I did some searches and couldn't find a single source of info. Sporadic tidbits here and there. So, what have others found works with the 6.5? Accuracy, bullet effectiveness on game at 6.5 CM velocities, etc.

I've noticed a tendency for accuracy loads to be heavier, 140 for example. I have a box of factory 140 ELDs to try, along with a box of 120 GMXs. Right now I'm leaning towards a 123 or 139 Scenar, 130 VLD for plinking to ~750 yds and possibly deer and antelope (at less range).

Also, has anyone compared RL17 MV in cold temps to warm? I did in a 338-06 and it did exceptionally well. Curious if the same in the 6.5 CM.

Rifle - 8.5" twist, 23" barrel

123 Scenar, 44.5grns RL17, WLR primer, COAL 2.790, unfired Hornady Brass, 3002fps.

127 Barnes LRX, 43.8grns RL17, WLR PRIMER, COAL 2.803, unfired Hornady brass, 2988fps avg.

123 SST, 44.0grns RL17, WLR primer, COAL 2.790, unfired Hornady brass, 2977fps avg

123 AMAX, 44.0grns RL17, WLR primer, COAL 2.790, unfired Hornady brass, 3006fps avg.

125 Partition, 44.3grns RL17, WLR primer, COAL 2.770, unfired Hornady brass, 3001 fps avg.

None of the above loads showed the slightest pressure signs. In fact, I tested significantly faster loads (as much as 100fps) with zero pressure signs in all of the above loads but prudence dictated I back off to saner levels...

I've been lucky with this rifle - It was a barreled action purchased from SAS using one of Burley Boy's barrels. It shoots pretty much everything accurately, but the 123Scenars are SOOOOOOOoooo easy.

RL17 has been very temp resistant for me in the Creedmoor, loads chrony the same velocity from mid 20's to 80's. I don't have any "real" cold in AO, some people claim less favorable performance when the temps get near/below zero.

HTH

David

Thanks for the info Canazes, I am also looking for some good hunting loads as most info caters to the target boys..

Factory Hornady load data for the Creedmoor that used to be on the box.

http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f28/creedmoor-hornady-recipes-72233/

140gr Partition
43.5gr H4350
Fed 210
2752fps

120TTSX
44.3gr RL17
Fed 210 match
2922fps

Go to the 6.5 Creedmore forums. There's more than just reloading.

I found that after starting this. Yes, lots of good info there.

The 140 ELD-M with RL17 shoots well. Only 2630 out of a 22" barrel though.

.3"


Shoots the factory stuff pretty good too!

Good looking loads.


Anyone try Superformance?

My buddy is using 41.9 of H4350 with 140 ELD M and getting 2700 out of a RPR. Half MOA at 1k.

I never chronied them in real cold weather, but In my experience with Reloder 17 in a .260 it has been consistent in group size and elevation adjustments in varying weather for me. It only changes about 100 degrees here from summer to winter though!!!!!!
And if it lost 100 feet a second it would still be 100 fps faster then 4350 in my gun......

Tagged for load data thanks.

I've been playing with one. For 142 SMK, I've gone to IMR4451, 41.1 grains goes 2700 fps, shoots .75 at 200. I just ordered some 123 Scenars, 140 Berger Hybrids, and have some 127 TTSX's just in case I want to whack a deer with it.

43.5 / H4350
130 Accubond
FED LRM primer
COAL - 2.795
VEL - 2753

I can get a fair amount more velocity but 43.5 is the accuracy sweet spot in my rifle. (22" tube)

I got my creedmoor two weeks ago and have yet to shoot it. Ashamed....I had it throats for ELD X Precesion Hunter. I figure I can load to that spec anyhow. I have no doubt about the rifle builder I expect sub 1/2 rifle.

Been loading with RL 17, CCI 200 Primers, Hornady brass

22" RAR Predator 6.5 Creedmoor

43 GR RL 17 140 GR Horn A Max 2744 under 1"

44 GR RL 17 130 Nosler Accubond 2850 FPS 3 @ .56"

43.5 GR RL 17 127 GR Barnes LRX around .5 " 2840 FPS

Carefull with RL 17 it does not show traditonal pressure signs.

Very impressed with the cartridge and rifle wish it was left handed.

I know. It's been 91-97 the past two weeks here in Georgia. Not enjoyable to shoot a whole lot. Any break at all in weather, I'm on it!

I just picked up a Ruger Predator rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. Has anyone tried IMR 4064 with the 123 gr bullets? I ended up with about 2 lifetime supplies worth of 4064 and would like to find something to use it in. Was planning on starting with the 123gr Scenars.

If you can't find "an answer to what works in the Creed" it's because you haven't tried anything for yourself. Never ask an online question that you are able to answer for yourself, by doing work for yourself.

To the folks asking about Superformance and RL-17:
Both are much more stable with temps, than H4350, HOWEVER:
RL-17 is progressive, and Superformance is VERY VERY progressive in burning curve!!! Don't think you can"walk up the velocity" and gain speed withing pressure limits!!
Here are what the curves look like from work were did a few years ago.

P.S. if all you can see in this is the speed and pressure, you need you punch yourself in the damn face.

Much more??

What is the maximum COL the Remington SA magazine admits, please?

In the event you missed the memo, this IS a discussion board.

tag

Bringing this back up.....

I'm surprised to see such a difference in the Barnes loads you guys are posting here. Looks like 3-4 grains over what Barnes has posted as max. I'm glad to see that though as the velocity numbers that Barnes posts in their info is pretty pathetic compared to others such as Nosler.

LR

Tagged for load data, thanks.

My best load is the 123 Scenar with 39 gr of Varget. 2900 fps and .8 for five shots at 200 yards consistently.

Just picked up a pound of RL16 and some H4350. Anybody made up a load for a 140gn bullet with RL16? Looking at the 260, it appears RL17 uses the same amount of powder as RL16. I'll use that as a guide for the 6.5

My most accurate load so far has been 41.5 grains of H4350 with 140 Gameking at 2640 fps out of my 22" tube. A max charge of H4350 and 120 grain nosler BT is also very accurate and around 2840 fps in my barrel . I have some loads made up of RL17 with 140 Speer hot cor to try out this Saturday.

tag

I finally tried some RL16. It showed promise. Best group was 43gn shooting a 140 ELD-M. Measured .58 and clocked at 2682. 44gn was 2750 and still decent at .8". Single data points on the velocity, but it appears to be faster than RL17 or H4350. 41.5 RL17 is still the go-to load for accuracy. H4350 had good accuracy, but very slow at <2600.

Im about to start stuffing cases with RL17 and H4350.

In the Nosler Manual they loo an awful lot like the same thing.....no?

yes they are similar. Though I've got a tick more velocity with RL17. Applies to 338-06 and 6.5 CM.

Up again for round three with the 6.5 Creedmoor - this time without H4350.

Anything new? Anyone try Hunter, H100V or maybe Superformance (cheap), with 140s+?

Thinking of trying the Hornady 140+ ELD-M, 143 ELD-X, and possibly Nosler 140 CC (cheap).


147 ELD-Match? .697? Damm, that's new!
Found a little info here. 147 ELD match info

I've got the 147 bullets loaded up in 6.5x47 lapua brass right now. Hoping for 2700 foot plus but we'll see. Need a break from work but most of those have involved hunting the last 3 months.

30338, hope to hear back how they do. I think I'll try them also.

And the 142 ABLR, even if the BC is ONLY .6 or .572, or whatever, that's friggin plenty. Dug through the storage boxes and found 3lbs of RL17 so starting there, and a box of 140 CCs and dies too! Just need brass, bases and pick up the rifle next Friday!

Went and shot it today. 40.5 grains of IMR4451, CCI mag primer, lapua brass if only obviously and a kiss. 2700 fps, and very accurate. 22" barrel, bartlein 2b. Thinking this and the creed are very close for case capacity. The .697 bc of this 147 eld bullet is pretty impressive. Might have to shoot a doe with it in a few weeks.

This was in a 6.5x47 lapua. Don't use that load for the creed moor.

The new Hornady bullets are certainly getting a lot of good press, but don't forget about the 129LRAB. BC was tested by Litz at .550 or so and they're light enough to make good speeds.

tag

Hornady's info on the 143 ELD-X


Hornady's 143 ELD-X Info

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RE: The 6.5mm LRABs




129 Advertised
G1 BALLISTIC COEFFICIENT 0.561
G7 BALLISTIC COEFFICIENT 0.285

142 Advertised
G1 BALLISTIC COEFFICIENT 0.719
G7 BALLISTIC COEFFICIENT 0.320

Thank JPro. Got to thinking about that and found some good discussion here. 14 grains less and all the goods. That alf guy can sure shoot.

LRHunting forum link.
142 ABLR Info

I've used a decent amount of Hunter in the Creedmoor. It works well with 140s, though I prefer Re-17 over it for that. I've had very good results with a mild charge of Hunter under the 120 & 123 Lapuas, but 39.5 grains of Accurate 4064 (another mild to mid load) has been positively astonishingly good with them.

Darkker has loaded quite a bit of Superformance in the Creedmoor. I have a pound or two of it, but haven't tried to work up my own load for the Creedmoor with it.

I played with 125 Partitions using RL17 and RL16. A max of 44.5 resulted in 2911/.8" for RL17 and 2848/1.3" for RL16. Not much of a test yet, single three shot groups at 44 and 44.5. but RL17 continues to shine for me.

