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Cut him some slack! He is still learning how to be presidential when he grabs pussy.

Major holes are being blasted in the swamp. ;-{>8

I don't like ones chances of proving that any surveillance was targeted at Trump specifically.
Its not uncommon if not unavoidable to listen to legitimate targets without in the process
collecting data on others in proximity.

Id like to see how they establish that Trump was the target, even if indeed he was.
it could be a tough one to prove.

btw: the articles says "potential " smoking gun , not actual smoking gun.

Likely all of our administrations are doing this stuff.

So, listening to legitimate targets and illegally releasing the info on legitimate legal private US citizens to 17 investigative agencies is ok with you though illegal according to the Espionage Act? Figures.

Comey is still in charge of investigating Comey.

Let that sink in.

I dont know, but If you like many others didn't stand up to protest the diabolical Patriot Act introduced by Bush,
then I wouldn't now complain about any such surveillance efforts, findings, or consequent sharing with 17 agencies.

People must be rather naive think that any gov. admin and list of agencies has not or would not abuse/breach such
new wide-ranging spying powers against US citizens. I know what dishonest slim bag LEOs are like in that type activity,
so just imagine what fed. agencies with far more reaching powers are doing on a regular basis.

I very well recall the supportive reaction of many so called patriotic Americans regarding the FBI wanting to crack
an Apple phone by demanding that Apple write a key program to allow FBI to pry into everyones Apple phone.
No concern or consideration that FBI might well share that security code breaking program with 17 other agencies.

Turns out FBI didn't really need that master key program written , because they then got an xpert to crack that
one individual phone. But for a good while they made out that they could not do their job without Apple giving
them what they wanted. ..So tell, who's side were you on, Apple protecting privacy of Americans or the Gov purse FBI..?

I think the real problem here, is 2 fold. First, most politicians are lawyers, and will NOT give a straight answer to ANYTHING. Things that look illegal on the face, are parsed to be technically legal, though the intent is clear. "Wiretapping", by "Obama", is specific. Legally, you have to prove EXACTLY that. Secondly, even aside from individual politicians, this is "the government", as an entity, working against the people and the law, to protect itself. This is why we can't prosecute individual politicians. It would expose a network of illegal acts and shine a light on how far we have gotten from the Constitution and the law, in the interest of maintaining the staus quo. EVERYBODY is dirty. Regardless of who is in power, things stay the same. Trump threatens this, being an outsider who does not want to play the game the way he is told to.

News flash....NSA has been collecting and storing virtually all phone calls and other electronic communications for a long, long time...their technicians can access them at any time...ask Snowden...

Lookee here, boys: the U.S. gummint has been spying on U.S. citizens since there first was a U.S. That's what all gummints do. The people in power like to know what kind of dirty tricks the people NOT in power are up to. And for the most part, it's legit.

But it wasn't really nefarious in scope or intent until more recent times. Even when that rat bastard Roosevelt gave that other rat bastard Hoover the power to spy on our parents and grandparents, the idea was to keep the truly bad people (reds and pinkos) from doing real damage to the fabric of the nation. At least that's the whitewashed version, which to my thinking is close enough to the truth to be acceptable.

But the problem was that Hoover was not content to confine his spying to commies and pinkos; he decided he was gonna spy on non-commies and non-pinkos "just to make sure" they weren't turning into commies/pinkos, and (whodathunkit!) discovered they were screwing other guys' wives, or even screwing other guys, and decided to use that secret knowledge to keep those people in line. This was small potatoes until WW2, when the necessity for spying on their fellow Americans became a strategic imperative, and the spynet expanded exponentially. The methods were extended internationally by guys like Bill Donovan and his Office of Strategic Services (which became the See Eye Ay), and eventually a whole bunch of 3-letter Alphabet Agencies. By the time JFK came along these bureaucracies were steaming along below the public's radar at a powerful rate, and they've never stopped.

