I loaded some 130gr tsx in my 270 wsm 65gr. of re-22 worked real well in it but anyway some guys say they think it will be to hard for deer sized game (at any range) I have normaly only shot seirra pro-hunter 130gr. they do the trick but I could not get the velocity I wanted

Tell the guys that they are idiots.

Better yet, ask about all the deer they have killed with said bullet.

Experience trumps guessing........

Some people are just ate up with it!!!!!


George

Solheim, if you dont like the 130gr TSX send them to me! I will use them.. Right now you are setup with a flat shooten rifle for deer and elk! Its a danm good combo.... I run the 140 TSX in my 270 wsm....

Solheim, they's work and do the job just fine. IMO they're not really needed. I use them a quite a bit as I want to load just one bullet one load per gun (4 the most part) and with the variety of game I hunt for me it just makes sense.

Bottom they'll do you just fine and have no worries about them.

If I read your post right it kind of sounded like you thought you might be able to get the 130 TSX to fly faster than the Sierra 130 and that my friend is just not gonna work out.

I'd say use them if wish to but not with the idea that they'll fly any faster, if that's what you really meant.

Dober

I was exposed to a rich fella that was told to ask me to help. His complaint was, he shoots a Browning 270 WSM and had never had seen deer run off after the shot, lost a nice one. When he called I told him that I bet I knew what bullet he used and I said Barnes, he said yep.

I switched him to the 130 Accubond, and now he thinks I can walk on water.

If you hunt heavy animals use the Barnes, or if you shoot small calibers. They are about the best made for these situations.

Anything from 264 up, do yourself a favor and pick the winner........

Nosler Accubond.

Bahawwwwwawwaa

Really?

Yep

Live and learn.......

Tim, why is the Accubond a better bullet for deer than the TSX for 6.5mm bullets and up?

Why are the TSX`s better?

Maybe I can put you in touch with the rich fella. He can answer it best.

Over .264, granted the under collection is more extensive..













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Tim,

What is it that you've experienced that a Accu can do better than a TSX?

Thx
Dober

No lead for one.
Less blood shot meat.
Less damage to the cape.
Better penetration.
Thats just what I have seen with the 10 or 12 animals I have killed or seen killed....

Scott, is that an Alaskan moose or a BC moose?

Thx
Dober

Alaska, many years ago.

Dober, I don`t shoot the little pieces of [bleep].

I shoot Accubonds.

I cannot say.

I can say they group horrible, B.C`s are akin to the head of a penis.

That said, mine will cut the right she-media just fine and dandy.

Yep, knowing trumps guessing.........

Exactly.....

So why would you offer advise on which you know not?

Besides the price to shoot a deer?

Gimme a break, who needs that?

Here's and Accubond's work, albeit under 264 caliber just to throw a wrench in the works.......

I can advise they shoot horrible, and that you dont need solid copper in anything over 264 for deer?

Wake up little suzy.

Knowing trumps guessing..........

Got any thoughts on anything else you have zero experience with? Compelling, give or take......

My zero trumps your zero knowledge.

Greenhorn come to mind?

Let all go out and arm ourselfs with solids for this upcoming deer season.

What we all experience is different to a large degree Tim but I have to say that I've found the TSX's to shoot incredibly well. I had only one bullet and that was a 185 TSX in the 33's that no matter how hard I tried I couldn't get them to perk. And I tried them in several 33's of various sizes and just couldn't make it happen.

As far as BC's goes, I shoot them to the ranges that I'll use them so with either dotz and or turrets to a large degree what the BC's actually are don't mean a lot to me.

But that's just my way, not wrong just different...

Good shooting

Dober

Wanna see critters shot with solids (hard cast lead bullets)?

Don't worry, I'll bet your Wheel of Fortune knowledge is endless...

Tim, my dad shoots cast bullets and last time I looked it was a solid.....kills deer just fine.....

Think his head is spinning........

