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Well that's just dandy since it's illegal to mail order ammo here in NY Makes it that much tougher to get .22 ammo That's ok Dan, I can't order from Natchez either.
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American manufactures of 22 ammo are very inefficient or suppressed. Funny how foreign manufactures have taken over. Ever wonder who owns the foreign ones. This country is so xxxxx up. Losing all manufacturing abilities/ skills in all walks of life. Impossible to oppose a suppressing government if it controls all the means of opposition. Now their going for the internet next GW
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I blame two things.
1.) The internet (as Steelhead previously stated)
2.) No adapting by retailers.
For whatever reason retailers (for the most part) refused to recognize what was happening with 22LR. Retailers that had ZERO problem raising the price on the last six Colt AR's they had in stock, simply refused to raise the price on the last six cases of 22LR they had.
I don't know if it was because 22's are seen as an American birthright, or WTF they wouldn't do it. But they wouldn't do it.
I still believe that if all the retailers recognized the market value of 22LR, and adjusted their prices accordingly, the shortage would have ended sooner. A lot sooner.
But it's plain to see there are two markets now. Those that have, and those that don't. Those that don't will pay premium. And so the shortage continues, and will continue IMO.
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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American manufactures of 22 ammo are very inefficient or suppressed. Yeah. That's it. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I don't think the US manufactures are either inefficient, they simply can't keep up with the demand.
The problem is you're talking major capital investments to increase the output of a factory, or build a new factory. It's not like someone has the machinery to manufacture 22lr ammunition ready to ship. Heck, the companies that made that machinery may no longer be in business. So you're looking at years to get the new equipment made, if you need a new building that's more time and money and hopefully you can get a building permit and all other permits needed to make an ammunition manufacturing plant, etc.
So with a minimum two year possibly up to five years needed to get a plant expanded or a new plant built, what company is going to gamble that the same frenzied demand will be there that far down the road???
The best they can do in the short term is hire enough people to run the plants 24/7 for as long as the shortage lasts, then go back to normal production when demand tapers off.
Much better than them investing in a new plant, having the demand die off right when the plant gets up and running, and then the ammo manufacturer goes out of business and we have even less manufacturing capacity during the next shortage.
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Why was there no shortage of .22 ammo when Clinton was doing his thing? Thats the scare that taught me there is only ONE package size primers come in. 5000. Buy a couple of boxes of them every time I get around to it...
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Anyone here that works for or knows someone that works for an ammo manufacturer in the U.S. If so can you verify that their production lines are running 24/7? GW
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Anyone here that works for or knows someone that works for an ammo manufacturer in the U.S. If so can you verify that their production lines are running 24/7? GW No. They've been silenced by the government. Travis
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What is considered a "good" price per each for .22s? A nickel a shot was pretty good wasn't it?
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.08 and below is pretty good IMO.
Travis
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Why was there no shortage of .22 ammo when Clinton was doing his thing? Not sure, but if you'll recall there WAS a big scare about primers having a shelf-life. Primers got very hard to find around my AO, for a couple years. During that same time I couldn't understand why nobody was scared about a .22LR shortage, so every time I went to the store to check for primers (once or twice a week) I bought a couple bricks of .22LR. It took years to shoot up or gift away all that .22..........and obviously now wish I hadn't given so much away.
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Why was there no shortage of .22 ammo when Clinton was doing his thing? The last .22 ammo I bought was when Clinton was running. Still have about 5 bricks.Getting low.
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What is considered a "good" price per each for .22s? A nickel a shot was pretty good wasn't it? In the latter part of 2012 four to six cents/round was about the going rate around here for cheap bulk up to good quality high velocity ammo - Winchester Super-X or CCI, specialized target ammo obviously being more. I don't know what a good price will eventually settle out to be. I was one of those folks who stashed away a bunch of ammo before the shortage hit so don't figure on buying more for quite some time. 'Course, I'm old enough to remember getting a box of 50 rounds of good Peters ammo for 25 cents at the local 7-11.
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Anyone here that works for or knows someone that works for an ammo manufacturer in the U.S. If so can you verify that their production lines are running 24/7? GW No. They've been silenced by the government. Travis Thanks Travis You seem to be well informed. GW
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Fuc@'A!! 22 ammo is, most definitely an American birthright -
on high, self-evident, inalienable, bestowed and Democrat proof.
Try as they may, these sorry ass Mofos can't ban it.
price will stabilize @ a nickel a pop - word.
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