, stopped carrying, and then re-introduced after extensive testing and becoming comfortable with their new found level of consistent quality. After being re-introduced, they were a huge success� (this info was taken from classicfirearms.com) rost495 I paid $500 for mine with a hard case not a high quality hardcase, but a hardcase none the less. It was purchased at classicfirearms.com the price has increased to $569.99 and is taking 6-8 weeks to deliever because of popularity of this weapon and the price and performance. We are planning to do a series on some other weapons but we may come back to this. rost495 thank you for your post.

I bet its somewhat hard to go from making custom barrels, to just punching a tube out for a cheaper gun where accuracy is not the goal.

Some of the above info will be good on the review.

more damn spam. Geez

I would be curious as to who they made custom barrels and high end parts for as it is an often made statement in the AR world. Going from high end and custom to bottom dollar seems like it would be a difficult stretch for them to make. Without any info on material specs, such as what material are their barrels, bolts, etc; made of, it's hard to say anything about them based upon the review other than it was cheap.

The Internet is full of complaints about how bad the Moore Machine Company ARs were. Even classic firearms stopped carrying them for a while. The. They switch names and put out another super low cost AR......No thanks.

"They've been known for high end rifle parts" Gimme a break.

That's because anyone can run down to Wal-Mart and get a new set of eyes for under $10?





I've worn glasses for over 50 years. They've saved my eyes more times than I can count, from objects as large as baseballs to particles ejected from a muzzle brake a couple of benches over.

That kid didn't have any eye protection. Keep it up and he might soon need some of these replacement eyeballs from Wal-Mart. Oh, wait, they don't really exist.