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I personally like the bit more horsepower that a .223AI or a .22-250 gives, but frankly Ive used them all extensively and the animals don't seem to notice the difference... I just feel better ( Comfort Zone stuff) on shots over 200 with the added oomph. ( 'oomph' is a ballistic gack technical term )
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Evan, I realize that it didn't really answer your question. However, I enjoy posting those pictures and thank you for your nice comment. I don't know how well they would work on large deer as my daughter's longest shot was 150 yards on a deer, and both does were less than 150 lbs.
This year she'll be using a .300 Savage with 125 grain NBT. She wants to hunt elk next year and realizes she can't use the .223 anymore. The one thing I don't like about the .223 is that it doesn't leave much if any blood trail. First, my wife says your daughter is a little cutie and I concur. We were amazed how much she matured from age 9 to age 10. Second, .224 caliber is legal or at least it was and I believe still is for big game hunting in Montana. Many an elk and Muley has fallen to a a .224 caliber bullet in everything from a .223 to a .220 Swift. I would not discount a .223 for elk if your daughter can shoot it well and it's legal for big game where you live. In fact, a .22-250 set up for big game hunting using premium big game bullets would be just the ticket for your daughter assuming it's legal where you live.
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I didn't know it was legal, and didn't think it was ethical to kill deer with a .223! Im shocked that you stunt shooters would put this out over the world wide web! You can be rest-a-sured - the 223 "wiz bang" 53gr TSX only added to the flavour
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The big one was with a 264WM
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Evan, I realize that it didn't really answer your question. However, I enjoy posting those pictures and thank you for your nice comment. I don't know how well they would work on large deer as my daughter's longest shot was 150 yards on a deer, and both does were less than 150 lbs.
This year she'll be using a .300 Savage with 125 grain NBT. She wants to hunt elk next year and realizes she can't use the .223 anymore. The one thing I don't like about the .223 is that it doesn't leave much if any blood trail. First, my wife says your daughter is a little cutie and I concur. We were amazed how much she matured from age 9 to age 10. Second, .224 caliber is legal or at least it was and I believe still is for big game hunting in Montana. Many an elk and Muley has fallen to a a .224 caliber bullet in everything from a .223 to a .220 Swift. I would not discount a .223 for elk if your daughter can shoot it well and it's legal for big game where you live. In fact, a .22-250 set up for big game hunting using premium big game bullets would be just the ticket for your daughter assuming it's legal where you live. Thanks again, I'm very proud of her and hopefully I'll post another picture of her this year with another deer at age 11. She's now 5'8" tall and wears a ladies size 10 shoe. She's growing much faster than I want that's for sure! I have no problems with her hunting deer and a 22-250 would definitely step up the power and range, but I wouldn't use it on elk. We live in Colorado as well and must use a minimum of .243/6mm calibers minimum 70 grain for deer, pronghorn, and bear, 85 grains for elk and moose. She asked for a .308 after shooting a family friends, I tried but the best I could do was trade for a M700 Classic in .300 Savage. I'm thinking the 135 grain TSX will make good elk medicine.
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The big one was with a 264WM Yeah - the guy who can't spell For some reason I always thought that was a 223AI kill.
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I didn't know it was legal, and didn't think it was ethical to kill deer with a .223! Im shocked that you stunt shooters would put this out over the world wide web! You can be rest-a-sured - the 223 "wiz bang" 53gr TSX only added to the flavour Stunt Shooter!
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NEF .223Rem 55gr. TBBC NEF Youth Handi-Rifle .22 Hornet 45gr. Nosler Solid Base
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Guys thanks for all the replies. I'd much rather be the dad starting his kids out with a light recoil in rig that there not afraid then a kicking flinching inducing bigger getter. Speaking of daughter's mine is nine and the rifle is semi slated for her. I'm looking at the xcr 700 I'll get a, wood stock and cut it down and I'll have a compact varmint rig for me. I'll later ad a 257 or possibly 2506 for jilly in lighter weight rig and that's as big as we go. Yes I got after her about the double finger on the trigger. My dad started me with a 3006 and it was years before I didn't jer the trigger off My son is coming up to so well definitely make use of a few more small caliber hunting rigs he's 5. Yes 224 cent fire is legal in idaho.
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Last fall I shot a 200 lb (dressed) doe with a .223, 20 inch barrel and 53 gran TSX. 80 yards. Blew up the lungs, heart loos in the chest. In just back of the shoulder and out through the meat of the off side shoulder. 3 inch hole through the meat. Dead about 100 feet later. 3300 FPS load. Shot a 150 pounder wth a 3000 FPS load out of the rifle two weeks later. Virtually identical wound channel.
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Miles thats, awesome I think my doubts are put a way the 224 bullets moving slower still get the job done just fine Thanks for the reply
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I was at the range this summer when a Dad brought his boys to the line with rifles to sight in and practice for the up coming hunting season. The boys were between 12 and 14. As I was shooting my 1911 I heard the boys fire their rifles. The rifles weren't very loud and the recoil seemed quite minimal. I look at the actions and the actions looked to be full size. I asked the Dad what the boys were shooting and he said the boys were shooting reduced recoil loads in .308 Winchester. This was factory stuff. He said the boys wanted .308 rifles but he didn't think they were up to full house loads just yet and the reduced recoil loads were the answer. When the boys get older and bigger and can handle full loads they will already have rifles ready to go.
I was quite surprised how mild mannered those loads were. This is FYI for any of you Dads out there.
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