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So your saying our bill of rights is for anyone in the world especially if they illegally step 1 foot in this country? In your opinion of course. I'll never agree with it. The BOR is basically affirming basic human rights that apply to all humans. The BOR forbids the government from trampling on those rights and #9 acknowledges that the BOR does not cover all the basic human rights and clearly states that the listed rights "shall not be construed to deny or disparage others (rights) retained by the people". We are not yet to a point where you have to carry your citizenship papers for Gestapo inspection and I hope we can observe basic human rights. I am not at all pleased that the country is being overrun with 3rd world savages but it isn't such a bad thing that courts are recognizing the right of "the people" to be armed with firearms. The tone of this discussion leads me to believe there just might be sentiment building in some unlikely quarters for the rewriting of the 2nd amendment restricting it and all other rights to citizens in "good standing". Think about where that might lead. Then congress could define citizen in "good standing". I'd be happy to have it rewritten to say " citizens" vs persons. So you support the 2A, but.... So our BOR's covers the world? Tell me how an illegal can get a firearm with a 4473? They don't have Ss #'s ( otherwise they would be legal). since most countries don't cooperate with us, running the name, if it's real doesn't mean squat. How can they get firearms legally? I'm very pro 2A....for citizens. How many unknown illegals do we have in this country now? I'm sure you would love to arm every single one of them. I don't, until we know who they are. I gotta prove who I am to buy a gun, they should too No one in this discussion is advocating arming illegal aliens so repeating it over and over won't make it anything other than a lie. So you support background checks and proving yourself worthy to folks like Merrick Garland and others. Don't know why I'm feeding you.... You support illegals and their right to own a gun. I don't. I hate background checks on firearms but it is what it is No I don't support illegals. I am for getting .gov out of the firearms business and you apparently don't like that idea.
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Look at Strop10 post count. He is a government Plant here to stir up schit. miles I was kinda thinkin the same thing. Or maybe he's just the typical Lolbertarian, who is immediately offended at everything and feels the need to endlessly interject "but muh rights!" And we have another one opposed to 2A rights.
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I'd be happy to have it rewritten to say " citizens" vs persons. Rewording the Bill of Rights to say citizens would be a disaster. A congress with just a few more idiots than we now have could legislate the definition of citizen and a president controlled by the present ruling junta would sign it and a despot like Merrick Garland would enforce it.
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Look at Strop10 post count. He is a government Plant here to stir up schit. miles I was kinda thinkin the same thing. Or maybe he's just the typical Lolbertarian, who is immediately offended at everything and feels the need to endlessly interject "but muh rights!" And we have another one opposed to 2A rights. I got an idea. Why don't you open a gun shop and start arming illegals with federal money?
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At the time of the Founders, were full rights extended to the Indians? To slaves? To blacks? No?
Hmm. Perhaps they didn't believe in protecting Liberty for absolutely everyone after all.
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Look at Strop10 post count. He is a government Plant here to stir up schit. miles I was kinda thinkin the same thing. Or maybe he's just the typical Lolbertarian, who is immediately offended at everything and feels the need to endlessly interject "but muh rights!" And we have another one opposed to 2A rights. I got an idea. Why don't you open a gun shop and start arming illegals with federal money? I have no interest in arming illegal aliens and they should be deported. What were you and several others hoping for with a conviction besides erosion of the 2A, .gov doing something it shouldn't, and putting him up in a prison on the tax payers' dime?
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At the time of the Founders, were full rights extended to the Indians? To slaves? To blacks? No?
Hmm. Perhaps they didn't believe in protecting Liberty for absolutely everyone after all. Not to slaves. Now we are getting down to why you oppose the 2A as a right.
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At the time of the Founders, were full rights extended to the Indians? To slaves? To blacks? No?
Hmm. Perhaps they didn't believe in protecting Liberty for absolutely everyone after all. Going by some writings I've seen, they didn't believe women or non owners of property had certain rights either. The operative word there is "certain". Did they intend for the God given rights to be conferred to all humans?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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At the time of the Founders, were full rights extended to the Indians? To slaves? To blacks? No?
Hmm. Perhaps they didn't believe in protecting Liberty for absolutely everyone after all. Going by some writings I've seen, they didn't believe women or non owners of property had certain rights either. The operative word there is "certain". Did they intend for the God given rights to be conferred to all humans? As I read through the Bill of Rights I keep coming across words such as ''the people'', ''no person'' ''nor shall any person'', ''the accused'' and so on. True enough our founders left slavery and Indians basically unmentioned but was probably on purpose to leave it for another day and in their own good time those issues were put under the protection of the BOR. The word citizen isn't mentioned in the amendments until the 11th amendment and then it didn't pertain to U.S. citizens. U.S. citizens aren't mentioned or defined in the amendments until the 14th amendment in 1868. The BOR needs to be interpreted as literally and liberally as possible. We need to be glad there is a court decision upholding the rights of a person to carry a firearm on their person and still believe that in the next breath the judge should have said to the police to escort that person to the nearest deportation facility and get him out of here.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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