So, because I too wish to play with the cool kids, I think I would like to have a fast(er) twisted .22 for fun and games.

Now , I have dies and brass for the 223.....and naturally , I also have brass ( potentially ) brass for the Ackley. I now have a set of dies for the ackley, so that's not really a consideration.

My question is, those who have the Ackley 223 would you do it again?

I also think the 22 Creed is a cooler option, just not what is in the cards at this time.

BTW : I have the action and the 8 twist barrel.....

I don’t currently have any AI cartridges, but I’ll start this,

I’ll say no one regrets going Ackley, even if only for the benefit of less brass trimming,

I have (14) 223 AI's. 8" is a dead end. Hint.

I have (7) Speedmires. I shoot the 223's with greater frequency. Hint.

So START at THE Fhuqking Start. What receiver? Barrel? How do you feed it(ADL/BDL/DBM/Singleshot)? Hint.

Be concise,because particulars MATTER. Hint...............

700

ADL

A few years back there was a lot of discussion about the 223AI on this site. IIRC, it worked better to minimizing case stretch then to maximize velocity potential.

I had my AI phase 35 to 40 years ago after I drank POA's Kool-Aid. There are a few nice rifles that I wished that I hadn't AI'd, but hindsight is 20/20 and if you've got an itch, you've got to scratch it.

I gather that to some, the 8 twist is less than ideal....but I have it..

So there's that....

Sporter contour

With a 700,you reap COAL shift advantages and that don't suck. ADL's massage nicely there. Hint.

Typically on a 700,you'll need to bush the 'pin hole,before even approaching "performance". They are simply fhuqking sloppy and all things literally melt around them. Hint.

8" is a bitch and only grants 75 ELD M's,which are a very nice projectile,but WELL shy of an 88 ELD M's relative abilities. 88's change the Game. Pun be intended. Hint.

Would I punch an existing 8" 223 to 223AI? Nope. Hint................

Who is recommended to bush the firing pin on the 700??

Anyone got a spare ( cheap ) .224 7 twist sporter contour tube laying around??

Seems I missed one recently in the Classifieds

Lol

Greg has slid out of THE 'Pin Role(which he did EXCEPTIONALLY) and now it's likely Chad at LRI. Hint.

As for scoring blanks,Greg is my guy and I simply contour to suit and fixate RPM,source Southern Precision. Hint.............

In English, bugholes.com

Unhint.

223 AI is a great all around rifle, plenty for coyotes. Not really in the same league as the 22Creed though. Unless you're planning on night calling and want something really flat shooting or plan to shoot past 500 I'd go with the 223AI. Lot's cheaper to shoot and you already have the dies;)

My brother has a 223AI on a Ruger#1 action. He likes it. Fast twist isn't needed.

I've never had an issue using a non AI cartridge, so I never saw a need to do an AI conversion... I don't think I've miss anything..

and I've never been Guilty of following " the cool kids".... Take powder Brand X was the cat's meow, and three years later, something else is all the rage... and then 3 years later something else will be.

I tend to use what has been working for decades...why reinvent the wheel.

I certainly do appreciate the enhanced performance available in the 22 Creed.

But with the areas I shoot, and with my personal skill set, I cant shoot 500 yards.

Kudos to those who can and do.

I do appreciate the cool new series of high BC bullets that are available..that typically enhance
performance at closer distances.

But to each, their own.....

So....Ackley it shall be.

I have a set of Redding Dies .....just curious as to what brand of dies others are using.
Lee & Redding be the only choices I have seen in stock recently...

What sort of fun and games?

Pokin holes in paper, groundhogs, coyotes, maybe a hog or deer

No elk or pacheyderms

Question #1...No.

It does minimize case stretch but does nothing for accuracy. Good or bad.

The 8 twist will treat you just fine in a .223, whether or not you AI it

Gentlemen, thank you for the insight

I will keep y'all posted as to how this shakes out

Theres not an cartridge that ive AI that I have regretted, matter of fact I do any 17, 20 or 22 cals again they all will be Ackley especially if they get shot much.

I use what has been working for years also. I've got one wildcatt it's a 6.5x06. Have never had a AI cartridge have never seen a need for one. Speaking of fast twist and heavy bullets, I don't go that route either. If I wanted to shoot say 60 gr or heavier bullet's I would not get a 22 cal rifle. No sir, I'd get a 243. Then if I wanted to shoot heavier than 100gr bullets, I'd step up to a 25 cal rifle.

My Ackley experience has been with the 260 AI & current 223 AI (heavy p/dog 9 twist set up)

First thing I'd look at is die selection

223 AI are common.....280 AI also

You are an AMAZINGLY Dumb Fhuqker. Hint.........

