Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Time to Disarm the Police - Gary North

Since a fairly large number of citizens can't be bothered to get off their ass to go to work or vote, I don't have a lot of faith in them coming to a cop's aid in the middle of the night.

As a taxpayer, I love it. Awesome idea. Barney can blow the whistle at WalMart. When the five guys show up with sawed off shotguns in less than a minute, Barney can simply say, �Folks, I�ve got a problem here. WalMart cannot keep rolling back the prices if too many people are walking out without paying. The loss prevention officer has a shoplifter in the office. Ladies and gentlemen, I need your help. One of you can hold the contact citizen�s shotgun while s/he confronts the misguided citizen. Somebody else can cover the misguided citizen in case things get hinky." If the amount in question is a felony, Barney can throw the violator in one person�s mini-van to run the guy down to the lockup and start a booking sheet while he gets the information.

If, instead of a shoplifter, it turns out to be an active shooter, Barney can act as a facilitator and give pointers to the entry team, suggest a formation, maybe suggest a decent way to deal with hallways and doors. I�m sure these hard charging citizens are going to take on the task like it�s Omaha Beach. (Just like they did at the Batman movie, etc.)

People who are interested in helping can put light bars on their cars (and sirens) so everyone will know they are the good guys and a part of the ready reserve.

Think of the savings. No salary, no sick pay, no hospital bills, no worker�s comp, no public expenditure of funds for legal expenses defending these people or the civil suits. It�s a dream come true. Also, you can�t beat a response time for backup of 5 people in one minute in the middle of a deserted downtown in a big city at 3 a.m.

Also, if it is not state action, the constitution doesn�t even apply. What could go wrong? If it is state action and the government is responsible for the actions of the �folks,� what could go wrong?



You threw in the word �training.� What kind of training? Many police departments are willing to welcome people willing to go to a police academy for many months and to work for free. There are not that many takers compared to the general population.

Carry on.

Yes it is a terrible idea for police/retired police to be disarmed ever for any reason, but police support for various disarmament schemes for civilians is completely reasonable.

Where do you live? I'm guessing it is not Wyoming.

I don't think you have anything to worry about it ever happening. If it ever did happen, police still would not have to worry. No doubt conservatives would be more than willing to assist LE in whatever they wanted to do so Officers like Daniel Holtzclaw

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...nce-victims-list-grows-article-1.2000120

would still be able to take the fight to the enemy with the comforting knowledge that his back up would cheerfully put one behind any whore's ear that got the idea she was going to bite down on little Daniel as he was ejacu...I mean, executing his official duties.

I don't live in Wyoming, but police are basically like any other chain with little variation from store to store. They want(and should be able to) decide who may do what.

http://wyofile.com/ruffin/wyoming-guns-without-permit/

"Some in law enforcement had opposed the bill, saying the state�s existing permitting system worked well by allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons after they prove proficiency in using firearms and pass a background check."

"Casper Police Chief Tom Pagel and others in law enforcement cautioned during testimony on the bill that changing the law would mean police would not have a chance to review applications first. A small fraction of candidates are rejected under the existing process."

No doubt the majority of WY LEO's support the various prohibited places on the following list(it certainly would be news if LE groups lobbied for the repeal on these)

http://wyomingdci.wyo.gov/dci-crimi...ction/concealed-firearms-permits/cfp-faq

5. Where is my permit not valid for purposes of carrying a concealed firearm?

No permit issued pursuant to Wyoming law or any permit issued from any other state shall authorize any person to carry a concealed firearm into:
o Any facility used primarily for law enforcement operations or administration without the written consent of the chief administrator;
o Any detention facility, prison or jail;
o Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section shall preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in the courtroom;
o Any meeting of a governmental entity;
o Any meeting of the legislature or a committee thereof;
o Any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
o Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic liquor and malt beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose;
o Any place where persons are assembled for public worship, without the written consent of the chief administrator of that place;
o Any elementary or secondary school facility;
o Any college or university facility without the written consent of the security service of the college or university; or
o Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law or regulation or state law.


No officer wants to run the risk that some lady they are wanting to grope in a court house or other safe area could retaliate against them.

If everyone was disarmed it would probably work out great.

Those words my friend came from your keyboard not mine. Suspect the programs that you speak of come from liberal politicians and their appointed lackey chiefs, not the patriot officers working the streets. GW

Neither do liberals. And Hitler. And blah blah blah.

It's just another form of the same thing. Everyone has the right to self defense and firearm ownership/possession in America. With certain very narrow exceptions. We've been fighting our various governments for restrictions on these rights for years. Now some here want to do the SAME? Just because it's a different group of people don't make it right. I can't believe anyone here even entertains this notion. Pathetic.

The recent shootings are a diversion. Gov is using them to distract you from real issues. They were convenient. The vast majority of cops do their job every day without even thinking of violating anyone's rights. Some are criminals. Most of those get fired and prosecuted. Just had a few of my cohorts arrested, so don't tell me it don't happen. And you know who investigated and arrested them? WE did.

These recent events in the news were completely justified events. Political figures and the media are playing you. And you are all falling for it.

It's a travesty, a sham, and a mockery. It's a travelshamockery.

DD, this was just directed at you. I just plucked a line from your post for illustration

sherp, you really need to ask Santa to give you �a life� for Christmas. You can�t seem to see goodness in anything, and you really cherry pick stuff to fit your world view. You can turn �some in law enforcement� on an issue dealing with constitutional concealed carry (open carry was never an issue) into �no doubt the majority� on a different subject. BTW, the will of the people as expressed by their elected representatives WON on that issue notwithstanding the view of "some."

I can find �some� who will stand for any proposition, no matter how ridiculous.

If you won the lottery you probably would figure out a way to gripe about something.

That dickhead doesn't espouse his "view" here. He is nothing but a liberal queer playing games with the guys who are too innocent to see it.

I think he is TRH

Nope. I have had a bunch of phone chats with THR over the years. He is a good guy not an ass hole like Sherp.

Where did he go? He's been here but not posting for almost a week.

He was arrested by a citizen, concealed nunchaku without a carry permit

didn't read it all, as I came in late, but this sure smacks of the type of utopian fantasy construct world that Barak likes to live in. Long on dreams, short on reality.

The "some" were police officers who knew what was best for civilians.

Still don't see any news about police lobbying for repealing firearms safety laws that limit where civilians may have arms in their possession, but do see where police lobby for further limitations.

Not sure why Santa would need to bring me anything so I would not be able to notice those two points.

Why do you get upset at people for noticing police just doing what they think is right?

I thought Audie Murphy was the Sheriff in "Destry Rides Again"?

I am not a liberal unless you are. I support the same actions by police that you do. Every time someone posts a story about an officer committing an assault and then wanting that officer punished, you and I are there together chastising the person and showing our support for the officers mentioned in the story to keep on doing what they want to do.