Thanks. I ended up with a bunch of the Nosler 140 CCs and tried five powders in hand. So far so good with IMR4451 but need to confirm. RL17 and H4350 (which I have very little off) did just well but the 4451 edged out the 17, or so it seemed. Not fast, about 2650. Hoping they blem a bunch of 129 ABLR as it really seems ideal for the cartridge as was sugested earlier. I'll look that way for hunting loads which I don't need for many long months. I did get some 150 27's and 210 30's to try and like the 'looks' of them FWIW..

Saw the 129 ABLR on sale for $39.99 at Graf's.

Tried the 125 Partition with H4350 and the 140 ELD-M with RL16. Only used two powder weights for each.

125 Partition shot 1.1" for both 44 and 44.5 with velocities of 2790 and 2804 respectively. RL17 was both faster and grouped a bit better.

The 140 ELD-M was shot with 43.5 and 44 RL16. Two shots with 43.5 were clocked at 2727 and 2721. The three shot group was .6". The RL17 groups a bit better, but is almost 100fps slower where it groups well. I will continue to play with RL16.

Anybody loading the 136 scenars? LGS had some. I have some imr4350,h4350 and rl17 on hand.

I agree with you prm... With a .6 group load up and down in .3gr increments and find that node!!! Larry


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Anyone try some IMR4451 and the 129 ABLR? I tried a few charges today and like the results. Thinking of trying a ladder test - though I've sworn it off before.

I had a chance to shoot some 140 ELD Ms with RL16 and RL 17 in cooler temps (12 deg). Ammo set out all night.

43.5gn RL16 2742/2749. Was a 2725 avg at 70 deg.

41.5 RL17 was 2578/2595. Averages 2630 in 70 deg (accuracy load)

100 gr. a-max ,41.8 gas. cfe223 ,runs around 3170 in my savage,fed.match primer,praise dogs don't like it at all,extremely accurate.Had a Lee collet die made up for the creedmore ,it was worth the money and creates really accurate ammo.

140 gr Accubond and 41/42 gr H4350 = DRT

My high vel accuracy hunting load : 40g HV100 under 140gr Nosler Accubond. Shoots 1/2-3/4" @ 2700 fps out of stock Savage model 16.

Is the creedmoor close enough to 250 AI to start out at low end loads for it?

Started experimenting with 140 Partitions and RL16.
No data for that specific bullet, but a handful of other 140/142 bullets gave me an idea of where to start. I only ran one of each through chrono as I don't like to have the magnetospeed attached when shooting groups. But here's what resulted.
41.5 - 2665
42 - 2685
42.7 - 2728
43 - 2770
43.3 - 2778

Groups at 43 and 43.3 were .51" and .43" respectively. I think that's a fine hunting load!

Thanks for sharing!
How full were the cases? 16 looks bulkier than 17, which I think is my favorite Creedmoor powder, and is never compressed (for me?). QL makes it look like 16 will be compressed with the 120-class bullets, and _may_ be compressed with 140 class, depending.

RL16 fills it up a little more, but not enough to be an issue. Here is 44gn of each looks like.

24"
8" twist Brux
130g Nosler accubond, Barnes 127g Long range
41.0g of win 760
cci 250
Hornady brass, fired many times
shoots less than 3/8" groups
3130 fps


3180 is a safe max working load; groups opens just a smidge

Thanks, prm. Looks like the fill is a little greater/higher with 16. Is that about at the bottom of the neck? (sorry, I think I must have walleyevision today) Also seems pretty similar to the H4350 fill. I don't use that powder, but I remember it leaving me a bit less room than 17.

Velocity seems very high to me, for that bullet/charge weight. Nosler data shows 2900 fps as a realistic expectation, fwiw.

Yes, bottom of the neck for RL16. No tapping to get it to settle. The picture really isn't very helpful. The 140 Partition may just start to touch it, certainly not compressed.

Back up for reference. Any more 129LRAB loads?

What rifle and what OAL?

Ruger American Predator. 22" barrel, 2.815 for all.

Thanks!

The center and right side were shot with Nosler 129 gr. ABLR and RL17 in a 22" barrel Kimber Hunter. I plan on working with the center load but will have to wait to summer. Fishing most days now.

Cartridge overall length should read 2.790 instead of 2.890

CCI 200 primer, Hornady Case, 39 Gr of Varget, 123 GR Horn A Max, 4 shots at .57" today at 100 yards.

LH Ruger 24" Hawkeye FTW 6.5 Creedmoor.

Encouraging, new Hornady brass, Fed 210, 140 Nos CC, 42.5gr RL17, kissed.

Back up for the believers. LOL

OK looking for 147 GR loads got bullets on the way!

Was able to get 143 eldx going 2812 fps average and an ES of 13 and pretty good grouping for 5 shots out of my 24" Creedmoor using RL-16 and Lapua brass.

^^Thats nice! RL-16 is pretty good in the CM to say the least.

6.5 CM 24", 143 ELD, Horn Case, CCI 200, 43.5 GR RL 16

2822 FPS, 3 @ .78" pretty impressed with RL 16.

use RL-19 out of all 3 of my 6.5CM

use RL-19 out of all 3 of my 6.5CM

darn nice shooting Alaska lanche.

I just noted the Lapua brass. This is the new brass with small rifle primers (vice something else reformed)? Looks promising based on that one data point.

Did/does Lapua make CM brass that uses LR primers or is it SR primer only?

Just wanted to comment. I've read the thread and everyone is stating speeds with RL16, for 140's in the 26's, or 2700's???

PRM, i loaded up 43.4gr of RL16, with a 140gr Nosler RDF running 2,894fps, solid node I found. 44gr of RL16 pushed the 140 @ 2964.
The only load I was below 2,800fps was with below 42.0gr of RL16.

I'm running the same string of powder charges with the 140 ELD's this week. Will report back those velocities.

^^What length barrel? Mine was measured with a Magnetospeed, so I'm confident in the numbers. Maybe one of our scales is off!

Just saw this sorry for the late reply. Yes it's lapua brass with small rifle primers I am using CCI 450 primers. Both 44 grains of RL16 and 48 grains of RL26 continue to give me 1/2" 5 shot groups consistently now. However the RL26 is 40 fps faster and I had more of that powder on hand so loaded up 150 at 48 grains and am continued to be more impressed with this load. Hard to not like 2853 fps average with a .314 G7 BC

I just finished developing a load with RL16 and 120 Barnes TTSX. 43.3 grains was the center of my node. Avg speed is 2897 fps. Shot four groups so far with this combo. Largest was .512" smallest was .201".

Thanks, I will be getting some 120 TTSX bullets from Midway in the next couple of days. I have a tread in "ask the gunwriters" about this bullet. If already there forgive me but do you have personal experience with that bullet ?

24" K&P barrel. I was using a regular alpha chrony, but I tested the velocity of factory hornady eld loads, and velocity was in line with stated published velocity. That was my confirmation the chrony was accurate at least. I haven't had a chance to re-test that same string of charges yet.

I have zero experience with the Barnes TTSX. This will be my first year trying them out.

Went back and retested the Nosler RDF 140gr, with RL16. I used a Labradar this time, to check my velocities. It looks like the first test I was consistently .2gr higher powder charge throughout my string than what I was reading on the scale. So my 44gr charge was actually 44.2, that was my max I tested. That got me 2,964 first test. When I tested my "new scale" that I used against my old digital scale, that's how I found out. Charting my loads and velocities, this stood out plainly. The trends matched perfectly together, .2gr off. All that being said, my second test with a true 44gr, I saw 2,905 fps. Found really good nodes at 43gr 2819 AVG, ES 7, SD 3.09, and 43.6 AVG 2894, ES 9, SD 3.68. Zero pressure even at 44gr.

I have been doing some forum reading, research, and my own curiosity, on pressure signs or lack there of. I knew getting 2,900fps out of a 140gr 6.5CM was pretty impressive/not heard of. I tested the Nosler RDF 140gr, working up .5gr increments from 41.5 to 44.0, to test for pressure. Saw none on my brass, bolt lift was normal. Velocity at 44.0 was 2,905. I then started .2gr increments from 42.0-44.2, velocity at 44.2 was 2,964. Same as before, no pressure signs on brass, same bolt lift as normal.

I switched to the ELD to test, started in at 42.0, went up .2 to 44.0. Didn't get past 42.8 before starting pressure signs and stopped at 43.0.

I decided to call Nosler and talk to one of their bullet guru's, since I don't have quickload and see what psi I potentially am at. It was a very good conversation. He did say I was well over max pressure, they don't have any data using RL16 but made a scientific guess. Even though I wasn't seeing normal pressure signs, the pressure was still there, potentially damaging other areas like the bolt lugs.

All that being said, I thought I was in the clear since I wasn't seeing the pressure signs but that doesn't seem to be the case always. That maybe a no brainer for a lot of people but I've read a lot of posts from other guys as well, pushing the limits.

That's interesting, thanks for sharing. I've always read that you can have pressure without signs, but never really understood that. I understand how you can have very different velocities with the same peak pressure, but not how you can have an over pressure without signs.

Variations in brass and primers.

Same brass, same primer, same trim length, seating depth was 0.020" off lands for ELD, and 0.030" off lands for RDF. From what I'm told, I haven't measured, the bearing surface of the ELD is greater that can cause a higher pressure than a lower bearing surface bullet like the RDF. Regardless, the pressure is there, and in my case way over pressured with the RDF at 2,900+ fps. The ELD I noticeably saw the pressure signs and backed off.

But to your point, those two things can also cause a variation in pressure.

