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Posted By: LikesToHunt Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
I was thinking of getting into reloading to make shooting cheaper, but when I did a tally of all the costs, it was still cheaper to buy factory ammo (and that's not even including the equipment necessary like dies and presses etc.). Maybe it's because I'm trying to reload 300 WBY Mag? Or maybe it's because I'm trying source the component parts from the various popular sites like Sportsmans Warehouse, MidwayUSA, (because I'm a newb and don't know where to get the good deals). But either way, it's cheaper to buy factory ammo than to reload.

Another reason I was looking to reload was to get cartridges that aren't produced anymore, such as the 168gr. TTSX in a 300 WBY.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places? Like I said, I've never done it before. Also, I was trying to get into it without guidance from someone with experience in the matter, so maybe that's a problem too.

Costs:
Re-use brass I've saved, no cost.
Primers: 1000ct @ $34.99/box = $0.03per
Barnes 308 TTSX 168gr: $47.49/box50 = $0.95per
IMR 4831: 3632grams (8lb) @ ~81.3gr/bullet = $5.93per (IMR 7828 is even more expensive, if you could find either one)
Total = $6.92 per round

Granted, this is for a round that is no longer available; I can't seem to find anyone even listing the 168gr. TTSX in 300 WBY. But even if I swap that out for a cheaper bullet at $0.45per it's still an expensive round. This is also excluding the fact that I can't actually find the powder to do it. It's not available anywhere I've found on the internet. Powder seems to be the most expensive part, so I can't imagine it's much cheaper to reload anything else. Maybe smaller cartridges that don't use as much, but still.

Am I missing something or has reloading costs gone up so much in the past year, that I've started looking, that it's not really feasible to reload to save money? (Again, that's excluding having to pay for all the equipment to start up, even used, from scratch).

Thanks for any input.
Posted By: hillestadj Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
Check your powder math...

Grains, not grams. 7000 grains to the pound. 56,000 gr in an 8 lb'er.
Posted By: davet Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
There are 7000 grains (weight) of powder in a 1lb can. By your numbers that is 86 shots for a 1lb can of powder.

Yes it is cheaper when shooting a cartridge that only uses 45 or even 25 grains of powder.

My loads for 38 Spl use about 4 grains, so about 1750 rounds per lb of powder.
Posted By: hanco Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
I think it’s a lot cheaper to reload if you want a premium bullet like the 168 Barnes. It is the bullet I load for a pair of 300 Weatherby Kleinguenthers and a 300 Win mag. I load for around 30 calibers, enjoy reloading a lot.
Posted By: LikesToHunt Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
OOPS!!! I think I saw that at one point, but promptly forgot it and went back to thinking grams vs. grains. Like I said, I've never re-loaded before. Thanks for the heads up on that. What a newb!

Ok, I redid the math and it comes to about $0.38per round on powder.
Approximate cost is $1.37 per round total. Yes, that's much cheaper than $3-$5 per round of factory ammo.

Still, I'd need to get all the equipment as overhead. Maybe I'll start looking for used stuff here and there to get started. Anybody have any sites they like where this kind of stuff is sold used?
Posted By: VaHillbilly Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
If your main reason for getting into reloading is to save money best stick with factory stuff and forget about reloading in todays market reloading supply's are scarce and IF you can find what you need it will be expensive......Good luck.....Hb
Posted By: LikesToHunt Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
It wasn't the main reason, but it was A reason. The other reason was to reload cartridge's they don't make in the factory anymore for the 300 WBY. Another reason because it looks interesting to do. Also with the shortages, it's tough to even find factory ammo. If I ever do get my hands on some powder and the other components, in the future if there are more shortages, it might be easier to source individual parts provided you've got the parts that aren't available. But then that's why stuff is scare, people are stocking up what they can when they can...that and global shipping and manufacturing problems.
Posted By: NVhntr Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
You’re not going to find primers for .03 ea, .08 - .10 is more like it right now.
Posted By: DANNYL Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
You don't need to buy everything at once, just keep as you like and you don't have to buy everything new just watch the classifieds or do a WTB. I started out in 2000 when I bought the RCBS rock chucker supreme kit on sale, all ya need after that is dies and components. I have changed some things since but still use the same press today.
The classifieds here are an excellent resource for reloading equipment and components. Also, small local gunshows, yard sales and estate sales are very good for gear on a budget. It's easy to find stuff to reload with, just don't get too attached to a particular powder, primer, bullet right now. If that is your thing, creating a very specific load, just buy the loaded ammo.
After many years away, I am getting back into hunting and reloading. To acquire the equipment I need, I have purchased from the classifieds here on 24HR and I have bought off of eBay. I’ve had to be patient and often did not win the auctions I wanted, but I have established my price limits and lived within budget. I’ve picked up a Bonanza Co-ax press, Belding and Mull powder measure, Dillon scales, RCBS powder trickler, both a vibrating tumbler and an ultrasonic cleaner. Dies from Bonanza, Redding, Forster and Hornady.

I’ve also picked up brass and bullets from the classifieds here and also purchased bullets from Shooters’ Pro Shop.

I haven’t purchased any primers or powder yet, but I’m keeping my eyes open and waiting.

Hope this info is helpful.
You guys that think factory ammo (especially for the 300WBY) is cheaper than handloading, need to keep buying and shooting factory ammo. No need for you to start loading. Saves more components for the guys that know what they are talking about..
Posted By: hasbeen1945 Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/09/21
Most reloading equipment is not worn out because of use. You can find good deals on used equipment.
Find a mentor to help you determine the necessities you will need.
The accuracy of most rifles can me improved with reloading. My goal. Hasbeen
Posted By: 358WCF Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/10/21
Tools & equipment are becoming available at normal prices again. Powder & primers not so much. Not a good time to start, but with patience & some extra $$ it can be done. A suggestion is to borrow or buy at least one reloading manual & read it from start to finish. Not necessarily all the load data, but the chapters with actual text. Nosler, Lyman, Sierra, Hornady, & Berger are all good. This is to give you an idea what is involved. It may be a good hobby for you, or maybe not. A certain amount of care & discernment is absolutely vital. Close only counts in horseshoes & hand grenades.
If you don't already have a supply of components it's too late to begin now.

