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#305079 - 06/11/04 12:17 PM The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
7mmbuster Offline
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Loc: Alum Bank, PA, U.S.A.
During the War for Independence, the Brits hatched a scheme to turn the Indians against the American Patriots. Sir Henry Hamilton in Detriot became known by both Indians and Americans as "The Hair Buyer", as he payed a healthy bounty for settler's scalps (even loyalist). Soon, the Red Men fell upon the frontier settlments with a vengance.

Among the many atrocities committed by war parties from the Shawnees, Senecas, Wyandots and other tribes, was one which occurred on a small hill near my home, and on which I have hunted and camped many times.

The Tull family were settled on a hill six miles west of Ft Bedford, on Forbes Road. (US Route 30) In the fall of 1777, settlers from Schellsburg (3 miles further west) hearing of an aproaching war party, retreated to the fort. As Williams was leading his family to saftey, he stopped to warn Mr Tull. Mr Tull, despite the danger to his family, refused to evacuate the farm.

A few days later, Williams and his son returning to their farm, came to the Tull home. The Father was lying in the garden, just expiring, scalped. The family home was reduced to smoking ruins containing the bodies of Mrs Tull and a baby. The Indians, not wanting to be encumbered, had evidently swung the babe by it's feet, dashing it's brains against the door post. The rest of the family (8 daughters, aged 16 and younger) were found scattered about the farm, where ever they had been shot or ran down and tomahawked. All dead. All Scalped.

Williams returned the Ft Bedford and gave the alarm. A party of militia was raised but was unable to catch up to the retreating war party.

The Tull family was buried near their farm. The only surviving member of the family was a son serving in the continental army. (all that is known of him) The forest has reclaimed the fields and ruins of the cabin, and though many folks know where Tull's Hill is located, few know ths story of the tragedy.
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#305080 - 06/11/04 12:23 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
teal Offline
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Neat story thanks. American history is VERY rich for the relative short time we have been a country.
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#305081 - 06/11/04 12:35 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
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In fact it was the Brits that interduced scalping to the Indians IIRC my history correctly. It was not a practice till then.
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#305082 - 06/11/04 02:11 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
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What county is you in?

Where is Alum bank?

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#305083 - 06/11/04 02:53 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
Birdwatcher Online   content
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Dammit! A thread like this just as I'm about to pull the plug.

I'm a tad rusty on my history but it seems like 1777 was late for an Indian attack in that area, from what I can remember the main battleground by then having shifted to the Ohio River Valley. Likewise I know Joseph Brant's Mohawks raided deep into the Delaware River Vally during the Revolutionary War.

An entirely different story twenty years earlier, when IIRC much of Frontier Pennsylania was repeatedly attacked and the population decimated.

I ain't gonna excuse a massacre, but it is relevant to point out similar outrages were perpetrated against the Indians. The common thread to both sorts of massacres being that it was the innocent who usually paid the price.

In any event, from an Indian standpoint by 1777 the perpetrators of that raid were operating deep behind enemy lines, perhaps explaining in part why no captive were taken. Of course by then maybe racial hatreds had risen to a point that taking captives was unlikely, although the Shawnee along the Ohio were still doing so regularly.

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Edited by Birdwatcher (06/11/04 03:54 PM)
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#305084 - 06/11/04 03:41 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
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Browsing around, the Senecas under Sayengeraghta (Old Smoke) had been active in major operations with the British earlier that same summer in New York. So while Senecas might have been involved its less likely.

Note that by that time there had been a long prior history of White/Indian killing in Pa, with attendant reprisals. If I were a Cop, the first place I'd look for those responsible would be among militant factions of the Delawares, then settled in eastern Ohio, who had both a motive and a long familiarity with the area in question.

As a sad postscript, six years later a party of Pennsylvanians pursued such a Delaware war party across the Ohio. As a taunt to the pursuers the Indians killed a woman captive they had taken and left her scalped, naked body impaled upright on a sapling along their trail , this woman being the young wife of one of the party.

The enraged posse then encountered a village of more than 100 unarmed Moravian Christian Delawares who had been attempting to remain neutral in the war and were exceedingly impoverished, having earned the hostility of both sides.

One of these Delawares had been given a dress by a relative in the war party, the dead woman's dress. That dress sealed their fate, the next morning the Pennsylvanians systematically clubbed to death more than 100 bound, unresisting men, women and children. An egregious act which raised outrage on both sides of the Frontier.

Birdwatcher


Edited by Birdwatcher (06/11/04 03:44 PM)
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#305085 - 06/11/04 04:01 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
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Oh yeah, I dunno that Hamilton's scalp bouty triggered much killing over what was occurring already. The most viable scalp bounty system I know of within the US was in the Southwest aimed at Apaches, with James Kirker and crew collecting Indian-looking hair from all sources, least of all from the Apaches who were hard to catch and who shot back.

Point of interest, Kirker was an equally opportunity employer, and Whites, Indians and Mexicans all earned wages in his grisly crew. Takes a certain sort of human I guess....

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#305086 - 06/11/04 04:25 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
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Registered: 01/06/02
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Loc: Kansas
Thanks 7mmbuster and Birdwatcher for the histories, brutal but interesting nonetheless.

Reading this thread reminded me of a little history just a couple of miles from my place.

In the spring of 1848 a detachment of 71 young Missouri recruits under the command of a Lt. Royall were escorting a paymaster with his army payroll and a wagon train of 60 wagons along the Santa Fe trail. They were joined by a battalion of artillerymen at Walnut Creek. The soldiers and freighters made camp near Coon Creek (between present day Garfield and Kinsley Ks. ) Early the next morning they were attacked be a war party of approximately 800 Comanches and Apaches. The soldiers were equiped with new breechloading rifles and were able to hold off the Indians after several charges. The Indians then retreated across the river and were pursued by the soldiers. The soldiers were forced to make a stand on the top of a sandhill when threatened by the Indian forces circling them. An Apache chief's horse was shot out from underneath him and when he ran back to grab his saddle he was also shot. An Apache boy separated himself from the distant Indians and rode forward to retrieve his dead father dragging him away with a rope behind his pony. The soldiers withheld their fire admiring the boys courage. The brave Indian lad was none other than Geronimo.

History is full of good stuff.

Jeff

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#305087 - 06/11/04 05:02 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
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I got to tell you gentelmen - I have learned more from the fine people on this forum than the 4 years of hs I attended. Thank you .


Edited by teal325 (06/11/04 05:42 PM)
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#305088 - 06/11/04 05:06 PM Re: The Tull's Hill Massacre (A break from politics)
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Teal, I have all 45 pages of this saved from the old shooters board, GOOD stuff.

The Indian Frontier
04/20/01-2:15 AM Posted by: Birdwatcher
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Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian.

George Orwell was a PROPHET, not a novelist!!!

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