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Yep, fun times.

Mac, what’s the POI offset, say at 10-15 yards with that red dot?

Thanks.

That’s good info there, stuff some might not think about until they find out the hard way…….

house gun red dot on rifle, red laser/light on a glock pistol (sorry I know am living in the past but the laser works for me)

For practicality, I carry a range finder that would be a lot safer PIDing someone at 300 yards. And aiming at the top of someone’s head with a red dot will get hits.

But it’s much easier with a 1-6 out to 700 yards.

It’s just not impossible with either on either end.

You put the dot on the forehead/hairline and the bullet hits right around the nose area. Pretty easy to get hits. I have never had any issues making headshots with the setup.

500 pound JDAM

1-8 LPVO's are becoming more prolific. I don't see them getting referenced here much. ??

The higher the magnification range, the more issues you get or the more money you have to spend.

Eye relief, the fishbowl effect at 1x, field of view, all get compromised or the price goes way up.

A lot of the Spec Ops photos show soldiers/operators with a 1-8 or 1-10 With an RMR on top.

The 1-10 is so useful, you need another optic (LOL)

There’s more to it than just my jokes. But it’s possible (not ideal, but possible) to engage on 4x if a bad guy appears at 10 yards. That’s real hard at 10x.

Imagine setting up a long shot on a rooftop and then being surprised by Taliban stepping out of a stairwell and engaging you at 15 feet.

Thus the 1-10s are often mated with a red dot.

I have an NXS 2.5-10x42 on my SPR/mK12/precision build and an RMR on a 45 degree mount. (I am Ready willing and able to engage those ground squirrel taliban terrorists—the squirrels wearing turbans are dangerous). This works for a rifle that sits in the corner and doesn’t get carried all day.

But that kinda makes thwarts the concept the LPVO was designed for—a single multi purpose optic.


BMT

As stated earlier, there’s a trend towards a MPVO so the top end is more useful and a red dot on top or at 45 degree offset for up close.

I’m perfectly happy with my 1-6 and 1-4 scopes for the effective range of 5.56.

Give me more power and I’ll switch to a 3-9 or 10x. Still can’t do the red dot at 45 but 12:00 might be okay.

I would like to know more about the 45 degree mount, not for a riflescope but how to use a rifle in the daytime with a thermal scope on it. To me the "on top of the scope" looks more normal than a 45 degree mount.

The Burris PEPR mount I bought for my incoming 16” upper has two sets of ring tops, one with rails. I’ll try mounting a FF on top of the Credo 1-6 and if I don’t like it try the 45 degree option. Indoors, if it ever came to it, I’m thinking perhaps a light/laser combo might be the fastest Grandpa option for quick shots.

A couple years ago we had a decent snow and cold temps that lasted a week or two. My cousin was finding pigs bedded up under cedar trees but his love for 6.5-20 power scopes had him missing lots of opportunities. I had a 45 degree offset mount and a spare red dot so I fixed him up and he killed quite a few pigs with that rig.

I tried two different mounts but just can't see it being better than 12:00. I have thought about trying it again on my night rig but adding a white light and a red dot just seems like a lot going on for the rare occasion where NV or thermal won't work.

The cheek weld doesn’t change with a 45 degree mount.

You just rotate the gun and shoot.

Maybe it's because I run SOPMOD stocks but my eye never is in line with the red dot if my cheek weld is the same.

I’m running a sopmod with a 45 degree right now

How is yours mounted?

I tried both of these with a Sig Romeo5

Hmmmm

That’s how I have mine mounted

I need to play with it again but for now my spare red dot is on a new Ruger MK IV 22/45 “race gun”.

It’s not that I couldn’t make it work, it was just slow and required me to adjust my head. 12:00 is just more natural for me.

I thought the Warne mount would be golden cause it’s at a little different angle.