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#2218265 - 05/23/08 Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler)
SamOlson Offline
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We got rained out of work this morning so I killed some time and a few phonebooks.

Cartridge-.300 WSM
Bullets-150 TTSX, 150 Ballistic Tip and 150 E-Tip
Range-10 feet
Impact velocity-3150fps



Bullets entered from the right and stopped at the arrows.

150 TTSX went 15".
150 BT and ET went about 10-11".

An identical test made last spring resulted in...
180 Accubond 11".
180 Partition 16".
180 TSX 18".
(2950fps impact)


I was quite surprised that the BT and ET stopped at nearly the same page. Figured that the ET would have ended up somewhere between the TTSX and the BT.


Bullet gack...



Width at widest point(L-R).
ET-.685"
BT-.676"
TTSX-.620"



Retained weight.
ET-149 grains/99%.
BT-90 grains/60%.
TTSX-149.5 grains/99%.



The ET clearly has a deeper 'tip cavity' than the TTSX.


Anyway, thought you people might enjoy viewing my big 'hunt'.

I really need to quit killin' books and do a real test this fall.


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#2218272 - 05/23/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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We caught these two crossing the road on the way out.
I tried to run up to them for a closer look and better pics but Momma was to fast.....grin





Low clouds, nice and cool. Great day for shooting.
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#2218283 - 05/23/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Were the books wet or dry when you shot them?



Barnes & Nosler -that would be a good name for a bookstore... bet they'd have a good selection of reloading manuals.

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#2218287 - 05/23/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: ShootingLady]
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It rolls right off the tongue....grin


The books were a mix of wet/dry. The dark fatty's(in the first pic) were the water logged ones.


Edited by SamOlson (05/23/08)
Edit Reason: wrong word
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#2218325 - 05/23/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Appreciate the test Sam.

I would like to see bullet performance when impact speed is 400 to 600 fps less.

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#2218349 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SU35]
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You're welcome bud.

I agree, 3150 is a pretty harsh test.
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#2218365 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Good info.

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#2218368 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Looks like the E-tip opened up wider, plus has less space between the petals... uh... physics being what they are, and retained weight being the same... isn't that about the ONLY possible reason it penetrated less?

Correct me if I'm wrong... brain no workie today...

-jeff
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#2218395 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: Jeff_O]
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My brain never works Jeff but the ET certainly seems to have a 'hollower' tip.
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#2218407 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Great data Sam, thanks for posting the results!
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#2218426 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: High_Brass]
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No prob dude.

Scrounged up a pic of the ET..



Anyone have a cross sectioned TTSX pic?
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#2218470 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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TSX win again, the undisputed champ
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.they WAY over penetrate on deer...


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#2218485 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: jwp475]
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Yeah but you shoulda seen the hole from the BT....grin
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#2218547 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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I have, large in diameter and shallow.
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.they WAY over penetrate on deer...


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#2218630 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: jwp475]
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Rosie?

kidding
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#2218685 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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 Originally Posted By: SamOlson
Rosie?

kidding



Is this what you were referring to Sam?


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#2218692 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: jwp475]
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You are nasty.



grin
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#2218733 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Egad !!! Almost lost my supper. Gag !!!
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#2219226 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Sam - thanks for posting.

I agree with seeing what they would do 3-500 ft/sec less. That is if you have more phone books that need killing....... <g>
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#2219276 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: bwinters]
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 Originally Posted By: bwinters
I agree with seeing what they would do 3-500 ft/sec less.




Those books are too heavy for me to lug out 200 yards away.

Anyone have a .308 I can borrow????grin

Seriously it would have been a good idea to download or shoot them from distance.
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#2219301 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Thanks for doing the test; good stuff.

Any chance, if you do this again, you could throw the 130 TSX or TTSX into the mix?

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#2219392 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: jwp475]
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Not sure I'd read that as a TTSX "win"...more penetration just means more wasted energy in most cases. The E-tip retained 99% weight, that'll mean great bullet performance almost every time.

The higher BCs for E-tips means more retained energy at range as well.

Nice to have so many great bullet choices these days!

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#2219430 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: PreciousLiberty]
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I will gladly trade a bit of penetration beyond an animal for faster kills/bigger wounds.
Course I might just use a BT......
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#2219493 - 05/24/08 Re: Bullet Test Part II (Barnes & Nosler) [Re: SamOlson]
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Hey Sam,

If'n I had to kill some feral phone books, I'd do the test with my 30 cal Contender pistol. I used to do expansion tests with the pistol alot. I only get ~ 2250 with 150's in that pistol. Simulates 4-500 yards velocities very well.

If you're interested and have a few spare bullets, I could see if the local phone book population needs controlled.
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