There was some video posted on u-tube and facebook of an elk slaughter in Manitoba of 12 elk in a sensitive area by first nations and metis hunters. With the idle no more movement in full swing it would be a good time to start changing the way we deal with natives.

According to Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development:

"It is estimated that Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, Health Canada and numerous other federal departments and agencies now spend more than $11 billion each year to fund programs directed to Aboriginal people.""
$73,400 per year for everyone of the 1.5 million aboriginal people of Canada. $140,000 per couple or $280,000 for a family of 4 and we, the taxpayer are supposed to pay more to settle land claims? When is it ever going to be enough?

Link to video:

http://ontariotrophybucks.ca/index.php?showtopic=35389

11 billion each year??....how much of that is being consumed by the beaurocracy?? That's what I'd like to know. Those program directors are paid pretty generously and they all have budgets for expenses.....how much is used up before it even gets close to the aboriginals?

Can we put that 11 billion in perspective? How much goes out of the country in foreign aid annually? How much has been spent annually on military interventions in foreign countries?

Idle No More, means no more BS...the government of Stephen Harper is misleading all of us in regards to how our government is interacting with Canada's aboriginal people's and its time to quit sucking up the lies.

Canada gave out $5 billion in foriegn aid in 2009. How much of that is spent in Canada creating jobs here?? What exactly are we getting in return for $5 billion??

Harper,like so many Canadian governments prior to his, has been FAR too lenient with aboriginal criminal terrorists and much too generous with wasting our taxes on them.

I hope to see this stupid gang of parasites who are bothering decent Canadians with blockades, etc, dealt with by military force and all others like them treated as the vermin that they are.

There was a demo. by a "nation" in my hometown the other day and some of the "fns" were as white as the driven snow, others were ancient hippies who looked like they had forgone bathing since "The Summer of Love" and still others were useless, lazy union hacks,looking for any publicity they can get.

Time to use heli-gunships and napalm!

Ayup, STOP "foreign aid" while we are at it, especially where people are starving and homeless due to natural disasters.........

Typical union lunchbucket rant!

I was hoping idle no more meant they were all gonna get jobs not block trains lol

I agree there are problems both within the first nations communities and with government agencies that are involved with them. Idle no more is just another push for more money in some form or other. A push to continue down the road already traveled. Idle no more may have started out as a movement to protest Bill C-45, but it is now just as much or more about the whole treaty rights thing. There are benefits and drawbacks to the new legislation but I have to admit, something had to be done about all the stonewalling and rediculous paperwork involved to get any economic activity to start. The Navigable Waters Protection Act, The Environmental Assessment Act, The Fisheries Act and the like were tweaked so that it would be easier to get projects going. Right now natives have hold many a corporation hostage based on legislation as it is written now in these acts. Let's face the truth, there is a welfare mentality within first nations communities. As for Metis right. That is a joke beyond comprehension. Why would someone who is 1/16, 1/8 or 1/4 native blood get first right to game and fish in Manitoba. Makes no sense at all.

Our Constitution [1982] states that the "aboriginal peoples of Canada are the Inuit, Indian and the Metis"...unfortunately it fails to describe at what point genocide kicks in and your blood quantum becomes a factor in determining if your a 'real' Metis...maybe your view that only pure breeds are aboriginals is the root of your problem? ;-)

Before this bill it was a requirement that a 'majority'[50% plus 1] of band members had to vote on allowing band land to be leased out for economic activity...and a'simple majority' had to approve before it would pass. This required at least half of the band to participate in the vote, or it would fail.

With this change it makes it easier for crooked band leaders to circumvent band democracy. You want the band office antics ccleaned up but you support setting up more funny business??? A curious stance for sure.

The Navigable Waters Protection Act, The Environmental Assessment Act, The Fisheries Act and the like were tweaked so that it would be easier to get projects going.
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Tweaked?, that would be funny if it wasn't our environment at stake.

I would like to see all subsidy to natives to end. Become Canadian. Keep your traditions but contribute to society by paying your fair share for all that you enjoy. That will solve the problem of crooked band leaders really quick. Solve the problem of inefficient government agencies. Solve the problem of people living in economically stupid locations like on a flood plain but not moving since the white man is going to bail you out. End the welfare mentality. Curb the high rate of native violence across the land once this welfare mentality has waned.

Are you from Quebec? Just wondering because you seem to have a fixation with welfare mentality?

I have no problem with foreign aid...if it's my choice to send some cash. The problem is Harper taxing the crap out of me and then sending money to the Palestinian authority...come on.

And since when have the muzzies in afghanistan been starving??

Reeedickulous.

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Most of us feel the same way about the aboriginal situation in Canada..

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Well perhaps the real problem is that the Constitution needs to be updated to reflect the country we live in today. Anybody who was born in Canada, and who's parents and grandparents for generations were born in Canada, are "native" Canadian's. Enough disparity, time to unite all true Canadians in equality.

1.Cut of all assistance immediately. 2.when they bitch/riot send in the Canadian forces.

Most of us? Who is 'us'? When was the vote taken, I must have missed it?

Why send forces into Palestine? When the assistance is cut off just let them fend for themselves!! ;-).