Steelhead you beat me to the cast bullet thing.....lol.....

Actually, no, I`m not impressed by the hardware you have or the choice of projectile.

Looking at your pictures just doesn`t do it for me.

Braggarts go right along in the folder with all other undesirables.

I wide meplat cast bullet can kill better than Radovan Karadzic...

Read: I ain't got any practical experience.......

At 400 yds?

If you can peg out the turrets?

I could fill a volume with what you don't know.

That Bosnian Serb needs a cast bullet in his azz.....

Better ask Timmy if it will work, he is quick to expound on what he don't know....

I have seen about 5 failures with Barnes X bullets and one was a TSX that I shot a deer with at 100 yards, it was a classic double lung shot..I tracked a very meger blood trail for about 2 miles until the deer got in with a herd, so I had to give it up then I heard a shot and walked about 300 yards to a fellow that just shot a deer..He said it was wounded so he shot it.I helped him gut it and let him have it and thanked him..

My call on monolithics is when they work, they work wonderfully but when they fail, they fail miserably just like any other bullet, and I have seen them fail on plainsgame and deer size game..They always seem to work on big animals like Cape Buffalo and Bison..

That said, I know a lot of folks that swear by them and they have used them as much or more than I have, but we all go by our own experiences. I have never had a GS Customs Monolithic fail for whatever thats worth, but I betcha someone has..If its made by man it can and will fail..

The problem with bullets is too many folks place all their eggs in a small basket..If it works on half a dozen deer then its a perfect bullet and they show pictures to prove it..All thats fine but in fact it means absolutly nothing, it takes thousands of kills to prove a bullet and only time will tell which ones are the best.

One thing I am certain of is all bullets are judged by Nosler partitions, like it or not and everyone that has a favorite will tell you there bullet is better than a Nosler partition, and that says it all for Noslers.

To each his own and there are a LOT of good bullets out there today, much more than in my heyday with everything except maybe the old corelokt failed much of the time.

Woodleighs, Northforks, Hornadys, Speer, Swifts, GS Customs, Barnes, Nosler, Remingtons new corlokts..any bonded core or partition bullet is as good as a monolithic IMO, but that is argueable.

I have shot or seen shot probably on the order of 25 or 30 deer with the TSX over the last few years, and have seen several shot with the accubond. Not a whole lot of difference other than a lot of blood shot meat with the accubond. As to em not being accurate, nothing is farther from the truth in my experience. I have run em in everything from 33 down to 24 caliber, and they are a mighty good deer bullet with the right load. As to their BC's, last years deer(6 to be precise) did not seem to mind em being what they are. Shot one doe from stem to stern with one out of a 260 remington at a little over 200 yds and bullet was recovered in the offside ham and weighed 121 grns(More than when it was shot, weighed 120 grns out of the box). Shot a big ole non typical at about 35 yds with a 130 grn 270, and the old boy only went about 25 yds after the shot. Shot another doe at a lasered 275 with the 270 and a 130 TSX and she went about 10 feet and fell over. 2 years ago, shot a 8 ptr at a lasered 315 yds with a 140 TSX out of a 7mm wsm, dead right there. and it goes on and on with REAL WORLD experience with em. I have seen with my own eyes what they will do, not read a bunch of drivel on the internet about how evil barnes TSX's are. As Steelhead says "Knowing trumps guessing.......... "

I don't know, I've seen 50 critters killed with the TSX, how many more do I need to not be guessing any longer?

But let me move to Anchorage, and I instantly become "Lord of Death".

That means [bleep] down here.

Following Ray's statement, those that ain't used them at ALL and pass judgment are golden?

Yep, Anchorage, that's where I'm at.

Trust me Tim, I've lived in TN and I KNOW that ACTUAL EXPERIENCE don't mean [bleep] down there to pass judgment.

What a grand world you live in.

Tim are you getting mad?
and will cast bullets work on Radovan Karadzic?

My experience with them was pitiful. Poor accuracy.