PRM, I was curious about the same thing, no visible pressure sign on brass, primer, or hard bolt lift. I had read a few post about it, and that's why I decided to call Nosler. He stated, it can and does happen. A lot depends on how well the rifle is put together, blue printed action, custom action, or factory action. Mine happens to be from a top custom rifle maker, which was able to take the pressure, this time. However the over pressure is still there, causing stress on areas I can't see like the bolt lugs. He made a very good analogy about the bolt lugs because I asked if I had done irreparable damage to the rifle. He said no, it's like someone who does a burn out in a vehicle. The tires will hold up but only so long before they come apart, but eventually they will. All bolts have a finite life with a given amount of pressure/stress. Over pressure shortens the life.

My post was a reply to the question posed by prm.

WRT your experience, I would suggest that the ELD has a longer bearing surface and potentially uses a stickier jacket material, increasing pressure. The reason that you can be well over SAAMI pressure standards and not see traditional pressure signs, is the hardness/toughness of your brass/primers. They can withstand pressures over the SAAMI limit without deforming.

I started playing with 143 ELD-Xs using RL16 and -26.

RL16
42.5 2679
43 2710
43.5 2745
44 2762

Best accuracy based on a single three shot group was at 1” for all three groups. Not really great.

RL26
Worked up to 48 which showed 2737 on my Magnetospeed. Actually two shots, 2738 and 2736. A single three shot group was .58”. Worth trying again to verify.

Tag

Very nice!! 48 grains is what works in my Tikka with the 143s as well. But its getting 2850 on virgin lapua brass. For some reason now that same load is going 2910 fps in the once fired brass, but primer pockets are still tight and zero pressure signs so far good.

Tag

Ive got four good loads so far for 3 different bullets in a Field Craft. 40.0 of RL 15 with 129 Hornady and 130 Berger @ 2760fps, 47.0 RL 22 with a 147 Hornady @2700 or a little more. Those three loads were around 1.5" or a little less at 300 yards for 3 shot groups. I worked up to 47.6 RL 26 for 2760 fps and it shot moa @ 300 yards but that was before I got the seating depth squared away. This rifle likes the 147 Hornady around 50 thou off. Going to try the 26 again at the right seating depth. If it does what I think it will, 147's @2760 from a 21" barrel is going to be sweet.

Jim, that is some great velcoity...my Fieldcraft with an 18" barrel is just over 2700 fps with the 147....seems to keep 3 shots inside 1 MOA but I am right in the lands right now...need to work on backing it up some too see if I can get even better accuracy. BTW my powder charge was .1 less than yours...they both seem to like that amount of powder roughly.

Bought Alpha large primer brass any one with any 6.5 Creedmoor data with Alpha Brass?

Hornady brass, cci 200, 44.4gr of rl 19 I’m not a big money hustla like you guys I’m slumming it shooting 140gr nosler ballistic tips. Seated at 2.780 again I’m poor shooting these out of a savage axis 2.. no problems with the hornady brass either.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...264-diameter-140-grain-spitzer-box-of-50

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1...-diameter-143-grain-boat-tail-box-of-100

Seem to remember you gave me enough .264 bullets when you were moving I may just have to mail you a few boxes of 143s....still working through those BTW....thanks again.

I still haven’t washed my hand after we shook hands.. No need to mail me anything I’m back in Alaska took me 4 yrs but I’m back.. oh I buy seconds I can’t afford the non blemished bullets gees..

HAHA........riiiiiiiight

I have a bunch regular ol 140 a bombs to try out as well... I need to get some 140 partitions as well.. I’m no long range shooter and I’m setting this rifle up for my kid anyhow for caribou and moose..

Sounds like a good setup to me!!! As a kiddo gun was my excuse for getting the 6.5 I got as well. It certainly hammered the deer, caribou, and grizzly this year look forward to seeing what you kid ends up shooting with it.

Hey Alaska, can you tell about your grizzly please? Shot a big Whitetail myself but only that...drt w/1 shot (142ablr over R17).

Thanks,Mac

It wasn't mine, I just ran the scope and dope while my buddy used my rifle. It did take 2 shots to kill it, but so do other grizzlies I have killed with much larger cartridges at closer range...could be that unlike ungulates we shoot, we always keep shooting so long as the grizzlies are still moving.

Thanks, elk the same is what I was taught...shoot it til it's down.

Found a promising load.

Savage axis 2
IMR 4350- 41.5grs
Fed 210
Hornady brass
140gr hornady spire point (regular ol Flat base interlock)
Seated at 2.680
5 shot group avg .644 group.

Little more work, up the charge to 41.7 and 41.9 also going to try out the Eld-x as well and 140 accubonds along with the 140 hornady interlocks.

42.1gr IMR 4350
WLR primer
Hornady brass
143gr ELD-X
Seated at 2.181 at ogive

Good Load in my 6.5 Creed Moor 22" Ruger American Predator LH winter conditions so group size might be in effect.

Primer CCI 200, Case Horn, Powder RL 17 43 GR, Bullet 140 Nosler Accu Bond, 4 @ .83" 1-11-18, 4 @ .70" ,3 @.5" ,4 @ 1.17" Fog bad conditions, all at 100 yards, 2784 FPS

Here are a few loads that worked for me. I loaded for both a Howa and a Ruger American 6.5 Creedmoor, and I was surprised to find that both had the same preference for bullet, powder, and charge. Probably just luck. Both are 1-8" twist and 22".

130 ABs and 129 ABLR behind 42.5g of RL17 was probably the best overall hunting load. Around 0.5" for the Ruger and 3/4" for the Howa. Right around 2,800 FPS, and a little faster in the Ruger. I could load it hotter, but groups opened up I went up to 44.0g looking for another node, but didn't find it. I found the 130 AB and 129 ABLR to be interchangeable. Same POI and they always grouped the same at 100 yards, regardless of the gun or charge. 42.0g of H4350 had the same tight groups, but at around 2,720 FPS. Seating depth didn't matter much with these bullets.

A great youth load is a 100g NBT behind 36.5g of Varget at about 2,720 FPS. The Howa shot this under a half inch (6 in a row were touching) and the Ruger shot it about the same. Groups opened up if I tried to push it faster, but this load was the most accurate in both rifles.

The Ruger loved the 120 NBT behind 43.5g of RL17. 2,950 FPS into 0.7". The Howa preferred 43.0g of RL17 and shot the 120 NBT and the 120 Sierra Game King both right around 1.0". The NBT had a 2" higher POI, though.

Neither really loved the 140 bullets. I tried 140 ABs, 142 ABLR, and 143 ELD-X. The Howa did shoot the 142 ABLR just under an inch behind 41.5g of H4350 or RL17. Both powders at around 2,680 FPS.Groups opened when I went faster. I was surprised to find that neither shot the 143 ELD-X very well (1.5"-3"), despite everyone else seeming to have great luck with them.

An interesting observation was that H4350 and RL17 could almost be used interchangeably (within 0.5g) and get the same accuracy results. RL17 would run about 50 FPS faster with the 120-130g bullets, but they were about the same with the heavier bullets. At least in these two guns, anyway.

I never can use loads I see posted here. I just can't figure out how to get the bullet behind the powder.

The order of the bullet and powder is user choice

I have run 47.5 of RL 26 in a 22" barrel with the 147 ELD-M and am getting 0.75" consistently at 2768. Have gotten as small as 0.43" and more than a few groups at 0.60" or less.

I'm not super-crazy about running the ELD-M on game the size of elk so I am wanting to see what RL 26 can do with the 143 ELD-X and 142 ABLR. Anybody tried these two bullets with RL 26?

RL26
Nosler brass
cci200LR
47.3 @2861
143 ELDx
22"

RL26
Hornady Brass
BR2
47.7 = 2719fps (magnetospeed)
22”

The 143s were not bad on accuracy in either a few loads I tried or factory, while the 140 M was incredible.

Thanks. I picked up some 143 ELD-X and a box of 142 ABLR yesterday and will start working up loads this week.

I tried rl26 and goodnight it was a no go looks like I will stick with imr 4350

Tag.

Anybody have a really good 120 TTSX load? Mostly concerned with seating depths.

Anyone have good loads for the 139 Scenars? Going to give those a run in my Fieldcraft. Have RL16, -26, -17 and H4350 to start with.

prm,

Just last weekend I loaded up some 139gr Scenars due to Dogshooter's comments regarding successful results by him and his buddies. He also mentioned how easy it is to get them to shoot. Dog was spot on!

I loaded 30 rounds just to see if I was on the right track. Started at 41.5grs and worked up to 42.5gr.


Tikka CTR 20" Barrel
RL-17
42.5gr Max load (no signs of pressure)
.015 off lands
3 shot average 2699fps - Magnetospeed

Following is the 100yd 42.5 grain target (can't figure out how it got rotated - the pic is fine on my desktop). The 41.5 target looked similar. The center group was with the Magnetospeed attached.

Going this weekend to shoot the 42.5 loads in bigger groups to see how they hold up.

I also have H4350 and RL-16 that I will try at some point.



Glen

30 grains of 4198, 100 grain Ballistic Tip...

Looks like I need to try RL26

https://www.speer-ammo.com/download...mm_264_dia/65_Creedmoor_Gold_Dot_140.pdf

I think that speer data is pretty close. I got 2889 fps with 140 Interlocks and 47 grains of Re 26.

43.0 H4350 2.710

For Predator, Fire Formed, neck turned. .0015 run out.

For long range target applications you may get great results with the ALCO line of bullets. Very high BCs. Have not applied them to hunting...yet.

This is weird......very weird......that's exactly where I wound up in my Tikka T3x. Around .7 MOA.