Reloading sections across the country are still mostly empty.

Good luck.
Originally Posted by 358WCF
Tools & equipment are becoming available at normal prices again. Powder & primers not so much. Not a good time to start, but with patience & some extra $$ it can be done. A suggestion is to borrow or buy at least one reloading manual & read it from start to finish. Not necessarily all the load data, but the chapters with actual text. Nosler, Lyman, Sierra, Hornady, & Berger are all good. This is to give you an idea what is involved. It may be a good hobby for you, or maybe not. A certain amount of care & discernment is absolutely vital. Close only counts in horseshoes & hand grenades.

Good post. The how to sections are vital to a newbie wanting to learn how to do things right. Even though it seems that a lot of us approach handloading differently. Still, it takes a certain type of mentality and person to load their own. Its not only about being meticulous but finding what works and keeping things as simple as you can... Learn safe loading habits, like keeping one kind of powder on the table when you are loading. No double guessing things, or you will be in trouble. Learn that brass prep is crucial to consistency, then don't skimp on working up a good load either. Some components can still be had for good deals, you just got to know where to look and how to find stuff. Other things are still hard to find, but eventually will be back on the shelves.
Posted By: Blacktailer Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/10/21
I don't count the pennies but to me reloading justifies shooting a lot more and I can tailor loads to the rifle and application. Other than 556 I haven't shot a factory loaded rifle round in the last 40 years.
Originally Posted by Blacktailer
I don't count the pennies but to me reloading justifies shooting a lot more and I can tailor loads to the rifle and application. Other than 556 I haven't shot a factory loaded rifle round in the last 40 years.

Exactly. I also shoot almost all handloads. I trust my own stuff far more than I do factory loaded crap..
Posted By: gte901m Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/11/21
Reloading to save money - that's funny! haha

Accuracy, picking the bullet you want, and shooting a lot more are the main advantages.

Its a year round hobby.
Posted By: VaHillbilly Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/11/21
Originally Posted by gte901m
Reloading to save money - that's funny! haha

Accuracy, picking the bullet you want, and shooting a lot more are the main advantages.

Its a year round hobby.

Good post and absolutely correct 👍......Hb
Originally Posted by gte901m
Reloading to save money - that's funny! haha

Accuracy, picking the bullet you want, and shooting a lot more are the main advantages.

Its a year round hobby.

You save a chidt ton of money, if you shoot harder to find ammo. Even stuff like 9.3x62mm. The stuff I load costs about $120.00/box at the stores. That's for 20 rounds. If you only load 223 or 308, you may be right, but I load for 300wby, 308 norma, 9.3x62mm etc.. Even match grade 223 ammo can be spendy. There are all kinds of savings to be had by loading your own. If you aren't, that is your fault... No one to blame for your stupidity, except for yourself...
Posted By: ALLongshot Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/13/21
You can learn a lot by watching videos on YouTube also. Some of them are really detailed and give you a real good break down of how and why to do things a certain way. Some.... I really expect they will blow something up one day
Besides what BSA1917hunter said, it allows you more choice in calibers. Try finding 6.5-06 or 338-06 on the shelves
Posted By: sidepass Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/13/21
Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by gte901m
Reloading to save money - that's funny! haha

Accuracy, picking the bullet you want, and shooting a lot more are the main advantages.

Its a year round hobby.

You save a chidt ton of money, if you shoot harder to find ammo. Even stuff like 9.3x62mm. The stuff I load costs about $120.00/box at the stores. That's for 20 rounds. If you only load 223 or 308, you may be right, but I load for 300wby, 308 norma, 9.3x62mm etc.. Even match grade 223 ammo can be spendy. There are all kinds of savings to be had by loading your own. If you aren't, that is your fault... No one to blame for your stupidity, except for yourself...




I must be the exception as I haven't saved a chit ton of money although my price per round is lower than factory. Might be because my inventory in brass ,primers, projectiles and powder is extensive compared to some. But I wouldn't have it any other way.
Posted By: Swifty52 Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/13/21
Originally Posted by sidepass


I must be the exception as I haven't saved a chit ton of money although my price per round is lower than factory. Might be because my inventory in brass ,primers, projectiles and powder is extensive compared to some. But I wouldn't have it any other way.



We have a winner.
Posted By: VaHillbilly Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/14/21
I do shoot a lot more than i did before i got back into reloading but i certianly dont save a chit ton of money, I spend more buying components for shooting now than i ever did BUT it is great fun 👍......Hb
I bought a Lee loading kit 50 years ago to save money shooting. Using a mallet to reload wasn't a lot of fun, so I purchased a Rockchucker. One thing led to another, and now I have a 8x12 ft room stuffed to the max with powder, primers, bullets, dies, presses, and other gizmos that promised to make reloading faster and better.I

That first round loaded with the Lee kit was the most expensive I ever loaded.
Posted By: gte901m Re: Thinking of Reloading - 11/18/21
Originally Posted by MichiganScott
One thing led to another, and now I have a 8x12 ft room stuffed to the max with powder, primers, bullets, dies, presses, and other gizmos that promised to make reloading faster and better.


This makes me feel better; I also have an 8x12 out building full of reloading equipment. Maybe we could carpool to therapy. I tried seeking counseling from my dad, but he suggested a bigger building and a second gun safe….
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