My experience with custom Hart and Krieger barrels that shoot incredibly, would not be able to stay here if only fed Barnes.

Its that bad.

So why even consider the value of the hardness?

But you gave your opinion to a guy about them concerning GAME killing abilities.

Stay on point Timmy.

If you enjoy using them I`m happy for you.

I will not spend another dime on Barnes products.

I`m all the way on point, as the money I earned by a rich guy who was pissed at Barnes found another who agreed.

Slow down on the Crown and rethink my story of the one who hired me.

This is like talking with my brother's kids.

SOOO,, since we are no where near as great a gun guru as you are, how then do you explain us mere mortals being able to get em to shoot inside an inch and kill critters with em, when you the gun and hunting expert, cannot get em to work in your guns, what does that say? Hell, I can get em to go inside an inch easy with a crappy,inaccurate, ugly ole Kimber Montana long action.

Lucky..........

Tombstone - Billy Bob Thornton

And you are the middle one.

Older sister, and younger brother.

Cigar!

I can take any cup and core bullet and kill any deer just as dead as if I were using a TSX.

Gun guru I`m not.

I do know you don`t need a Barnes to kill deer.

Real difficult for some......

I've used Barnes bullets in every rifle I've owned since 1995 and they all shoot 3/4 inch or better...I guess the Tsx never really penetrated the Cape Buff I shot with it...Thanks Tim for straightening me out!

A fast, loud miss with a real hard bullet ain't gonna kill [bleep] either. Seems he is on point.

You feel as comfortable with any bear also?

If the don't shot for him that is one thing (experience), to guess on what they do with game is another.

You can kill a deer with a cup and core bullet thats true! But now you have lead in that deer that you feed your family plus more blood shot meet and a bigger hole in the cape if the bullet exits the deer...

Now you feel important, Cape Buffalo.....

The thread is about to hard for deer, jackass.....

You used to be kinda ok to trade barbs with, but now, at least on this thread, you turned into Stick-Light.

Insult someone you've never met for offering an opinion.

Degrade him with your obvious advantage in experience.

Post enough pictures to more than make your point 4 times over.

You've even adopted Stick's verbiage.

It's scary I tell ya'.

Lots to complain about when he`s in the back of the truck ain`t it,...

Deer or jackass? Which ones have you shot with Barnes?

So let me follow this correctly. The Barnes ain't needed for deer if you go over .264, the Barnes are to hard, the Barnes are solids. So a .224 Barnes solid is a better idea than a Barnes .264 solid?

Your words, not mine.

I think he is going to have to ask his rich friend.....

On the Bat phone as we type.

Hell, you can kill em with a stick and string too(Probably our bare hands if you had to), so what does that say about using and accubond or a firearm on em? Cup and core will kill em, as will a 22 long rifle slug placed correctly,,, but it ain't ideal now is it?

51.....

Dober

Alright Tim, how about a 40 Lb. oribi..and i got full penetration on that one too..

I'll be right back............

Wouldn't expect anything less from a solid.........

I`d really hate to think I had to hit a dog sized animal, much less kill it past 200 yds with a Barnes bullet.

You must have been awful close.

Barnes and Weatherbys go hand in hand.

Tim just because you cant get a TSX to shoot dont meen the rest of us are having any trouble.... It may just be YOU.....lol...

6th round ever fired through a Weatherby Vanguard with a Barnes bullet at a 8x5" Crown Royal box at 700 yards. No load work up, no kissing the lands, secondhand scope that had never been used by me.



Shall we move to the Wheel of Fortune questions?

You lost me on that one genius

If even us mere mortals can accomplish such a feat, you surely can do it as well. Got several witness' to some of the long range shots with that ragged old bad shooting TSX. DO I need to submit signed affidavits or is my word OK?

Nope, you can PM each others overwhelming ability to go kill [bleep].

I`ll just sit here and smile...

I can slow down.........

and the moral of the story is?

