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Goodness gracious, Republicans are not anti-science. Rob has it right. There are sciences where you have empiricism, hypothesis/proof, repeatability. Those are "hard" sciences.
Then there are stacks of soft sciences where causal relationships are not subject to experimental control, like climate change. It's not like we have an effing "control" planet to run a series upon.
And then you have the Pew study -- if these guys are scientists, why in HE!! do they have ANY political affiliation at all...and why, when the cross section of the American public is center-right, academics are a complete, order of many standard deviations, outlier?
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Head in the sand, or just slow learners.

And by the way, very little of science is empirical...kinda shows your lack of the scientific process.

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Originally Posted by GunGeek
Head in the sand, or just slow learners.

And by the way, very little of science is empirical...kinda shows your lack of the scientific process.



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Originally Posted by GunGeek
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I doubt the validity of that 'poll'. I know a lot of scientists, both in Academia and industry. Many of them are staunch conservatives. Numbers far in excess of 6%.


I see true conservatism as being pretty far removed from the Republican party.
How do you see evolution and man-made climate change fitting into "true conservatism"?


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BS what a load of crap this study should have been printed on TP..


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You can make a poll show any results you want.

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Originally Posted by RickyD
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I doubt the validity of that 'poll'. I know a lot of scientists, both in Academia and industry. Many of them are staunch conservatives. Numbers far in excess of 6%.


I see true conservatism as being pretty far removed from the Republican party.
How do you see evolution and man-made climate change fitting into "true conservatism"?


I don't. I do see prudent management of lands and resources as true conservatism. I see fiscal responsibility as true conservatism. I see acting cautiously when things are unknown and "better safe than sorry" as a near definition of conservative. I don't see either party embodying those traits.


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So, forgie, you think the feds are doing a prudent job of "management" with their "science?"
Never mind the "precautionary principle" you allude to is right out of the conservation biology (itself an overtly political conflation) playbook of doing nothing, especially if doing something would be beneficial to human communities?


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I don't. I do see prudent management of lands and resources as true conservatism. I see fiscal responsibility as true conservatism. I see acting cautiously when things are unknown and "better safe than sorry" as a near definition of conservative. I don't see either party embodying those traits.
Hell, I couldn't have said it better.

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The Republican Party is not hostile to science. Don't see an anti-science plank anywhere in their platform. What conservatives have tended to do is be skeptical of agenda driven "science" masquerading as empiricism. Libs, on the other hand, are quite content with that kind of shoddy work because it's in the service of their political agenda.
Republican "science" is 100% agenda driven, give me a break. Also their anti-evolution bent is further proof that Republicans care far more about votes than they do science.

Just watch Republicans in congress question people on the subject of climate change. It's like retards trying to relate to real people (retards being the Republicans).

Not that I favor the Democrats on the issue either.


Prove it.


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My time in Pasadena with Cal Tech professors and graduate students who had passed their orals. And BTW they were from from all over the globe. There was not one who was right wing or conservative, not one was a government employee. The theory only "government scientist" are center/or left is complete hogwash.

Are you kidding? They had might as well be government employees. Goverment funding for Cal Tech - the primary source of their faculty/staff salaries - is MAJOR.

At CalTech - the largest federal agencies contributing to research are NASA, National Science Foundation, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Defense, and Department of Energy.[83] Caltech received $144 million in federal funding for the physical sciences, $40.8 million for the life sciences, $33.5 million for engineering, $14.4 million for environmental sciences, $7.16 million for computer sciences, and $1.97 million for mathematical sciences in 2008.
The Institute was awarded an all-time high funding of $357 million in 2009.[85] Active funding from the National Science Foundation Directorate of Mathematical and Physical Science (MPS) for Caltech stands at $343 million as of 2011, the highest for any educational institution in the nation, and higher than the total funds allocated to any state except California and New York.


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BTW, how in hell someone can be a gun lover and not be a conservative Republican is beyond me.


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For the OP....

Read this. It supports the PRC findings and explains why. Excellent.

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Originally Posted by LostHighway
My time in Pasadena with Cal Tech professors and graduate students who had passed their orals. And BTW they were from from all over the globe. There was not one who was right wing or conservative, not one was a government employee. The theory only "government scientist" are center/or left is complete hogwash.

Are you kidding? They had might as well be government employees. Goverment funding for Cal Tech - the primary source of their faculty/staff salaries - is MAJOR.