I just saw that Federal now has a decent selection of factory ammo for the 6.5 Creedmoor. I asked them about a component Edge TLR or Trophy Bonded Tip bullet and they basically waffled and said it was possible, but not this year. Either of those in a 140ish grain bullet would be a nice addition.

Did you ever get to shoot the 139s with RL16?

Not yet. Hope to get out this weekend and try the RL16. I'll post the results when I do.

Glen

I see Alliant only has the 6.5CM listed with R-16 data - so I'm off to the lgs. I'll start with a pounder and maybe get an 8#er later.

Anyone tried Big Game?

I've had good results with IMR 4064 and PowerPro 2000-MR with 120 grain AMAX/ELD-Ms. Bug hole accuracy and 2930 fps from a 21" RAR. Although a little dirty H414 and a 130 gr ELD-M gives me 2850 from the same rifle.

Finally had a chance to start loading for my Barrett Fieldcraft.

147 ELD-M, 47.8 RL26, BR2, 2760 FPS, .48” group.

139 Scenar, 43.7 RL16, BR2, 2742 FPS, .6”

140 Berger VLD Hunting, 43.7 RL16, BR2, 2766, .53”

127 Barnes LRX, 44.8 RL16, BR2, 2943 FPS, .56”

I wouldn’t hesitate to use any of these for hunting. For LR plinking that 147 would be the ticket. I still to play with seating depths and possibly refine the powder charges.

Hi everyone im new to the Forum.

I own 3 6.5 creedmoors. A RPR a savage 10fcp sr and a kimber loghtweight hunter. My go to load for the RPR and the savage is Lapua brass CCI#450 41.2gr of H4350 with a 140gr RDF velocity is 2725fps SD's run from 4 to 7 and even had an ES of 1 and SD of 0 once but that was only a 3 shot group the load repeatably shoots sub 1/2 minute groups in both guns and shoots very well all the way out to 1150yds.

I am currently trying to develop an elk hunting load for the kimber it has a 22" barrell and Im trying 140gr accubonds with RL-16 powder the magazine on the kimber only allows me to load to 2.800" OAL I havent got a chance to shoot any yet but today when I was loading up a ladder test I found that at around 41.8gr of RL-16 I started hearing the powder crunch down when I was seating my bullets. Reading through this post I see a lot of you guys are using quite a bit more powder than that and I was wondering if you guys are just loading longer or are you just shooting compressed loads

I have shot compressed loads in about every cartridge that I own, over the years. Compressed loads are fine. You have got to play within the confines of your magazine and compressed loads are very common in short cartridges.

So far my two are H4350 and R-16. Still getting velocities and patterns cataloged in order to decide. This with a 22" laminated Tikka and a 24" SS Tikka. Concentrating on 143 ELD-X's @ SAAMI 2.810". At this point, they all look darn good but I'll keep recording the data. Most likely will go to AK. next month with a CM for caribou.

Sounds fun! Happy hunting.

Todays session involved two rifles, two bullets and R-16.
1. 44gr. R-16 with a 130gr. Acc. went 2742fps with a 22" Tikka.

2. Same as above with a 24" barreled Tikka went 2761fps.

3. 43gr. R-16 with a 143ELD-X and a 22" barrel went 2653fps

4. Same as above in a 24" barreled Tikka went 2697fps and a 5 shot group that measured 1/2". OAL was 2.800"

Six range sessions to date consistently show R-16 edges out H4350 in velocity - granted not by much. No downside to accuracy either. An extra grain of H4350 may catch-up but no need to hot rod.

I’ve shot quite a few combinations in my new 6.5 lately. I’ve settled on 140 Berger Hunting VLDs with 43.7 RL16 and BR2s for hunting deer and elk and longer range plinking. Consistently shoots .4-.7 in my Fieldcraft. Last three were clocked by labradar at 2778, 2775, 2776. I’ve been trying different support combinations at the bench so group sizes have varied a bit more than normal.

130 Sierra Tipped Gamekings have been a disappointment. Best group I could get with RL16 was at 44.5gn for groups of .9-1.0. Only three shots each. Velocity was 2850s. Switched to RL17 and had slightly better accuracy on average. .85” at 42.6gn (2832, 2812, 2820). 1.0” at 43.2. Only one reading of 2850.

The Bergers continue to impress. These average roughly 2755 FPS. Not sure about velocity changes day to day. These were recorded with a Labradar and depending on where it picks the bullet up it could vary. Seems plausible anyway. Will take it out to 500yds this weekend.

Hondo64d bump....

David

That's a great spot to be with that bullet....

I run Bergers at about 2800 MV and they impress way down the impact velocity window...

Many thanks!

John

Tikka T3X CTR, 24" Barrel...
Norma Brass, cci BR2, 43.5 H4350, 139 Scenar, 2.890" - 2840 average - shoots 5 shots under 1/2" and velocity drops verified to 800 yards

Reloader 26 is like pixie dust in the 6.5 CM...
48 grs with 140 Amax was ~2900 in a 24” barrel. 1/2” 3 shot group.... no pressure signs...

What primer/case on that 2,900fps load? I've got some 143's and a jug of R26 to start playing with.

Hornady brass with CCI200. Don’t try Federal brass as it’s short on capacity.

Noted. Appreciate it......

24” Bartlein 5R, 8” twist chambered by Jon Beanland.

Hornady Brass
42.8gr H4350
140gr ELD
Tula LRM primer
BTO 2.117”

.309” for five shots. Four of them went into .148”.
Haven’t chronoed them yet.

John

Hard to beat that. Nice!

First time loading the 6.5 CM, used some Big game with 120 Bt and achieved 1" groups. Next was H4350 and dang that was easy. I don't load for the highest velocity and accuracy, just trying to find a good hunting load.


Lapua brass
45 H4350
120 gr BT
CCI 450
.5 grp

I didn't bother to work a load for the new Creed. Just used the same stuff I shoot in my others.....
42.5 H4350, CCI 200's and 140 amaxs.

My Creedmoor likes 40.1gr Varget behind the 130gr Berger AR Hybrid in Hornady brass. About 2900fps from my 24" Bartlein. Warm load so work up carefully. These are 10 shot groups.

John

no pressure signs?
barrel length?
velocity?

147ELD, H4350/IMR4451, Tula primers and decent brass (I've been very happy with Alpha) have been gold in a handful of 6.5CMs now. Barretts, RAR-Ps, Tikkas. Great accuracy, low ES/SD, and very consistent LR performance. Super easy load development, I'm a big fan.

Moly’d 143 Hornady ELDX. 41.3 grains of RL 17. Federal 210M primer Hornady Brass. Savage Axis. 1:8 22” SWFA 6X MOA Quad One hole five shots at 100 yards.

RL17 meters like ball powder and with this result I will be shooting this combo for a long time.

I found that same load with 143 ELDX’s. Fed 210M primers though.

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was this not a HOT load for you?? 42.4 in Alpha Brass was too hot in my 20" Proof. maybe the Hornady Brass is more forgiving?

Alpha has a bunch less case capacity than Horn.

thought so, thank you !!!

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Still investigating but ran a pressure series with 7828ssc behind 147gr ELDs today. 10 rounds with .5gr between charges. Started at 42gr and ended at 46.5gr. 46.5gr gave 2886fps. Primer was a little flat but no heavy bolt lift and no ejector mark. All ten rounds went into a group a little over an inch. Not going to go any higher though..,

Winds permitting, group testing tomorrow...

John

That is smokin' for a 147! I only run them at about 2745, over re 26.

Yeah, you don’t get something for nothing. My group testing will center around the charges that gave 2800 fps or less.

John

Grouped 3 different charges, 44, 44.4, and 44.8gr. None of them showed me anything special, grouping about .8” for five shots. Extreme spreads weren’t great either, running about 37fps. I’m going to load some up and see how they do at long range just for grins.

John

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Shooter71 spun on a Hawkhill #2 8 twist for me. Chopped it at 22". Goal was to build a factory ammo shooter for my daughter. So pulled a low round count Hart #2 in 260 Remington to do it. First 3 shots ever down the barrel was Berger Factory Ammo 135 Classics. Those went around .4" to start things off. They held that accuracy out to 500 yards within the first box of 20 factory rounds.

It then shot the 140 vld and 147 ELD handloaded stuff quite well too. Most info should be on the targets. These were all among the first 30 rounds ever fired in it.

Shooter71 did give this one a .150 throat so I can hit the lands at around 2.805 with the 147 eld and 140 vld.

Good smith, good Lapua brass, good barrel, pretty easy to work with.

30 grains of 4198, and a 100 grain Ballistic Tip....

it will impress your friends or really piss them off....

Alpha brass,.003" constriction,200's,'17 and a 147 Smooch.

Hint...…………………..

Was raining today, so the ProChrono didn't get brought out, but I think the RL26 may indeed be the ticket. Hornady brass, CCI200, and the 143ELD-X over 47 and 48 grains both shot around a half inch at 100yds. No pressure signs at 70F. Bergara HMR. 2.855" OAL. Not bad for a used factory rifle and cheap brass.

Was only able to get about 45 grains of RL26 in my case due to a shorter throat.CCI small rifle mag primer, lapua brass. Shoots the 147 eld well with that powder too.

Shot more RL26 after this with 45.5 grains and 147 eld. Muzzle velocity is 2700 fps and holding around .3-.4" off bench.

Yep

Varget has characteristically low S.D's, great consistency, popular with the target crowd and for good reason.

DF

I know, different strokes, but any load that puts five shots from a hunting rifle into .8” at 100 yds. is special in my opinion.

Looks great, what brass, primer? I have a lot of Varget that needs used.