Change your Depends, that will cure the smile....

You could shut up, but you won't.

You`re right.

Not bragging or full of myself, Just providing some real world expriences. You are the one who jumped on here talking about how great some rich dude thinks you are, so who is impressed by their overwhelming ability?

Macbeth comes to mind.

Barnes Suck.

Any questions about who seems impressed with their abilities?

Yep Macbeth, "it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and furry, signifying nothing."

I can change Barnes users 1 sportsman at a time.

No No No The moral of the story is dont talk [bleep] about some thing that you dont know [bleep] about......

I guess being hired by someone who thought they sucked don`t count either.....

You got hired because he thought you sucked, guess you proved him right. That would make you a, never mind.........

Tim, whats that got to do with the price of eggs in China?????

I need a beer and some popcorn, this is getting better and better.

Time to go to work its been fun! Thanks for tonight's entertainment......

He`s better off now, to sad for the rest of the internet gurus.

Maybe you could get him all fuzzy with some pictures of you and the bears, I will send his address and you can see about trying to get him off those Accubonds...........

Funny [bleep] right there.....

Tell me some more rich friend suck up stories.

Would it be alright for one who isn't exactly an ardent X fan to throw the BS flag?

This thread is plumb crazy! I have probably not sent $100 worth of TSX copper through the bores of any rifles to date. My experience in killing has been only with the X versions. And I have had simply splendid performance with them when they have been moving well. My only issues have been at long distances when the speed is down. Still, over quite a few dozen kills with them - more kills than initial hits - doubles and all, my failures have been a small percentage. Shooting such a light for caliber bullet is going to allow more speed. That is a good thing if you're worried about a bullet not expanding (being "too hard.")

As far as TSXs not shooting at least okay, I can't say that they're fantastic - haven't shot enough. However, with this rebored barrel:



and in a bore that was already fouled with various other bullet types. I still sent three TSXs into a triangle well under three inches in any direction from 175 yards with a rested position(leaning against a driftwood stump). At least I had the benefit of the original factory set trigger - all creepy, seven pounds. or so, of it!

I certainly don't believe the X is the only - or even the best all purpose bullet out there. And no, you don't need them to kill deer. (They work really well on tundra deer however and never seem to bomb the edibles as multi-metal types can.) I think much of the ridicule here is BS however.

I don't have near the experience as most in this thread but I can discuss my experiences.

I shoot Barnes TSX's in my 22-250,257Rob,7/08,300WM and 338-06. I also losd for my brother's 300WM,300Wthby and 350RM and my buddies 7Rm and his son's 7/08 with a reduced SR4759 load. They all shoot sub-MOA and some shoot much much better.

I only started loading 2 seasons ago but so far the TSX's have accounted for 10 little SE Whitetails.....9 of those were DRT and the 10th ran 30 yards or so. The rounds that have taken deer have velocities that range from 2,200fps to 3,350fps. I don't think the Barnes is necessary for Whitetail deer but since I have spent thousands of dollars and months of preperation for the season I am not going to skimp on the bullet in my rifle.....I want the most accurate and best performing bullet I can get for a reasonable price.......For me that's the Barnes.

My $.02

Robert

Magnumdood:...by golly you're RIGHT! That WAS Billy Bob Thornton!

Just never registered.......

Scott: I'm impressed!

So if accubonds shoot worse than TSX's in my rifles that makes the complete crap for everyone right? They're crap and not cheap either, the same cost as TSX's that do shoot well in my rifles- they kill good too.

In my admittedly limited experience the TSX shoots better than the Accubond, FWIW.

For a "deer only" bullet I can't fathom using either an Accubond or TSX... something more like a Speer HotCore would be my choice.

For a deer/elk load a midweight for caliber TTSX or midweight/heavy-for-caliber Nosler Partition is my first choice...I suppose I could be persuaded with a heavy-for-caliber Accubond as well. Maybe.

