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DF, can you PM me the 123 scenar our load? Thanks
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DF, can you PM me the 123 scenar our load? Thanks I'll just post it. Rifle is a 700 McWoody Mtn. Rifle with 23" Shilen, #2, SS barrel, NF SHV 3-10x42, Foreplex in LW med Talley's, Timney 501 trigger.
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I didn't clock it, but think it's north of 2,800 fps, maybe not that much. You can push the 123 Scenar a good bit faster, but doubt you'd get better accuracy... Regarding RL-16 vs. RL-17 discussions, here's Sierra's load data. Note that when RL-16 and RL-17 are listed next to each other, it takes a bit more RL-16 to reach the same velocity as RL-17. That would indicate that, at least in this application, RL-16 may be slightly slower burning than RL-17, sorta reversing the numerical burn rate order. https://sierrabulletsblog.com/2017/01/09/sierra-bullets-6-5-creedmoor-load-data/DF
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I've found that the Reloder 16 Data for the creedmoor is very good on the alliant website. They don't have every bullet listed, but enough good ones to figure things out.
I can't get the Sierra Gamechanger to shoot in my Creedmoor, tried two different barrels OCW from 2500-2900 FPS and all COAL variables... Even when single feeding long ones they still won't shoot. Everything else shoots 1/4". Out of my 260 rem they shoot in the 1's and 2's.
Haven't yet read about anyone getting these things to shoot better then 1 MOA in the Creedmoor, and a lot of people are struggling to get better than 2 MOA. What's the deal?
Include me on the list of not being able to get the Sierras to shoot, at all. They are paper weights now. I found the Gamechangers shoot great in my Tikka 6.5 using H4350. Same here. 1/2" accuracy from enough different trips to the range to think it's a 1/2" load. Shoot mine from a Bergara Woodsman with 41.2gr of H4350, CCI 200's, Hdy Brass and a COL of 2.810" Not real fast at 2725 but this load has become my accuracy standard by which all other loads are judged. FWIW: I sent one of those 130gr Gamechangers through a mule deer buck at around 200 yards. Shot just behind the shoulder, broadside - killed that deer instantly. He fell right on his nose flipped over and had all 4 legs in the air. Very impressed with the Gamechangers and am considering using them on elk if I ever draw a tag again.
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I've found that the Reloder 16 Data for the creedmoor is very good on the alliant website. They don't have every bullet listed, but enough good ones to figure things out.
I can't get the Sierra Gamechanger to shoot in my Creedmoor, tried two different barrels OCW from 2500-2900 FPS and all COAL variables... Even when single feeding long ones they still won't shoot. Everything else shoots 1/4". Out of my 260 rem they shoot in the 1's and 2's.
Haven't yet read about anyone getting these things to shoot better then 1 MOA in the Creedmoor, and a lot of people are struggling to get better than 2 MOA. What's the deal?
Include me on the list of not being able to get the Sierras to shoot, at all. They are paper weights now. I found the Gamechangers shoot great in my Tikka 6.5 using H4350. Same here. 1/2" accuracy from enough different trips to the range to think it's a 1/2" load. Shoot mine from a Bergara Woodsman with 41.2gr of H4350, CCI 200's, Hdy Brass and a COL of 2.810" Not real fast at 2725 but this load has become my accuracy standard by which all other loads are judged. FWIW: I sent one of those 130gr Gamechangers through a mule deer buck at around 200 yards. Shot just behind the shoulder, broadside - killed that deer instantly. He fell right on his nose flipped over and had all 4 legs in the air. Very impressed with the Gamechangers and am considering using them on elk if I ever draw a tag again. Pretty much mirros my load, Lapua brass, CCi 450, 42grains H4350. Very accurate.
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I'm onto a great load! Hornady American Gunner 140s! I may have crossed over into factory fodder nirvana. My Montana loves it.
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I'm onto a great load! Hornady American Gunner 140s! I may have crossed over into factory fodder nirvana. My Montana loves it. Interesting. I tried some in a Kimber Hunter that I had and they were 'pie plate' accurate. For some reason I have not been able to get any 140's to shoot unless I slow them way down.
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I'm onto a great load! Hornady American Gunner 140s! I may have crossed over into factory fodder nirvana. My Montana loves it. Interesting. I tried some in a Kimber Hunter that I had and they were 'pie plate' accurate. For some reason I have not been able to get any 140's to shoot unless I slow them way down. That's a bummer. Mine hasn't liked 143s or 147s the best I could tell. I have been shooting these AGs suppressed and the rifle just seems very well mannered, not as petite as it was, but dang it's mellow.
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I shot some factory Hornady 147's in my Tikka at 300 yds and got like a 6 in grps not sure why it doesn't like them either although if shoots handloads 140's bt into a 1 in group at 300 yds. My brother has 3 6.5 CM rifles and they all like the factory Hornady 147's
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I'm onto a great load! Hornady American Gunner 140s! I may have crossed over into factory fodder nirvana. My Montana loves it. Just finished up testing factory fodder in my Mesa. 60 rounds of 5-shot groups using the Precision Hunter 143 gr. ELD-X produced 0.83". 60 rounds of 5-shot groups using the same bullet in the Black Hills Gold offering produced 0.86" The barrel on this Mesa definitely didn't like any factory offerings of the same bullet leaving the muzzle going faster than a nominal 2,700 fps. Group sizes for nominal velocities of 2,750+ were always 1.5" and larger.
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The 130 game changer work for me. 2900+/- out my tikka, 24”, 41.8 gr of big game powder, CCI pimer, 2.220 BTO Just loaded up some 127LRX using Hunter. Hoping to get close to 2900 as well..
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Guys, excuse my ignorance, but Lapua brass uses small rifle primers,
others use Large primers?
Alpha gives you the choice of either?
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Guys, excuse my ignorance, but Lapua brass uses small rifle primers,
others use Large primers?
Alpha gives you the choice of either? Lapua also gives you choices... of either.
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Guys, excuse my ignorance, but Lapua brass uses small rifle primers,
others use Large primers?
Alpha gives you the choice of either? Lapua also gives you choices... of either. You sure about that? Where?
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Guys, excuse my ignorance, but Lapua brass uses small rifle primers,
others use Large primers?
Alpha gives you the choice of either? Lapua also gives you choices... of either. You sure about that? Where? Guess not... It was Alpha brass I was thinking about. I use Lapua SR with no problems.
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