Hey guys I been trying to work up a load in .223 with 64gr power points and seem to be have a terrible amount of bullet setback , as soon as it comes out of the crimp die I can literally push it into case with my fingers I have tried crimping more to no avail , any ideas ? Thanks .

check your bullet diameter

Are you using the Lee FC die?

if not, get one

Next guess is your brass is too hard/work hardened. Try it with newer brass or anneal the brass you have.

Those are my 2 cent try's. see if it will work

Why are you using a crimp die? Have you tried regular ol seating dies. No need to crimp that bullet.. Also, are you seating the bullet too deep?

Measure your expander ball on your resizer. Johnny's reloading (Youtube) found one of the dies he used had an expander ball that was larger than the diameter of the bullet.

kwg

I've seen this problem in 223 with brass that has been work-hardened and needs annealing. Anneal solved my problem.

That said, it could ALSO be an expander ball issue or possibly a bullet diameter issue. Some are oversize, some are under-size. I still think it's a brass issue though.

or the sizing die isn't set up correctly..

try tighten it down a little step at a time until the problem rights itself...

but the Annealing advice above need to heeded to also..

Measure bullet diameter, recent production 64 gr power points are closer to .223 than .224 in diameter.

Measure expander diameter, should be .002 or so smaller than your bullet.

Did you set the bullet seating depth and then screwed the die down to crimp? If so you may be seating the bullet too deep into the case past the full diameter shank of the bullet.

I’m a Dillon 750, which is seating and crimping in separate stations , I reload about 1k rounds a week of 223/5.56 have been using these same dies for about a year and this is the only bullet I have had issues with, however I will measure expander ball and probably need to start annealing, any recommendations on the most efficient way to anneal ? Also will confirm diameter of these power points ! Thanks guys

annealing, I am joe simple...

propane tank, filled like 10 plus years ago... metal tree, with a $6.00 plumbers torch on top...

hold a 223 case into the flame upside down and count to six... drop it in a metal decorative pail.. a $1.00 a Walmart like 10 years ago... let it air cool...and an older than dirt needle nose pliers...

Was given the tank and the tree... and other wise, I filled the tank for like 8bucks in 2010...
and $7 invested in the Walmart bucket, and $6 in the plumbers torch....

Well... you could do a lot worse than this one. I use it, and don't need the Tempilac fluid any more. Can do almost 1000 .223 cases in an hour. Once you get the hang of it, you can move really fast! Anyway, this costs about $100 bucks, or you can see the second video on how to copy this guys invention for cheap.








Oh and the updated copy

classic! i hold til fingers get warm, then let go. works like a champ.

Some people like these bullets, but I tried them in several rifles (.223 and .22-250) with varying twist rates and found them capable of mediocre accuracy at best. They're very cheap and perhaps that's the attraction, but other bullets like the excellent Sierra 65 GK are far more accurate, though at a greater cost. Good luck in your endeavor-

I had to use the lee crimp die on mine. I had the same issue, no problem with other bullets. They shot fine in my Rock River AR

Had the same exact issue. They're undersized.

This is good to know, thought it was something I did wrong.

Mine may get packaged in 50 or 100 round packages and sell at at the next gunshow.

I have had the same trouble with the 64 grain power points. I blame it on the shape of the bullet, when you load them for an AR your seating them to deep and getting on the taper of the bullet. I have had good luck with accuracy but I always crimped heavy with a Lee collet die.

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I threw what I had left in my scrap lead pile for bullet casting.

That actually does nothing different than I accomplish with a plumber's torch, and holding a case upside down over the flame
with a pair of needle nose pliers...and I don't wait until it gets 'cherry red' nor burn my finger tips..

I just count normal to six, drop it in a polymer bowl I get when the wife buys KFC, to hold the slaw or mashed potatoes...

I load in batches of 10 or 20... and now anneal each reload..

hitting 40 plus reloads with plenty more to go... is no problem...

and instead of those spendy little green propane tanks.. I just have a 7 gallon one someone gave me...

put like $10 or so over 10 years ago in it and its still going just fine...

$10 would have gotten me like 4 of those little disposable tanks...those would have lasted me 3 to 4 months...

Same Technique.

kwg

I had to crimp mine too. I’ve used mine up, wont buy any more. I have approximately 5000 62 grain Bear Claws I’ve been hoarding for years. I’m gonna start using them, no use saving them.

Yes I have them on my do not buy again list also.

I shot a deer with these 64 grain power points using 24.5 grains of TAC. No exit and the recovered bullet weighed 51 grains. Still on my do not buy again list but I thought someone would like the information.

I did confirm that these bullets were .223 instead of .224 but solved my issue with the Lee fcd, for some reason it worked better than my Dillon crimp die that came with my 223 die set. Did start annealing so I think that will help with these issues in the future but I am putting these on my do not buy list due to the issues .