In my experience you'd have to work awfully hard to get the TSX to NOT shoot well. I've shot it in 5 different rifles and it was accurate in every one...........with the first load I tried in each.

I've got no problem with how the Accubond performs on game, I've shot a deer or two with it, but I've never been able to get it to shoot as accurately as the TSX.

About half the rifles I've tried TSX's in didn't shoot consistently with them... the other half have shot them VERY well... My current two BG rifles like the TSX's and like the TTSX's even better which is fine by me!

The TSX might not be ideal for benchrest shooting but they just plane kick arse for hunting. In all my rifles I get the TSX to shoot under an inch. In my 25-06 it shoots .25 so it must be somewhat ok.

So does the e-tip suck to??

It did in the one rifle I've tried it in.

The jury is out for me so far... haven't done enough with them yet to fully know.

I just want to see the video of those crabs taking down that bear.

Those ain't crabs. Them's Alaskan bear lice.

Har!

The bear begged us to shoot it.

Wow you would be pretty screwed if they went to copper only in TN if the TSX and Etip are two hard.

How about people who mail other members wives pictures of their private parts---that would make you a, never mind........ Never thought that would get out did ya!

I'm starting to feel like we have a new E, only here in the reloading forum instead of optics, and with AB's instead of Leupolds...

Wish I could think of something intelligent to say......


I avoid this whole conversation by simply not shooting any TSX...at anything....

TFF

I'm sorry, but I'll have to call bullshit on that one. I've tried TSXs on every caliber from 416 Rigby down to 257 Weatherby and they are the most consistently accurate bullet I've ever used, PERIOD. As to the Accubomb, I guess they are fine on deer, but I've had way too many friends with significant world-wide experience that have encountered spotty performance from the AB. I used to think the TSX was going to be too hard for deer, but this past season I used the 140TSX on a few deer on our Alabama lease and they hammered them. Good exit sounds and massive internal damage. Are they "needed" for deer? not nessesarily, but ABs, not for me. jorge

I agree Jorge, it perplexes me a bit (not that it takes much to do that...<g> when people say that they've had issues in getting the TSX's to run.

Personally, I have my own thoughts on why that is but I'll refrain for once from pissing on the Wheaties...grins

Dober

In my brothers M77 UL the 110 AB shoots very well, in my .257 Custom the 100 TSX is better. Both are great bullets IMO and perfectly designed for deer the way I hunt them.

Heck, I've hardly had a problem getting regular X bullets to shoot, TSX's have been even more of a good thing. Of course my sampling size has only been 40 rifles or so, not including pards.

In fact, I've only had one bullet that ever gave me fits in a few rifles and that was the Hornady Interbond, but it does well in a few of my '06s so go figure.

I keep waiting for someone to challenge someone else to a duel over the honor of Barnes bullets.

I could care less if someone can't get them to shoot or don't like them. As with most things on here, what is funny is dudes proclaiming on which they have no experience.

If the question was "Is the Barnes TSX Accurate" than Timmy's replies would have some basis. But since Timmy has apparently not shot a critter with them, but he still passes judgment, that is what is funny to me.

Akin to the dudes saying a 223 won't kill deer, but have never tried it.

I agree, I've not seen a TSX not shoot and shoot very well. My 300 Win shoots the TSX in the mid .3 MOA consistnetly as the sun comes up.
As to the hardness issuse I have taken game out to as far as 777 YARDS and they performed perfectly...

RIch dudes.... generally had the sense to make tons of money but can be ignorant in rifle things.... just cause a hole was poked, who knows where it was poked..... phew, got that off my shoulders.