Hornady brass, Fed 210 primers, Hornady dies.

I think Varget is a good choice with light bullets. Varget is known for low SD’s, consistent performance, probably one of the reasons why the target crowd likes it.

I’d probably try RL-26 with 147’s.

BTW, I use Lapua brass when and where I can. IME, this Hornady brass is very good. The batch I’m using is pretty close to Lapua. Some may squawk at that. Just reporting, you decide.

DF

I'll try some Varget with the 120's, if I can get the groups like the H4350 I'll be happy. Currently using Lapua brass also but do have some Starlline to try sometime.

Doesn't Lapua CM brass use small rifle primers?

If so, I'd go with 450's...

I prefer LR primers in a case that size.

DF

This was out of my match gun with an M24 contour barrel. Not your typical hunting rig. With loads it likes, .3s and .4s are pretty common. Attached one below. This one was actually .291” Same load as the ten shot groups I posted on one of the previous pages.

John

Yes that's what I use is 450's primers , with 120 Bt.

I like good hunting rifles to group better than .8 5 shot groups as well. .8 avg for 10 shots is even mo betta:




.6 is even better:


But a good lightweight hunting rifle. I'll take .8 10 shot groups all day long...:

Hondo,
Thanks for the explain. I now understand your desire for little groups. My hunting rig puts its favorites into less than an inch for three shots regularly, but I’ve really got to be on top of my game with five shots. The reason for my comment.

My hunting rig is a Beanland built Bighorn Origin with a #3 Bartlein in a McMillan Adjustable Game Scout. On one of those rare occasions when the wind was relatively calm here, I did a little load development at 500 yards. Five 5-shot groups from five different loads averaged .555 MOA at 500 yards. From a barrel that light, that is simply outstanding.

The next day, I took the best load from 500 and put it on paper at 100. It was pretty gusty that morning and my portable bench was wobbling pretty good but it still gave me this five shot group. Load specifics are on the target. Subtract 1” from the displayed OAL for the BTO.

John

That's a nice one.

Inch at 500 out of a hunting rifle.

It just don't get mo better than that...

DF

I wish it was an inch at 500. The load that is on paper above did .498 MOA at 500 which is 3.66”. I can live with it though.😁

John

Yeah, that would be something.

I’ve shot a few three shot eye openers. My .240 HS Precision loves the 100 NPT over MRP. I once put three in 1,7” at 400. Doubt I could ever repeat it. But that was fun, one of those groups you don’t dare try another round.

I’ve shot slightly over 2” at 400, 120 E-Tip at 3,450 fps 26 Nosler with 869 powder. Barrel gets too hot with 5 shot groups.

Those kinda groups are definitely the exception. I always enjoy it when that happens.

DF

That's pretty sweet John. Thanks for sharing..

Great info guys. Keep it coming.

Ron

I tried 48 grs. RL- 26 with 140 AB, Lapua brass this weekend. Not sure of the speed but it groups under 1/2". Not sure why Alliant doesn't show any load data for RL-26 though.

I have not figured that out, either. If it was not so good, I could understand it, but Reloder 26 is a fantastic powder for the Creed.

Morning Sid! Good to see you’re still around! memtb

Was playing with Sierra 130gr Gamechangers and H4350 last night. The 41gr load Nosler has as it's most accurate was also mine. A 4 shot group had 3 in one hole and one just right opening the group to 1/2". Not real fast at 2740fps but dang accurate. Bumped it up to 42.0, got just under 2800 fps w/ 4 shots going into just under 1". Went to 42.5gr and groups opened up another 1/8" to 1 1/8" and velocity was 2825fps. Need to verify but that 41.0gr load was impressive.

Details -
Hornady Brass
CCI 200 Primers
H4350 - 41.0gr
Sierra 130gr TGK
2.80 COL
85 degrees 3-5 wind
2740fps +/- 5 fps
4 shots in 1/2" @ 100 yards


Should add this was from my Bergara Woodsman w/ 3-10 scope.

That’s a good looking rig you’ve got there, centershot.

Thanks, Here is a better pic. Wood on this rifle is beautiful for an off the shelf rifle. Even better, it shoots as good as it looks! - So good that I got a little carried away on a new scope.


Another load I have had great luck with is Hornady 129gr SST's with 38.5gr of RL-15, CCI 200's, Hornady Brass, 2.820 COL. 2760fps

How does it feed? My brother and I both have B14's and the feed rails are terrible. The brass looks like you ran over them on a concrete driveway after a few cycles. I tried to polish mine but didn't help much.

No issue feeding, does scrape the brass a bit ejecting. No worse than any of the 700's I have owned. I personally think they are one of the best production rifles currently out.

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Ron

I agree with 30338. Gonna be hard to reload when Berger factory 135 classic hunter ammo shoots so well. Here’s the first 6 shots out of my Creed, first 3 shot group on the right and second 3 shot group on left.



Then the last 5 shots for the day did this

Dang Marty,
Things are going pretty good when a flyer is only about a 1/4” out of the main group!

Blind squirrel, ya know? 😉

My initial 6.5 CM loads (24" Fieldcraft)... I've only used RL17 so far, and one seating depth:

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I didn't go back all the way through this thread, but I'm always looking to try something new. My most accurate Creedmoor loads have been with H4350 and W760 powder, and I really see no reason to try anything different, except for the lack of nothing better to do. So, I'm on the Alliant site looking up data, and all I can find is data using R16 powder for the 120-140 hunting bullets that I shoot. Nothing on R26 that some of you are talking about.

My question.......who has used R16, and what results did you get?

I loaded some 120's/RL 16 for my brother.
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Not being a smartass, but if you'll read through the thread you will find many answers to your question.

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Got around to shooting this load over a Magnetospeed today. Makes 2,760fps from a 21" barrel with 47.5gr. It'll be what I hunt this year in that Bergara. Shot it in the 70F morning with chrono and then the kids shot it later at 90F+ with no pressure/accuracy problems, so it's apparently not at redline.

Berger shows loads with RL26 45 grains to 49.8 for 2977 with their 135 Classic Hunter. Just yesterday 47 grains of RL 26 and a Barnes 127 LRX @ 2.800 gave me 2915 FPS and 3/4 inch 5 shot groups in my Creed. JME!

I have never seen the need for the Barnes, for deer, but that is a great load for the 127. It is what I would use, if I was going to hunt elk with the Creed.

Wish that was the case here ,non lead ammo only in Ca. Welcome to the Land of no milk and no honey,

Hello folks. I have skimmed through the many pages of posts here and didn't see that anyone was loading lighter weight bullets. My Hawkeye Predator has shown early promise with 100 grain ballistic tips. Looking at the 107 Match King I can get nearly the same muzzle velocity with it that I can the 100 grain BT but with a .445 BC as opposed to a .350. Since my Tikka is going to be dialed with heavier bullets, I'd like to train this one with lighter bullets.

Looking at charts it looks like the 107 TMK started at 3200 will fly appreciably flatter out to 600 yards than the 140 Nosler BT started at 2800. My manual doesn't have data for the newer ultra high BC bullets that have come out recently.

What do you have for data for the lighter bullets?

It seems to me that most of the posts here are more about using hunting bullets as opposed to target projectiles. That's fine, because the Creed is a pretty handy hunting cartridge. But I use mine as it was intended to be used; as a long range target cartridge. The rifle is a Savage 12 LRP with a Vortex Golden Eagle scope. I mainly shoot 500m benchrest with it. I'd been playing with Hornady bullets and then switched to Berger 140gn VLDs. I got good results from them but supply of the Bergers became a problem, so I changed again, this time to Nosler RDF, but went to the 130gn model. My load is 42.9gn H4350, Hornady brass, and CCI large rifle primers. I'm getting those RDF's out at 2,920fps with no signs of pressure, and getting sub 3inch groups at 500m. There was quite a few people on the Creedmoor forum who had trouble with fliers using the 140gn RDF with some believing the bullet didn't seem to like the 8 twist, and it was this that made me consider going to the 130gn RDF. So far it's working, and the RDF don't appear to be fussy about seating depth. Mine are seated to 70thou off the lands.

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I've found that the Reloder 16 Data for the creedmoor is very good on the alliant website. They don't have every bullet listed, but enough good ones to figure things out.

I can't get the Sierra Gamechanger to shoot in my Creedmoor, tried two different barrels OCW from 2500-2900 FPS and all COAL variables... Even when single feeding long ones they still won't shoot. Everything else shoots 1/4". Out of my 260 rem they shoot in the 1's and 2's.

Haven't yet read about anyone getting these things to shoot better then 1 MOA in the Creedmoor, and a lot of people are struggling to get better than 2 MOA. What's the deal?

123 Scenar over Varget is a great combo for all around use, WT's, etc. That's about as light as I want to go.

Those may be the thing for the LR target shooter, not my game.. Still interesting stuff.

DF

Include me on the list of not being able to get the Sierras to shoot, at all. They are paper weights now.

I found the Gamechangers shoot great in my Tikka 6.5 using H4350.

DF, can you PM me the 123 scenar our load? Thanks

I'll just post it. Rifle is a 700 McWoody Mtn. Rifle with 23" Shilen, #2, SS barrel, NF SHV 3-10x42, Foreplex in LW med Talley's, Timney 501 trigger.

Thanks!

Velocity?

I didn't clock it, but think it's north of 2,800 fps, maybe not that much. You can push the 123 Scenar a good bit faster, but doubt you'd get better accuracy...