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Well perhaps the real problem is that the Constitution needs to be updated to reflect the country we live in today. Anybody who was born in Canada, and who's parents and grandparents for generations were born in Canada, are "native" Canadian's. Enough disparity, time to unite all true Canadians in equality. [/quote]

Now that would be a historical change....it's too bad not a single political party has any interest in trying. While they are doing that they should change the CPP so incarcerated child killers cannot collect any Canada pensions too. :-)

I agree and I think that MOST Canadians feel exactly this way!

"Us" refers to all native-born Canadians.

I agree with you completely there. Capital punishment is a good option for the lowest scum in our society.

I don't think that's much of a sustainable plan, but there are ways to phase it out, such that those of a welfare mentality become self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

I think it's funny that you don't see the irony.

Move along people, hard to troll in a lake with no fish....

Oh I see the irony....;-).....occupied lands and all.

So your not a landed immigrant then? :-).

Question is what would be cheaper...the system they now have for sending funds to the bands OR putting them on welfare? just changing the constitution and getting rid of the Indian act isn't going to change their social issues.

Geezuz,Jim, WHEN are you going to STOP this foolish bullsh!t and remember that YOU are just another Canadian and are NOT "status" OR of "pure" aboriginal blood?!

Canada, is NOT ...occupied lands... and this sort of rhetoric is causing the most severe antagonism toward aboriginals from ordinary Canucks, that I can recall in my 66.5 years. Get the phuque OVER IT, you have an enviable, lifestyle BECAUSE of WHITEMAN'S presence here, technology, UNIONS and medical care!

READ the comments sections in the major Canadian newspapers on every story concerning "indians" and get it into your thick skull, WE have HAD IT !!!!!!

Curious, if the "aboriginal" peoples can trace their origins back to western Asian decent..then..they are immigrants, are they not!

What exactely is "aboriginal"?

Aboriginal is in reference to the Nations of people's that inhabited north America during the time of first contact and colonization of the America's . The very same nations that signed treaties with the Crown.

And you think us Indians haven't? Keep it up and you'll turn Canada into another Syria or Palestine. Rene posted this under the title 'Manitoba Elk Slaughter' when in reality the story is designed to drive more racist rants. I've seen more deer than that hanging from meat poles in some hunting camps, so what is the big deal....oh right natives did this bad thing. :-)

You are correct, I don't have a status card although the last time I checked it's not necessary when your cultural affiliations are being determined. :-).

I am just stirring the pot in the same inflammatory way as the other boys in the sandbox....you should know that, it's cheap amusement. :-)

Curious, if the "aboriginal" peoples can trace their origins back to western Asian decent..then..they are immigrants, are they not!
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The bible traces all our ancestry back to Adam and Eve.....

I understand that scientists figure north America was inhabited by immigrants from other lands, but they don't know everything!! They were quite surprised to find Kenniwick in Washington state remember??

But really what difference does that make when our laws provide the legal recognition that they do? :-)

best description of a "Canadian" i heard was by Dave Broadfoot

"a Canadian is a DP with seniority"

The title of this thread was the same used by the guy who shot the video for his facebook page originally. You bring up some good points and I don't for a second think all natives have it that great and I don't envy your lifestyles. I think a lot of problems need to be dealt with and a lot of that has to come from within. Your chiefs are a joke for the most part and poorly represent you that is for sure. Full disclosure would be a great first step that would benefit the all first nations people and benefit us the taxpayers. Here is some perspective for you......

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/1741805410001

To be a chief, or closely related to the chief is a ticket to wealth in Canada. A lot of that 11 billion is not used properly. It is diverted to line the pockets of the band leaders.

Rene, status Indians are wards of the state and our government has a fiduciary responsibility to look after their interests. Our governments audit the finances of every band and Metis organization in this country.....the government has the information so where lies the lack of full disclosure???? I personally know auditors that audit band finances on a regular basis, and they report to the government....

Oh, then WHY did this fat squaw, Spence, not open the books to the auditor that Harper sent in?

SOME FEW indians, ie, the Osoyoos and Kamloops bands,are actually using the very generous funds we provide to build societies that work,but, most are just useless bums, drunks, whiners and "wannabe" terrorists. Phuque 'em all, cut off ALL funding, enact Parliamentary legislation to cancel ALL treaties and let them survice or not, their choice.

Uprising, violence????? As many young scumbag injuns are now threatening??????? Apache gunships and airborne commandos!

Dave Broadfoot, has been a longtime member of that particularly odious group of socio-cultural leeches known as the "C.B.C" and his comments are what one expects of social parasites and lefturds.

I had several uncles who served in WWII and were passionate Canadian nationalists, who just hated "DPs". All of these men, were 6Ft.+ and my late uncle Jack, was a "hardrock"miner prior to and after the war.....I would have LOVED to see DB call HIM a "DP"in person...............

listen to this kutenay ...
woosh ...

that's the sound of a joke going over your head.

That right there is a perfect example of why we have the curent problems in Canada. The same old story, it's always someone elses fault, ridiculous. And you wonder why a large portion of your people are utter failures in life?

[quote=hornhead]listen to this kutenay ...
woosh ...

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Nothing escaped me, your puerile comment gave me an opening to make another truthful comment about what is wrong with Canada.

Do you suffer from comprehension problems? There has been full disclosure....ask your elected officials for it. :-). Do you think the bands are obligated to defend everything that has already been audited?

Who knows? Harper is already paying some guy $800 per day for what? Best paid gigolo in those parts for sure. ;-).

attwapa scam report out today biggest oppressors of natives are their chiefs