Deer wise, its been said, and truthfully, a 22lr is all one needs for a whitetail... but that a TSX won't kill a deer, what a crock of [bleep].... only from an azzholes mouth IMHO. I've seen many more cup and core failures and so far no X type failures from jackrabbits up to moose and eland. Heck I"m the poor soul that went to X bullets because a centered neck shot on the spinal column from a 300 wtby at appx 125 yards with a 180 partition(one of the top bullets for cup and core right?) only paralyzed that buck. He was over 200 pounds which is large for us here, and that bullet snapped the neck but was disentegrated on that spine right there as we cut the meat, jacket, frags etc..... I killed him with an illegal 22 pistol shot to the heart. Many years back already. Circa early 80s... Now if one of the best Noslers can't make 2 holes in a whitetails neck, I'd never trust a friggin accubond to do better....

I prepare for what may be offered, not for the best case scenarios.

As to the whining of bullet cost, if you are running Kriegers, you should just STFU... bullet cost is nothing compared. And I run Kriegers... I"d never complain about even a dollar or more for a game bullet, its small in the scheme, we are allowed 5 deer here. Lets see, I'm shoooting a custom rifle with a Krieger tube but that 5 dollars "extra" is going to break me.

Hardness has worked fine down to 30 yards for me so far and out to 802 so far....

Jeff

This entire thread is proof that thread count has nothing to do with the experience level or the veracity of a poster

From shooting deer with the TSX, No they aren't.

And here I thought this was going to be an informative thread... Shows how much I know! I've never dipped into the Barnes pool, I've always been satisfied with Nosler Ballistic Tips and Partitions for all of my hunting, but I will not go down the juvenile route of Tim in TN, I'm sure the Barnes work just fine, lots of dead critters to prove it. I wonder what life was like when people just shot whatever was at the local hardware store...
Selmer

The 165 Interbond is the most accurate bullet I've shot in my '06. Haven't tried 'em in anything else yet, but I'll be giving the 139 a try in my son's 7mm-08 soon.

I feel that someone who has never recovered a TSX from game is because he has not shot them enough.


And I also feel that if you have never experienced a problem with them it is for the same reason. The two below were recovered from a mountain grizzly.



BBerg.

Those below are the reason I like the new tipped version (TTSX) to initiate expansion...

Hell, the recovered bullets you have pics of all came from buffalo, wildebeest, hartebeest and grizz. I am terribly short on all those creatures around here.

Most of the whitetails hereabouts would top out at 200 pounds. I doubt they have enough mass to stop one of these pills.

Brad,
My conclusion, after seeking more opinionated advise, was that the bullets tumbled due to a slow twist and the angle of impact.
Under the same circumstance I doubt the plastic pointed TTSX would have opened, either.
BBerg.

Sometimes schit piles up...Had a sick dog I finally had to put down along with check cashing problems with a payroll check, add to that, unforseen bills popping up & a stroked out brother that is now borderline retarded that I have to care for...not a real good combination...throw into the mix an excessive amout of alchohol while trying to dull the senses & "PRESTO" the gladiator appears....I appologized... still no excuse...Back to this thread...I've been hunting deer for about 45 years. Killed em with Corelokts, silvertips, flatnose 25-35 & 25-20, NP's, BT's & Barnes. IMO Barnes is probably THE finest HUNTING bullet ever put into production. Sure I've not killed but a half dozen or so with them but they were all bang flops & bloodshot damage was very minimal...Why??? I have no idea. I've never used Accubonds so I can't really comment on them & IF I'd never used Barnes I wouldn't feel compelled to talk about them either.

MM, sorry to hear about Bear. The only time I can recall a tear in my fathers eye was when he buried our black lab.

I recently had Greg Tannel build me a 300WM. I sent him three dummy rounds of 180 TTSX in a Lapua case to throat. After barrel break-in, I now have four or five 100 yard targets with three and four round groups which can be covered with a dime. I had trouble getting Accubonds and VLD's to shoot as well. I should mention this was the first TTSX load tried.

I shot deer with both TSX's and Accubonds without any horror stories. I don't understand why people get defensive or critical over one or the other. I have boxes of each on my bench and have no problem with either one in my magazine.

I never had any reason to doubt Barnes claim their TSX has match bullet accuracy.