Regarding RL-16 vs. RL-17 discussions, here's Sierra's load data. Note that when RL-16 and RL-17 are listed next to each other, it takes a bit more RL-16 to reach the same velocity as RL-17. That would indicate that, at least in this application, RL-16 may be slightly slower burning than RL-17, sorta reversing the numerical burn rate order.

https://sierrabulletsblog.com/2017/01/09/sierra-bullets-6-5-creedmoor-load-data/

DF

Same here. 1/2" accuracy from enough different trips to the range to think it's a 1/2" load. Shoot mine from a Bergara Woodsman with 41.2gr of H4350, CCI 200's, Hdy Brass and a COL of 2.810" Not real fast at 2725 but this load has become my accuracy standard by which all other loads are judged. FWIW: I sent one of those 130gr Gamechangers through a mule deer buck at around 200 yards. Shot just behind the shoulder, broadside - killed that deer instantly. He fell right on his nose flipped over and had all 4 legs in the air. Very impressed with the Gamechangers and am considering using them on elk if I ever draw a tag again.

Pretty much mirros my load, Lapua brass, CCi 450, 42grains H4350. Very accurate.

I'm onto a great load! Hornady American Gunner 140s! I may have crossed over into factory fodder nirvana. My Montana loves it.

Interesting. I tried some in a Kimber Hunter that I had and they were 'pie plate' accurate. For some reason I have not been able to get any 140's to shoot unless I slow them way down.

That's a bummer. Mine hasn't liked 143s or 147s the best I could tell. I have been shooting these AGs suppressed and the rifle just seems very well mannered, not as petite as it was, but dang it's mellow.

I shot some factory Hornady 147's in my Tikka at 300 yds and got like a 6 in grps not sure why it doesn't like them either although if shoots handloads 140's bt into a 1 in group at 300 yds.
My brother has 3 6.5 CM rifles and they all like the factory Hornady 147's

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Just finished up testing factory fodder in my Mesa. 60 rounds of 5-shot groups using the Precision Hunter 143 gr. ELD-X produced 0.83".
60 rounds of 5-shot groups using the same bullet in the Black Hills Gold offering produced 0.86"

The barrel on this Mesa definitely didn't like any factory offerings of the same bullet leaving the muzzle going faster than a nominal 2,700 fps. Group sizes for nominal velocities of 2,750+ were always 1.5" and larger.

The 130 game changer work for me. 2900+/- out my tikka, 24”, 41.8 gr of big game powder, CCI pimer, 2.220 BTO
Just loaded up some 127LRX using Hunter.
Hoping to get close to 2900 as well..

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Had no idea this thread was right here,

My bad.

Guys, excuse my ignorance, but Lapua brass uses small rifle primers,

others use Large primers?

Alpha gives you the choice of either?

Lapua also gives you choices... of either.

You sure about that?
Where?

Guess not... It was Alpha brass I was thinking about. I use Lapua SR with no problems.

Lapua announced not long ago that they were going to start offering SP and LP in 6.5 Creedmoor.

I use Lapua SRP. I’ve also used Starline SRP. Starline is another manufacturer offering both LRP and SRP 6.5 CM brass.

Shot my 20” 6.5 CTR today.

130 Berger hybrid, 38.5 Varget, once fired and trimmed Hornady brass, CCI 200. Velocity is unknown (didn’t measure it but think 2850-2900 FPS). 2.175 BTO.

0.53” five shot group @100 yards

American Gunner 140 BTHP 0.68” five shot group @ 100 yards

And if I hadn’t blown one shot, the group was 0.14” x 0.15”

Hard to justify hand loading when it shoots like that.

6.5 Nosler brass good to go?

Hornady seems to be slim pickings right now.

Alpha or Lapua is well worth the price.

Alpha is out of stock and I'd rather stick with large rifle primers if possible.

You guys shooting the 140 VLD with that long nose,
How far back from the lands are you setting?
I'm .015 back for a BTO of 3.000 (with comparator),
Way over book length with a OAL of 2.958
Still fits and feeds,
Your thoughts?

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Pardon my dereliction! Thing dotes on 140 American Gunner!


So, I finally got the reloading gear dug out from the moving boxes and trying to figure out what way to go! Make it easy for me!

Bullet 129 ABLR

Powders on hand in adequate quantity: RL26, H4350, IMR4451, and Varget.

Using Hornady brass. CCI, Federal or WLR primers.

Kimber Montuna 22" suppressed.

HELP

Boomer, I found a very accurate load with 4451.........43gr, 2.830 OAL, 2783 avg velocity in a T3X

Awesome JG, I now remember that you tried the 129s!

Thank you much!

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Anybody swimming against the high BC tide and loading 100 grain bullets? What's working for you?

X2... for hunting deer I am interested in 100 gr & 120 gr loads myself

I tried Big Game and IMR4064 in a 22" 260Rem, with roughly the same case capacity. Big Game was the winner, with 3,200fps using the 100TTSX. It's a good killer.

Still dreaming about it! I mean researching....


Any more 129 ABLR loads?

These charges have been mentioned:

Varget (a sketchy #)
RL17 43.1, 42.5
H4350 42, 42.9
IMR4451 43

Hunter? Nosler lists 40-44

Have you tried RL16? 43.5gr gave me best accuracy. 44.5 gr was knockin' on 2900 fps out of a 22" barrel... Horny brass & 210M, bullet touching lands.

Time for updates,

Berger 140 Hunter VLD's....42.6 grains of H4350. Hormady brass. CCI primers. Avg speed 2695. .050 back. First time out shot 2 groups with this load that really made me smile, one group was 4 shots in a 3 hole cloverleaf, .408 but can we duplicate? yes, two more trips to the range, All 5 shot groups.. A .736, a .491 if you allow me to ignore the blatant pull on shot 5, another 5 at .641 Funtimes. Havent gone long yet, maybe this weekend.

2nd best load so far in this tikka would be 41.7g of H4350 with the same bullet, almost has accurate has 42.6, and never checked the speed.

Next feature, 127 LRX, I could use Rl17 or H4350...Still haven't decided, help me flip the coin.

I've been pretty happy with RL 17 (43g) / 127LRX

How far back from the lands?

Universal mellow load passed along to me.

129 LRAB and 41.2 gr H4350
I used 1X Hornady brass and CCI 200s, and found joy with the Montana...

Working on a fast RL17 load too.

RL-26 (48 gr) works well with that bullet, just saying.

Hi all , Just wanted to ask if anyone has load data with 123gr Hornady SST using reloder 16 thanks

[quote=Brad4400]Hi all , Only new here some great info here on reloading the 6.5 iv only just purchased my first 6.5 creedmoor and I just wanted to ask if anyone has load data with 123gr Hornady SST using reloder 16 as it's hard to find any load data with RL16 thanks all

Hi all , Only new here some great info here on reloading the 6.5 iv only just purchased my first 6.5 creedmoor and I just wanted to ask if anyone has load data with 123gr Hornady SST using reloder 16 as it's hard to find any load data with RL16 thanks all

http://alliantpowder.com/reloaders/...type=1&powderid=41&cartridge=184

John

The two I load for love the 129 ABLR with 42.5g RL17. They also like a similar load of H4350, but a fair amount slower. I wanted to move to RL16 for the temp stability, but neither rifle liked it.

42 gr H4350 143 eldx Hornady brass fed 210gmm. 2.820 coal. 1/2 moa or better for 5 shots from a 26” savage varmint rifle. 2780 fps.
Been playing with R26 but dang the H 4350 is just lights out in the creedmoor. Ran a pressure ladder with the R26 and got to 3000 fps with the 140 eldm but thats likely over pressure even though the primers looked ok. I think 2900 is doable. Have some loads waiting to shoot over the chrono.

Tag

I went with 42 and 42.5 of H4350 with a 140 Accubond. I couldn’t tell a difference in group size because they were all touching. Shot 2 groups of 3 each and then 1 group of 5 each. OAL was 2.775 that was in the Nosler reloading manual. Guess it works.

Nosler factory 120 and 140 NBT were just a freckle bigger group wise. Still at .5” or under.

These loads worked in 2 different rifles and shot the same in both. Same for the factory ammo.

I left the target at the range on the bench next to me so the guy cussing his 270 could cuss some more after I left.

Madman that's my load also vel. only at 2676 but accurate from my 77 hawkeye.

You guys not finding excessive pressure with 42.0 / 42.5 grs of H4350 and 140 gr bullets? Compressed load?

I just bought a box of 139 gr Scenars and have H4350.

Been using factory rounds up to this point and been gathering info before I handload.

Brass makes a difference here.

I use 42.5 gr H4350 with the 147 ELD, TULA, and Horn brass in my FC. No problems and velocity is as expected. That same load in Alpha brass gives ejector swipes.

Thanks Jordan. I will be using 1x fired Hornady brass that I prepped. I will work up to 42.0 and see what velocity that gives me. Mule Deer mentioned that the Scenars should not be an issue since they have a small bearing surface.

With my Tikka T3x 24” barreled Creed, 43 grs. of H4350 under 130 AccuBonds and Sierra Gamechangers yielded the following at 18*F:

AccuBonds with a 2.800” OAL (.060” jump) 2790 ft/sec.

Gamechangers with a 2.825 OAL (.100” jump) 2810 ft/sec.

I’m using Federal SRP. Browning HCS and Howa Alpine Mountain. No issues.

tag

Late to the thread but I have found the following load to work well in my creedmoor

139 scenar
42.7 H4350
Hornady brass
BR2

41gr R16
Berger 140gr HVLD
Alpha Brass
Tula LRM
3.100 base to ogive

John

Nice work John. My Creed loves RL16 as well. Nice shootin'.

