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Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by calikooknic
Just like raising kids, pick your battles.

Register the damn gun, refuse to carry, be allowed to live to tomorrow.

Fuggin marytrs.


I'm beginning to see your "point".



You're a Mensa member aren't you?

Point taken.



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Originally Posted by Pugs
Lots of ways to fight. They choose the nuclear and least tactical option IMO. They could have easily taken a more strategic view and fought the long view fight and have built a case and perhaps even won. Instead they went in hard and lost it all. Their choice but fighting doesn't always mean dying.



Your post contains such nebulous terms such as "strategic view","fought the long view fight",and lastly "they went in hard".Maybe you could explain these euphemisms since they seem to have no legitimate definitions.

The homosexuals wanted the bakery to participate in an action which the bakers viewed as a violation of their first amendment right concerning the free exercise of their religion.

It seems abundantly clear that we are living in an era in which the government denies law abiding citizens their constitutional rights,while giving some specially selected groups extra judicial financial rewards and protection.


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A bakery that has refused to bake a cake with an anti-gay wedding message has found itself at the centre of controversy. But unlike mirror image cases in which Christian bakers have been taken to court for refusing to bake pro-gay marriage cakes, this time, it is the Christian to tried to place the order who may face legal action.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...gay-marriage-cake-may-face-legal-action/


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Originally Posted by calikooknic
Just like raising kids, pick your battles.

Bake the damn cake, take or refuse the money, be open for business tomorrow.

Fuggin marytrs.


Yep spot on some battles just arent worth wastin time on.


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
A bakery that has refused to bake a cake with an anti-gay wedding message has found itself at the centre of controversy. But unlike mirror image cases in which Christian bakers have been taken to court for refusing to bake pro-gay marriage cakes, this time, it is the Christian to tried to place the order who may face legal action.


http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...gay-marriage-cake-may-face-legal-action/
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Originally Posted by sportingspecialist
Originally Posted by Pugs
Lots of ways to fight. They choose the nuclear and least tactical option IMO. They could have easily taken a more strategic view and fought the long view fight and have built a case and perhaps even won. Instead they went in hard and lost it all. Their choice but fighting doesn't always mean dying.



Your post contains such nebulous terms such as "strategic view","fought the long view fight",and lastly "they went in hard".Maybe you could explain these euphemisms since they seem to have no legitimate definitions.


Well, I'm an engineer and not a lawyer but if I lived in the liberal cesspool that is Portland, and living in Maryland I know liberal cesspools, I would be very aware of the militant nature of these people and before I said no I would have been very careful in figuring out what could go wrong. As a business owner in that environment they should be aware of their licensing obligations.

Take a look at the timeline - http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...6/07/sweet_cakes_by_melissa_a_timel.html

Having screwed up and started this, somewhere between 17 Jan and 29 Jan he should have been aggressively finding a large organization that would champion his cause. Instead he went to Facebook. He should have been girding his loins for the coming fight that really started two years later with an army of lawyers and special interests.

So, while he made a tactical decision to deny them the cake, he should have then prepared himself for a long-term strategic war that would have stacked the deck in his favor.

He made a short term choice and didn't consider the climate we live in. Sorry, but understand that or at least understand the consequences that you will live with.

Don't get me wrong. I don't care for militant lesbians or any other sort of "look at me I'm a little unique snowflake" type of group but to be naive as a business owner about these groups these days, especially in Portand is asking to have your business destroyed.








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