Dies are easy you can get a FL sizing made for whatever you want and if you have your own reamers a seater from a blank.
Ai's and Wildcats aren't for everybody I guess.

Talking of economics...once you spend $200+ for dies to get up & running

The benefits of an AI or Wildcat cartridge dwindle fast

About 2007 when David Tubb introduced the 6XC...had to have one

Built an 8 twist Pac Nor barrel screwed a Savage s/shot action on it

Great LR p/dog killer on 38 grs of powder with an 87 V Max

Dies were a chore at that time

Yes..AI & Wildcats aren't for everyone

Brokedick Stories from CLUELESS Fhuqks,are funnier than schit. Hint.

You couldn't pick the XC out of the crowd. Hint.



Fhuqking LAUGHING!............

To each his own on dies, and decent quality Type S bushing die set is gonna be atleast 200.00 -300.00.
Bushing dies are all i will own anymore started that atleast 10 years ago my needs are to control nk and when lots vary on brass its almost a must in wildcating.
Peoples requirements are different but I dont ever let dies pick my caliber choices if I did I wouldn't have half the rifles I do.

HINT

Fireing pin holes on rem. don't need to be bushed, it's just a sales gimmick.

I know catered primers are just a sales gimmick.

The irony is that AI will allow more firings of brass. My 260AI has approx. 6% more case capacity albeit I do not load 6% more. To AI the smaller calibers is a personal choice and you will not get the value if you sell. MTG

I prefer short barreled rifles and that is one more reason to chamber an AI. You can make up some, if not all of the velocity you loose between a 20" barrel and a 24" barrel.

Thanks to all for sharing your perspectives. ... I appreciate the insight.

The saga continues......

I have a 700 ADL in a short action that pretty much any reload or factory loading would make primers look like extreme over pressure. Sent to Jon Beanland and had the bolt bushed. Never had another issue. It was about 100.00 and a two week turnaround.

So far, I am enjoying the .233 Ackley

I have been fire forming brass with 60 grain v max and some 68 grain Hornady seconds that I have.....nothing crazy on the loads, just getting familiar with the cartridge.
primers look good...CCI 400 for right now.....( cause I had 200 primed cases ) but will likely move to the 450 down the road.


Powder selection is with TAC, N 140 , Lever, ........ Any others???


Also gonna give the new Eld V/T a whirl .... But will likely lean on 70 + grain projectiles for distance

The Lee dies seem to size well and fit/ finished really really well for the < $40 cost and the Redding seating die is working like it should.....

I appreciate the insight and information that was thrown my way.... Thanks much

In my limited experience. The 257 Robert’s seem to benefit the greatest by AI, ing. It seems to even defy mule deers 4 to 1,rule. However without pressure testing equipment a person , other than usual visual, ease of extraction , Mike cases and etc. can not say if one’s running similar pressures. All I have is a chronograph and in my three Robert’s, one a commercial 98 Lilja barrel 257AI , the other two a kimber hunter and Remington 700 classic standard Robert’s, with comparable barrel lengths. The AI version seems to exceed the 4 to 1 rule by a small margin. I have two other AI chambering along with rifles of the standard flavor in 280 and 30/06 snd neither of the two seem to defy the 4-1, and in truth the 06 doesn’t approach it.
Be interested to hear what John B and Charlie S. Has to offer as I’am nothing more than an old charmer.

I wouldn't tear apart a good shooting 223 to AI it but if starting from scratch I really like the AI.

Some have had feeding problems with them but I haven't

Mine are 1 in 8 and I like the 75 amax/eld-m for what I do

1-7” and 88’s,take things to a whole ‘nother level. Hint.

You gotta go .620 BC .243” 112’s to top it. Hint.

Just sayin’………..

It goes without saying that the aerodynamic advantages of the 1-8 twist capable projectiles are exponentially more than the 1-12.......however, I grant that a 1-7 might be a smidge better.


Perhaps I will do a 1-7 on my next one......and I figure there will be another one.

.223AI's are rad!

I only have (13) 223AI’s and only twist rates from 7” to 14”. 1-7” is simply King,no matter the projectile,with 88 ELD’s and 90 Beer Cans stealing The Show. Hint.

Just sayin’…………

Stick,

I can dig a 1-7" .223AI launching 88's but 75's in a 1-8" is so good on game at insane distances I gotta throw down the gauntlet.

LOL.

Pass the 75's and hold the fluff.

Another class post from the Campfire Village I D I O T..... Hint......

BT/DT…whistle some 88’s through Critters and get back to me. Then squirt some Beer Cans. Hint.(grin)

Just sayin’………..

Having several AI rifles I love them all! Factory designs are good, made for mass production and easy for the end user but PO Ackley gave us something a little better to play with, like the 17 calibers.