41.1 of RL16 has been the sweet spot for several 140gr bullets in my Bergara also.

Rifle: CA Mesa w/22" barrel
Bullet: 143 gr. ELD-X
Powder: H4350 41.6 grains MV: ~2,620 fps. Matches POI of factory ELD-X ammo with nominal MV of 2,700 fps
Brass: Hornady once-fired
Primer: Federal GM210M
OAL: 2.805"
Boringly consistent 1/2 MOA and better

Max case length growth across 15 rounds: 0.001"

Anyone on the Ramshot Hunter train?

I just shot JB’s 6.5 CM load that works out of GGII:

Tikka T3x SL/46g Hunter/Lapua/Fed210/129 Horn Interlock into about .75 @ 100ish today. (Three groups averaged .75 - .85)

I’m new to the 6.5 but this load seemed pretty good to me for Whitetails I’ll be chasing around this fall.

Like Centershot, I’m finding that in my 6.5 Creedmoors 41gr R16 seems to work well with any decent 140gr bullet In any decent rifle. Also, though the BC is unimpressive, I’ve not found a CM that won’t shoot the Hornady 140gr BTHP.

Here’s 41gr R16 behind the 140gr Hornady BTHP.

John

Nice John. I really like that Rl16 in mine as well.

I think the velocity is high. More like 2790 according to my trajectory validation. Accurate none the less. 5 shot group.

tag for later

Anyone shoot the 140 barnes match burners? I just got some from midway

Yeah, with irons sights in my swede:



I traded my boss some ELDX for the 140gr match burners. He said he was running Hunter in his creedmoor and getting one hole groups. I haven't loaded them in any of my creedmoors, as I needed to develop some loads for my m96 for a military rifle shoot my club is going to be having next month. I'd bet money these bullets would drive tacks in the creedmoor though.

There are some nice shooting creedmoor's in this thread. The creedmoor has been one of the most accurate and easy to load for in my experience. I don't have a man bun, but damn they shoot well..

Thanks bud!
I have pounds of Hunter laying around.
I’ll load some up and see how they run.
I still need shoot my 127 LRX using Hunter.
Load I thought I had didn’t group so well for me las time I went out and I got some different seating depths to try our
So I’ll let you know how they do.

Sounds good. I'd like to try the 127gr LRX myself. Seems like it would be a damn good bullet in the creedmoor. Keep us posted on that load and bullet.

I'll ask my boss what charge weight he was running in his dads new 6.5 creedmoor. I guess it is turning in some damn impressive groups. Its a new savage. I recently bought 4 pounds of Hunter, so I'm hoping it works as well as he says it does. Also Dre, if you need some powder let me know. I'll let you know where to get some for $35.00/pound. No limit on how much you can buy. It may be worth the drive out here in the Gorge. The downfall is it is 130 miles east of where you live. Plenty of Big game, Hunter, X-terminator, H335, Tite group and 1680. I ended up buying 5 pounds of X-terminator yesterday:


I also snagged an old can of IMR7828 for less than $24.00... My 300WBY loves that stuff...

I’m shooting 42.0 grains of R16 under the 143 ELDX in one Tikka, and 44.0 grains of R16 under the 120 NBT in another.
Both rifles print .3”-.4” groups with these loads. They are boringly accurate for hunting rifles.

My Tikka 6.5 Creedmoor shoots well with Hornady 143 ELDX over 43.0 RL-16.

My Howa 6.5 Creedmoor shoots even better with Nosler 120 Ballistic Tips over 39.0 grains of Varget.

123 Scenar is another good Creed bullet. Seems to perform well on critters, too.

DF

Guess I am the odd guy on this thread i am shooting 38,0 gr. Varget and 135gr, A-Tip, when the wind ain't to bad it will do 1 hole 3 shot groups ,or all touching 3 shot groups, i have the targets just need to take pic's, this load is also very good out 800 yrds, guess i need to take pic's. Rio7

Well, you not the only guy using Varget.

Maybe we both "odd men out"...

Same powder, different bullets...

DF

My best load in my heavy gun is Varget pushing 130gr AR hybrids to about 2880. Varget is some good stuff with light bullets in the Creedmoor.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/16062522/7

John

Put me in the odd man Varget camp. My Cooper Raptor will do the half inch thing all day long with 124 grain Hammers and 38.0 grains of Varget. If I haven't had too much morning coffee.

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Anybody trying/using/experimenting IMR4350 with 130gr - 140gr bullets?
Have a bunch of it and no H4350.
Have a RAR on order

I use any 4350 interchangably, they all work.

This was Accurate 4350

Just curious why so much load information is only H4350. Nosler data for 140gr shows 1/2gr difference.

Up

The below load shoots very well out of my Tikka with zero pressure signs and single digit SD.


Tikka T3X Wideland
135gr Berger Classic Hunter
49.0gr Reloader 26 @ 2950fps
Starline Brass
CCI LR BR Primers

Any data for Varget with the 127 LRX?

Finally was able to put together reloading supplies for my new (to me) Kimber Montana 6.5 Creed:

Lapua Brass, unfired
WLR primers
H4350
Barnes 127 LRX

Looking for suggestions for starting through max loads with these components.

I know 4350 works, but I only have 2 pounds left. Anyone shooting Superformance powder. I plan on running it with a 139 Scenar.

Why isn’t this a sticky?

What speeds are you getting? I did a ladder test Friday and my fastest velocity was 2452 FPS with 143 ELD-X and with 42.2 gr of AA4350.

That’s awfully slow! I just did load work yesterday with H4350 and a 139 Scenar. CCI200 41.5-42.5gr. 2650-2725fps Ruger American go wild.

Man if u could just find RL26. 48gr, CCI 200 and Starline brass. 2870fps. Literally shoots a ragged hole. Boringly accurate in my Tikka Superlite.


Roy

17 consecutive shots in a row. Confirming ES and drops for turrets.

That is REALLY slow for sure!

What speeds are you getting? I did a ladder test Friday and my fastest velocity was 2452 FPS with 143 ELD-X and with 42.2 gr of AA4350.

Wow, I guess the 4350 family 'aint all that interchangeable.

My 143 gr. ELD-X load uses 41.6 gr. H4350, Hornady brass, & Federal primer. ~2.805" OAL. From a 22" barrel I'm just under 2650 fps MV.

41.5 gr R17 gives me 2725+ with a 142 ABLR, Fed 210M primer and Hor. brass out of a 24" Sako.

Man if u could just find RL26. 48gr, CCI 200 and Starline brass. 2870fps. Literally shoots a ragged hole. Boringly accurate in my Tikka Superlite.



What length is your barrel sir....????

I have a back up load for my son's Tikka using "Superformance" and the Horandy 129 gr SST. Does shoot sub-MOA.

24.3”. Factory Tikka barrel. Velocity was confirmed with drops out to 600. Been shooting this load for 3 years now and not gonna change anytime soon. Lol.


Roy

Same load I shoot in my SL.

24 inch Savage.

Yeah. I was not happy at all with those speeds. That was from a 24.3” Tikka T3X. I tested my 22” . 260 Rem Savage 11 today with StaBALL 6.5. I got some errors from my Magneetospeed, but my fastest speed was 40.8 grains at 2533 FPS.

Anyone going up as far as 44 grains of H4350 with the Barnes 127 grain LRX? I get very good accuracy and 2820FPS out of a 22" barrel with that load, but it's clearly over any of the the published max loads I can find. The only signs of pressure I can see is a kind of shiny area on the primer. You can see it in the photo below which has fired cases starting at 42 Gr on the far left and going up in .5 gr all the way to 44 gr on the far right.

I shot a 130gr NAB at that speed in several 22" factory 260Rem bolt actions, using somewhere around 45gr of H4350, if I recall correctly. I'd think that 127LRX load is near or at the top end, but not crazy.

With my unfired Lapua cases the loads start getting compressed around 43.5 grains.

With 130s and lighter, I prefer Varget. Start at 37.5 and work up. 2850 should be doable out of a 22” barrel. With Hornady brass and 130s, I get 2880 from a 24” barrel. With Alpha brass I get 2920.

I’m not seeing anything alarming on your case heads. Healthy load but nothing hazardous. I’ve shot up to 44.5gr H4350 behind 130s and not had any adverse pressure signs.

John

Safe in my rifle but might atomize someone else’s so use at your own risk.

40gr Varget
123gr Lapua Scenar
Alpha “6.5 Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself” brass
CCI BR2
2.100 BTO
Trues out at 2940fps.

5 shots at 900 yards.

John

As much as I'd like to experiment with Varget and other powders, there is literally nothing in stock in my area. I have a decent supply of H4350 and nothing else appropriate, so I guess I'll have to leave it at that for this hunting season. I would have liked to work up an accurate load at closer to 2900. But really, a 127g Barnes LRX at 2820 fps will be devastating on deer and plenty flat shooting at the distances I'll encounter. 44 grains is no longer compressing in my fireformed cases.

Just starting load development on a T3x SL Creed with H4350 and the LRX. Going to focus on 41.6 - 42.0 and see what I can get. Not very fast, but will game ever know the difference of another 100fps? Nope

Interesting how different rifles/brass effect velocity and pressure. It took me 43.5 grains of H4350 to get over 2800 fps with the LRX. I'm using a Kimber Montana with 22" bbl, Lapua brass. I got the group below with 44 grains @2820:

I picked up a # of N555 to try with 6.5CM loads but there’s not much data out there.

Any of you have first hand experience with that?

Anyone shooting the Hornady 147 ELD-M?

