https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/new-archery-world-record-alberta-elk-hunt

Wow, 449. "He grew these antlers, I'm just the jerk who shot him."

It's a shame that more hunters don't subscribe to that type of attitude, it's refreshing.

Great story, really like his attitude about the hunt, and hunting in general, notoriety and credit to the animal. So happy a "personality" bowhunter did not take the top spot. Hope it is does not ruin his hunting area.

Gwrench: Wow!
That is simply a stunning trophy.
Good for him.
Thanks for sharing.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

As my cousin who "whatever he kills is better than yours" would say "In a couple years, he'd have been a nice elk" That' a trophy of a lifetime for sure.

Heck of a Bull. Congrats to the hunter!

Nice animal for sure. That photo looks just up to the day he was killed. Does Canada outlaw use of camera-to-phone electronics? Many here may disagree, but I think those things, and regular trail cams should be outlawed starting 1 month before any season. Either way, that's cool to get a world record!

this post of world record bull in archery is kinda misleading ,yes its a world record non-typical at 449 and is a great bull , but if scored typical may only score 350 or less ? the world record archery typical bull was shot in Montana a few years ago i believe and that bull did score over 400 B.C. too and was huge.

Pete53: I am puzzled by your posting - and I do NOT see anything "misleading" in the article submitted by the original poster what so ever.

Quoted from the article: "O’Shea’s benedictions must have been received, because the 55-year-old Albertan holds the new world record for non-typical elk. The 449 4/8-inch bull, shot in September on land O’Shea has hunted since he was a boy, has been certified by the Pope and Young Club as the largest non-typical elk ever taken by a bowhunter"!
End of quotes from article.

Seems VERY clear and concise and definitive to me - and again I perceive NO attempt at misleading.
Maybe YOU are saying you would pass this trophy up for a better scoring "typical"?
I wouldn't.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

yep

the words posted > " world record bull " is to general ,yes its a great bull elk in non-typical archery division > do you understand now ? did you ever see the world record typical archery bull shot in Montana ? its huge ,also the true biggest world record bull ever shot and it was with a rifle was called spider . > you just replied what the post should have stated Worlds largest non-typical elk with a bow , instead of saying just World Record Bull , there is a big difference your not comparing apples and oranges as the same. but it is still was a great non- typical bull killed with a bow .

Great bull, and nothing misleading posting this in the archery section and calling it a new WR bull...because that is what it is. And the lucky hunter will have a plaque stating such after the P&Y banquet in Reno in July that he probably can't attend due to US/Canada border closure.

please post a picture of the P.Y. plague so we can read what it says when he gets the plaque. thank you,Pete53

+3. Great bull and story.

The typical world record and non-typical world record are both world record elk. Are you saying animals that are scored as typical are somehow superior to those scored as non-typical?

yes its a non - typical archery world record .

Shocking development that Pete makes zero sense....

It's only a bonus that him and VG are attempting to engage in an internet dialogue. The pleasure is truly ours....

SURE IS ,DON`T YOU FEEL BETTER BEING A KEYBROAD TUFFY ? > YES GREG W. YOUR THE MAN !

And yet you called the spider bull the world record when it's in the book as 'Non typical'. It has a main frame of a 330 bull with trash, compared to the Ryan Bull it looks small.

Also the spider bull wasn't the biggest ever killed with a rifle, the Shipsey bull was over 502. B&C scored it, interviewed all parties and for undisclosed reasons didn't accept it.

And 'World record' is only the Club's record, B&C or P&Y... members only club, only relevant to members.

Kent

I feel sorry for you in multiple ways ...

This is almost as confusing as your infatuation with sharp things.

yes by all means give him a trophy seems everyone should get a trophy now days , in schools it seems everyone gets a trophy now too? but there is only one true World record elk period shot should not matter what it was killed with rifle ,bow or whatever . i wonder this : a professional football player killed a bull elk with a spear on TV so is that a world record too ?

Pete, I'm assuming you are referring to the Boone and Crockett club, when you say "only one true World record elk". Why did you pick that one, out of several record keeping clubs, what makes B&Cs record the only true ones, and every other #1 record animal needs to have a stipulation that it's not a true world record?

The real record Elk. Sadly the hunter lacked a cell phone.

No one will ever know the 'true' world record, all there are are club records.

When Roosevelt started the B&C the hunter wasn't listed just the animal. Now it's a member club and it's the member(ship) that determines if an animal is accepted.