That is history. These are the facts of the case, and they are not disputed.

And if things had stayed that way we might not have much to bitch about today. But times changed. When that rat bastard Clinton got elected to the presidency, he decided to steal a page from Hoover's book and started using the national spy net; but not only for himself, which all presidents do, he also extended this privelege to the Democratic Party. And in doing so, he awakened a sleeping ogre. With Clinton's aid and abetting, the spy agencies were flooded with Dem party apparatchiks (not that they weren't over-represented before, I believe).

So when Bush 43 took office, the "deep state", or the career Democrats in the spy net, remained staunchly Democratic, and by working to rule, blocked any meaningful reforms Bush might have wanted to put into place. Or maybe he didn't have any ideas of reforms in his head, but that's irrelevant to this discussion. What's more important is that the people behind the government who pull the strings for their own benefit saw that the "deep state" was finally so big and powerful that it could resist an elected president's agenda successfully, and even change policy despite the Administration's intentions. It was time to put a puppet in the Oval Office who they could manipulate to use this power to their own advantage.

So they took a guy who had never done anything, anywhere, but who looked and sounded good on TeeVee, and they made him President. And whaddya know, that rat bastard Obama "weaponized" the spy net, and a whole bunch of other gummint agencies like the IRS. What a surprise. NOT!

They manipulated the media to the point where the MSM would write whatever "narrative" the "deep state" wanted them to write, and to oppose any persons or ideas who spoke out against them. And they figured they had it made. They figured no one would ever effectively oppose them again, and they could do whatever they wanted forever and ever amen. So they became bolder, and even when their lies about stuff like, oh, say, the Youtube video that triggered the Benghazi attack.

They figured they had America so thoroughly in hand that they could put up literally the most corrupt presidential candidate alive, and nobody would care how flagrant their lawlessness. Since those rat bastards Nixon and Johnson both died without sons to go into politics and carry on their traditions, they picked Hillary, a rat bastard among rat bastards nonpareil. They figured they could get her installed in office, and use here just like they'd used Obama, and then they could keep on stacking up rat bastard puppets in the Oval Office forever and ever amen.

But then along came that goofball Trump, and a new form of news media that they couldn't buy off (the "alt.right media"), and sonofabitch, their sure-thing candidate went down in flames. And now the whole damn house of cards is falling down. The apparatchiks who thought they could flout the law are suddenly looking like they're gonna be exposed, and possibly charged and tried and even convicted of crimes.

Will people go to prison? I dunno fer sure, but probably. Not the big boys behind the whole mess, but a lot of appartchiks in D.C. are sweating right now, because they are at real risk of prison time and career destruction.

I'm not watching too closely, because the day-to-day developments are slow and confused by a lot of bad news reporting, fake news, etc. But I'm watching the strategic developments, and it's looking awfully nasty for the Democratic Party and its nest of commie/pink0 rat bastards.

That sounds like the exact truth. Well done.

Nunes to call both Comey and Rogers to a closed session of the Intel. Committee after finding "Concerning Info in Intelligence Reports."

See:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...er-finding-concerning-info-intel-reports

Who wants to be "a fly on the wall."

Congressional hearings have proven to be a complete waste of time. If Trump doesn't get to the bottom of this it, is only because he doesn't want to. Every single person in the Executive branch works for him and there is nothing so classified that he can't see it.

Trump needs to call these guys into the Oval Office and demand full disclosure. Anyone who refuses to cooperate or obfuscates should be fired immediately. And, that includes King Comey.

Same smoking gun?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nunes-backs-down-assertion-trump-was-monitored-n738151

Doc--good post.

Wow. NBC. The paragon of independent, investigative journalism.

The smoking gun is the fact that the IDs of US citizens caught on recordings weren't masked. This was a violation of their civil rights. Further proof is that in the last days of Obama's rule he issued an executive order that changed the distribution of NSA intercepts so they were availible to all intelligence agencies.