At CalTech - the largest federal agencies contributing to research are NASA, National Science Foundation, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Defense, and Department of Energy.[83] Caltech received $144 million in federal funding for the physical sciences, $40.8 million for the life sciences, $33.5 million for engineering, $14.4 million for environmental sciences, $7.16 million for computer sciences, and $1.97 million for mathematical sciences in 2008.
The Institute was awarded an all-time high funding of $357 million in 2009.[85] Active funding from the National Science Foundation Directorate of Mathematical and Physical Science (MPS) for Caltech stands at $343 million as of 2011, the highest for any educational institution in the nation, and higher than the total funds allocated to any state except California and New York.

"They had might as well be government employees". Not really. Can you claim you, anyone you know or any one here on this forum gave much thought to how your school was funded and it influenced your political leanings? Let's be realistic. No one at Cal Tech that I knew gave it any thought from the many conversations I had with them. Though there are examples in our history of the right smearing the left . Such as how right leaning Edward Teller threw Robert Oppenheimer under the bus during the cold war. "I have become death, destroyers of worlds" R. Oppenheimer after witnessing the first atomic explosion. Inspired by the Gita. The Gita lead to Oppenheimer teaching himself Sans Script. But that is for another day.

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A lot of people seem to think that the words "republican" and "conservative" are synonymous. These days, those two terms seem to be mutually exclusive.


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Read this. It supports the PRC findings and explains why. Excellent.

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Here's a good critique of Mooney's horse [bleep].

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/10/the_republica065781.html


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Originally Posted by LostHighway
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My time in Pasadena with Cal Tech professors and graduate students who had passed their orals. And BTW they were from from all over the globe. There was not one who was right wing or conservative, not one was a government employee. The theory only "government scientist" are center/or left is complete hogwash.

Are you kidding? They had might as well be government employees. Goverment funding for Cal Tech - the primary source of their faculty/staff salaries - is MAJOR.

At CalTech - the largest federal agencies contributing to research are NASA, National Science Foundation, Department of Health and Human Services, Department of Defense, and Department of Energy.[83] Caltech received $144 million in federal funding for the physical sciences, $40.8 million for the life sciences, $33.5 million for engineering, $14.4 million for environmental sciences, $7.16 million for computer sciences, and $1.97 million for mathematical sciences in 2008.
The Institute was awarded an all-time high funding of $357 million in 2009.[85] Active funding from the National Science Foundation Directorate of Mathematical and Physical Science (MPS) for Caltech stands at $343 million as of 2011, the highest for any educational institution in the nation, and higher than the total funds allocated to any state except California and New York.

"They had might as well be government employees". Not really. Can you claim you, anyone you know or any one here on this forum gave much thought to how your school was funded and it influenced your political leanings? Let's be realistic. No one at Cal Tech that I knew gave it any thought from the many conversations I had with them. Though there are examples in our history of the right smearing the left . Such as how right leaning Edward Teller threw Robert Oppenheimer under the bus during the cold war. "I have become death, destroyers of worlds" R. Oppenheimer after witnessing the first atomic explosion. Inspired by the Gita. The Gita lead to Oppenheimer teaching himself Sans Script. But that is for another day.

Seems like you are babbling I never said that the funding of Cal Tech influenced the politics of those who studied there - I said that they might as well be a government run school because the Feds fund the place with grant money. If you think the "scientists" who work there are not on the government dole, and if you think they would be working "scientists" without that government grant money, you must be using wacky weed. I can't say that being on the government teat is certain to make a person a liberal democrat, but I can agree that much of human nature - even the nature of "scientists" - is that they will give allegiance and favor to the source of their boondoggles. That is the point someone else made earlier - seemed to prompt babble.


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Chris Mooney? Should be Moonbat.
Went to work at American Prospect (commie). Correspondent for Mother Jones (real credible there) and works at the Climate Desk, which is a collaboration of
The Atlantic, Center for Investigative Reporting, The Guardian, Grist, The Huffington Post, Mother Jones, Slate, and Wired.
Grist, Huffpo, Mojo and Slate are all vastly to the Left of the mainstream, and Atlantic has really gone to Pravda the last few years.
Funding for Climate Desk comes from Surdna Foundation, the Park Foundation, the Rosenthal Family Foundation, the Fidelity Charitable Trust, the Vanguard Charitable Trust, and Patagonia.

Park is a zillionairess who basically bankrolls the anti frackheads in the Marcellus. Surdna, Andrus family, more commie libtards, Patagonia -- Fidelity and Vanguard have huge operations as a pass through for anonymous giving.
Yeah, Mojo -- I can see you are really objective when it comes to your sources about science.


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