The Shipsey bull was bigger than the spider, but I doubt it was the biggest elk ever killed by a hunter throughout history.

That was probably killed by that 2dogsfucking dude.

Kent

I think it is also important to mention that P&Y/B&C score critters (at least some critters) differently than does SCI. The same rifle killed typical bull (or whatever) would score differently depending on which method was used, making "world records" really ambiguous.

I'd like to explore the possibility of a standardized water displacement system, instead of a measuring tape.

Got that fella so rattled his punctuation and spelling couldn’t keep up...
Always knew you were a tough broad.

Pete doesn't need any help...

How does a legitimately taken animal, in a legitimately recognized class of animal determined to be a world record by THE official scoring organization, all of a sudden become the subject of an invective filled debate on an outdoor forum. I'm guessing we will now start debating whether or not the world record coues deer should even be recognized. After all, it is a sub-species of whitetail. Oh well, as long as we continue to eat our own we hunters as a community will surely thrive and survive. Good grief!

Pete is a special one.
I go back and forth as to whether he just likes to be provocative, or if he really does feel the way that he expresses himself. If his grammar and punctuation is any indication, it would be the latter I guess.

Well thats a nice elk! No matter what method was used, to harvest that elk! Also there is not a person on this forum, that wouldn't try and take that elk, bow, rifle or rock! Anyone that says otherwise, is lying to themselves!.

i would agree nice non-typical bull

I think it's an awesome bull. According to Pope and Young,it's the highest scoring non typical that has ever been measured under the rules of their organization.

Cased closed. It is the P&Y world record nontypical elk.

T Inman;
Good afternoon to you my cyber friend, I hope that you're getting the weather you need this spring and that all who matter in your world are well.

Once upon a long time ago, I was kinda/sorta trained to score B&C for our local fish and game club. Nothing more formal than a few guys who'd either been doing it awhile or had gone to a measuring seminar trained though to be clear.

Anyways, all that to say T, for horned animals I felt it resulted in a more meaningful number than antlered animals most times.

For sure for the outsized antlered animals it was less of an understandable translation as far as I was concerned. Moose, caribou and non-typical deer were the worst for me in this regard.

I'd think that a water displacement system would better describe such animals for sure, as some of the moose we tried to score, as well as the antlers with lots of say kickers and stickers on the base, twin brow tines and such just weren't somehow adequately represented - again in my view only.

The other thing that bothered me, enough so that I eventually gave it up, was that a guy could be driving up the mountain on a logging road after spending a hard few hours warming a bar stool, have a buck that scores X cross the road, shoot it and then come to the club for me to measure.

The next guy had backpacked in solo for several days, lived on KD and Ramen noodles, killed a giant that he brought everything out from - even the bones so his dogs could eat them - and this guy's buck scored X -1", so he doesn't get the trophy.

Now I "know" that's how life is and equally I "know" that we reduce things to numeric values in order to compare them. When we do, the numbers will tell the story and I get that.

That all being said T, I prefer to read about some guy who sits on a stand for 37 days straight and finally kills a whopper bull than some chap who pays a small army to follow a different bull around 24/7 and then drops in between other activities to off the animal, you know?

Anyways sir, the rest is my issue with not being able to come up with a numeric value for the "hunt story", but yes, I too think that some sort of displacement would be more descriptive on the really non-typical antlered stuff at least.

All the best to you.

Dwayne

Fully understood Dwayne, and agreed.
I'd be lying though if I said I hadn't spent days in the backcountry without seeing a darn thing, then 100 yards from the trailhead as I am driving out a good critter jumps across the road in front of me.

Bang.

It isn't how I prefer to do buisness, but won't apologize when it happens that way. I don't officially score critters though, save my big Montana wolf from 2009. I have no interest in doing so. As a result, my "easy" trophies are no higher "scoring" than my difficult ones from a numbers standpoint. I do however, absolutely get a bigger satisfaction from a rough pack out, rather than a 50 yard drag.

T Inman;
Good morning to you sir, I hope the day's warm and bright for you folks and all is going more than less the way you need it to.

Thanks for the reply and sharing your hunting experiences which mirror many, many hunts I've had.

Honestly if I think back on many of the whitetail bucks I've taken over the years, a bunch were on the way to or from a "secret spot".

A buddy of mine once opined that he'd rather be lucky than good. Once in awhile I don't mind a bit of hunting luck at all myself!

All the best.

Dwayne

Thanks Dwayne!

Have a good weekend!