From my Barrett FC 21" barrel:

127 gr LRX
42.5 H4350
TULA
Horn brass
0.050" jump
2735 fps Average

Shoots ~0.7 MOA and works great on critters.


147 gr ELD-M
42.5 H4350
TULA
Horn brass
0.010" jam
2630 fps Average

Shoots ~0.6 MOA and also works great on critters.

Close.

Never tried Varget

My preferred powder in the Creedmoor for bullets up to and including 130gr.

John

Trying to narrow down component inventory so worked up a load for my hunting rig with some of what I had left. Load data is on the pic. OAL is actually base to ogive but includes Sinclair comparator so subtract 1”. This is a ten shot group.

John

I’m sitting on 400+ Sierra 140gr SBT’s that I want to use on both cow elk and blacktails here on the ranch. Hornady shows loads for W760 from 39.3 - 43.2 grains and I have a bunch of that, too.

Kimber Hunter - SWFA 3x9 MQ
Hornady once fired cases - Lee collet dies
Rem 9 1/2
W760 @ 42.5 gr - that was the sweet spot - 3 at or under an inch at 100 from that light rig makes me smile.

I'm getting 2676 with H4350 and 140 nosler AB from 24" Ruger, was hoping for a little faster but slower and very accurate works too.

Finally had a chance to chrono some loads in my Bergara Ridge 6.5CM, 22" barrel and internal mag. Brass is Hornady, 143gr ELD-X and primer CCI200. My most accurate load with RL16 was 2550 fps so I went searching with 4350. Got better velocity testing loads from from 40.0 to 42.3gr with no pressure signs at 42.3gr. Although velocity was better accuracy was just under an inch so still not what I was looking for. Had a pound of RL26 so I loaded started at 44.0 and worked up to 46.5gr in 1/2gr increments. Accuracy really improved and velocity was also up. Settled on 46.0gr and from the 22" barrel getting 2700 fps with spread of 12 fps and SD of 5. 5 shot groups in the 0.6 to 0.7" range. Base to ogive 2.129".

I have an appreciation for a post like this. You don't say you have a "1/2 moa" rifle, you actually prove how it shoots with 10 shot groups. Well done John. I always appreciate that kind of honesty!!

Now, I have a load that works very well. I've been running it for quite some time now. Worked it up in my Cabela's exclusive Savage 12fv. Here's how that rifle shot. I'll post 10 shot groups too, because a rifle cartridge designed for competition seems arbitrary when you post 3 shots. It's liken to posting 3 shot groups for a varmint rifle or heavy barreled competition rifle. It just doesn't make sense.


Same load in Tikka Superlite:


Same load in S&W M&P Performance Center 6.5 CM, but with a reduced OAL to fit in magazine:

1 more to prove that wasn't a fluke:


Same load in CTR #1. Adjusted OAL to .020" off lands:


Same load in CTR #2:


At a club shoot the other day, I threw 10 downrange to see where my POI was, since I hadn't shot the damn thing in so long. A little low and to the right with the same load I've been using for years in all of my creedmoors:


Then after adjustment:


Pretty consistent load. I dropped the last shot!!!!!

Some guys say they have good loads. Others, like you, prove you do...

Yep.

H4350 max loads.

Kind of like the guy that claims to have killed a “ton of elk”.

Put up or shut up. Ive killed plenty of elk you dumb fu ck. You add nothing to any thread here. When you get a creedmoor and can add something of value, post your results. Otherwise, quit trying to suck my dick and play with my balls.

I stopped on the way out yesterday and picked up a 6.5.

Shot 8 in the dirt and got velocity figured out, wound up at 43.3 of H4350 for 2840. Played around with the 130 Accubond and settled at .070 off the lands. I know, in all your wisdom you think they’re Accubombs, even though you’ve killed nothing but paper with them. I’d suggest maybe not using construction paper and sticking with typing paper. Not a single 10 shot group was fired, and it still worked out.

I was scared to death I was going to lose the bolt handle, have an accidental discharge or have an extraction problem that your always flapping your gums about.

Surely you have some dead sh it via the 6.5 to show? (That made me LOl)

Keep trying to be relevant, and i’ll keep laughing at your dumbass.

See, pics are easy, even if your by yourself.

Your move Buttercup.

Nice cow! Haven't shot one in a few years now. Might have to try again next year.

Update to add velocity.

Took this load out to 900 yards and calculated the velocity with Ballistic AE. It worked out to 2883 and the group was stupid good, about 5” horizontal, and less than 2” vertical.

John

Updated 143 gr. ELD-X load after many 5-shot groups to verify. There have been others who've also posted this powder charge:

Bullet: Hornady 143 gr. ELD-X
Brass: Hornady
Primer Federal 210M
Powder: H4350 41.7 gr.
CBTO: 2.038"
COAL: 2.797" - 2.801"

Though taken several cow elk with this load (out of necessity) this is going to be my pronghorn getter next season.

Yes, I have been running the 139 Scenar with Superformance and been very happy with it. Found no data so mined a bunch of other pressure-tested 139-143 grain Superformance data, picked a smart starting load, and worked up. I settled on 45.9gr/Superformance under the 139 Scenar, Lapua SR cases with Fed 205M. (just got some CCI 41 and will try those too.)
Averages 0.6 MOA at 2818 FPS with single digit SD. I am .020" off the lands in my 22" Christensen Mesa, but .005" off shot almost as well. I have heard these bullets aren't fussy about seating depth.
I overlaid multiple groups I fired during the workup ladder from 45 to 46 grains and found it put all 21 shots into 1.18", so it is relatively insensitive to charge weight too, at least as far as POI is concerned, in that charge weight range.

Good luck with it.
Rex

Saw the other post about killing "a ton of elk."
When you think about it, that doesn't take too many elk.
It's real hard to get elk tags where I live but even I have killed "a ton of elk."
That means three big bulls and a good sized cow. Heck, I probably had my "ton" before the cow, which was the most recent.
I have certainly also killed a ton of deer and a ton of antelope. Ate 'em all so it's a wonder I'm not any fatter.

Just funnin' around.
Y'all play nice,
Rex

I enjoy the levity and it made me laugh……unfortunately I’ve killed a ton of brain cells. 😁

Hi prm, I also have a Barrett Fieldcraft in 6.5, and I'm interested in shooting the LRX, is yours the 22" barrel version?

Good thread.....

Rifle: CA Mesa w/22" barrel
Bullet: 140 gr. Nosler Partition
Powder: H4350 41.7 gr. 5 shot MV avg: 2,647 fps
Brass: Hornady
Primer Federal 210M
CBTO: 2.152"
COAL: ~2.790"
5 shot group avg: 0.674"
Likely can tighten the group ever so slightly, but as a hunting bullet, why?

May have posted this already…?😁

Tikka T3X Superlight 6.5 CM w/24.3” barrel.

130gr Nosler Accubond
Reloader 26 49.5gr
Hornady Brass
Fed. 210 match primer
OAL = 2.780”

Vel. = 2960 fps (chronographed)

Accur. = 3 shots @ 100yd….0.630”

Brass looks good…no high pressure signs(No cratered/flat primers and no shiny spots on case head)

This load is very consistent. Has been replicated several times on different days at the range at temps between 40 - 85 deg.

I’m a hunter not a competition shooter. 3 shots into nearly 1/2”….that’ll do just fine for my needs.😁

Tikka T3X Lite
18” barrel (Chopped down and crowned from 24”)
Factory Tupperware stock

45.3 grains Ramshot Hunter
CCI 200
120 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip
.020” jump
2716 fps avg.

Sightron Big Sky 3-12x42 Mil Dot


Working up a load


365 yards, 1 1/2”

This continues to be a pretty good load. It's been a "plug and play" in an 18" Sig Cross, as I had 40-50 rounds left after I sold the Bergara. Should be making about 2,650 in the Cross.

I will say that the 143 ELD-X isn't what I'd call a "Penetrator", but that's pretty obvious, given the design and intent of the bullet. Shot this boar last night at 70-80 yards, quartering-to, just in front of the shoulder. Should have exited behind the offside shoulder, but didn't punch through the shield. No busted shoulders either. 180-200lbs, give or take. 40yd run.

Early load data
https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/creedmoor-hornady-recipes.72233/

Tag.

The 143 eldx is a hunting bullet It PENETRATES the vitals of big game just fine
It's not made to punch through bone &Hornady will tell you that

Tag

Tag

I like to see big fat hogs with lots of fat and small bones. My kimber 6.5 creedmore likes to work on them

I've been thinking about reloading this is a great thread

About 10 pages back I was asking about load recipes for the Sierra Game Changer. Found a load and never posted it. Would have been awfully convenient because my reloading notebook was destroyed in a flood this spring.

So my load data is thus, future me:

6.5 Creedmoor Peterson LRP Brass
Fed 210M
2.80 COAL (30 Thou off)
130 Sierra Gamechanger
42.0 Grains H4350
2815 FPS
This is a max load. 41.8 is better above 60°

Tag for data

How's those Gamechangers perform on deer?

Lets bump this back up

Anybody tried 140 Gold dots or 140NBT with Stabil65

Can't speak to the Gold Dots or NBT's but 42.5 gr of StaBALL6.5 is working well for me with 140 SST's. This is a very moderate load in my rifle.

Norma cases LP
Nos 140 btsp

I4350 - 42gr - 2794 fps
Staball6.5 - 43.5
H4350 - 40.5

22" Hart sporter barrel - Rem 700

I have loaded them over Reloder 19 with good results. Those bullets are not as accurate as some-around 3/4 moa-but they hold together and penetrate well.