I was looking at the CZ website and was disappointed to see that their 223 rifles are 1 in 12". Which 223 bolt action rifles are available with a 1 in 8" or a 1 in 9" twist?

Thanks!

Ruger is 1 in 9" Their cheap is also tight twisted. Remingtons tactical is 1 in 9, Salvage offers 1 in 9�.

Buy the 1-8 tikka in the classifieds now!

Tikkas are skookum!

thanks, I was checking that one out. I have never heard of any Tikka that was not accurate. I used to have a Whitetail Hunter in 30-06 that was sub MOA no matter what I loaded into it. That was factory ammo back before I started reloading. I'm an idiot for letting that rifle go.

I like Rugers!

The Ruger American .223 has a 1-8 twist.

Just remember if you buy a fast twist, not to push the lighter jacketed bullets quickly; or its shotgun city.

That's good to know. I plan to use it for coyotes and groundhogs and hopefully not mess up the pelt on the coyotes.

Depends on the light bullet. I've pushed 40-grain Nosler Ballistic Tips plenty hard in a 1-8 twist with no problems.

and 40 gr. varmageddons, Vmaxes, blitzkings here.. No breakups.

Not "light" in bullet weight, light as in construction. RPM destroys things, not velocity.
I already did the calling for you.

http://www.shootersforum.com/ballistics-internal-external/78073-f-y-i-varmint-bullet-rpm-limits.html

you do know this isn't new information, right?

I got a question for you dudes�

Shoot a deer with a cnc bullet in a tight twist .223, is it gonna perform, or blow up?

I know a regular 55 grain Hornady performs in a 1 in 12 twist�. but wondered if it would come apart in the 1 in 8???

I have 2 aftermarket one in eights, never had an issue with 40 VMs or BKs doing anything untoward. You'd have to really make them scream, which seems to me counterproductive anyway in a "big" 22 bigger than BR.
My old factory 1 in 9 Savage also shot 40s without issue, they never blew up, but the harder I pushed, the less well they shot.
I'm just WAITING for someone to neck down those x47 Lapua cases into some kind of nutz 22 wildcatt. Watched a friend shoot his 6x47 bench rifles and was impressed.

I'm betting they work great.. I have to load some of those up this season.

I've shot a couple does with 55 grain Hornadys out of an 8 twist 223 AI. They died promptly with no drama.

I've shot lot of light bullets through a lot of barrels, and in my experience it takes a HOT barrel and a very thin-skinned bullet ay very high velocity to cause problems.

Some years ago was shooting prairie dogs in Kansas in 100+ degree weather, with ammo using a new thin-jacketed hollow-point bullet from a major manufacturer. I was shooting a .223 and my buddy was shooting a .22-250, and he got the barrel hot enough to burn the forend of his walnut-stocked rifle. There weren't any flames but there was smoke, and we had to dip the rifle into the melted ice-water in a big cooler to put it out.

The other thing that happened was that even after cooling down his rifle in the water, after a few shots accuracy went to hell. We finally shot it on paper, and not only were the shots from a hot barrel scattered, but you could see a swirl of lead around each bullet hole. This didn't happen with the .223, no matter how hot it got. Both rifles had the then-standard twists for each rifle, 1-12 in .223 and 1-14 in .22-250.

Was also once shooting a VERY fast 6mm wildcat on PD's which belonged to a friend of mine. It had a 1-10 twist and after the barrel got warm some bullets didn't make it far. There'd be a puff of something dark maybe 5-10 feet in front of the muzzle, and no bullet strike downrange.

But I've yet to see anything like that happen with a .223 of any twist. Not that it couldn't, but it would take a heck of a lot of heat, probably enough to start cooking off rounds.

Kimber has a one in nine inch twist.

Good to know. Thanks PG!

Regular loads in one of my Savage FP's are easy to spin apart the Dogtown's.

Remington factory 50gr hollow points will go five into five-eights/in/100yd out of my Wylde 1in8 Montana Rifle AR barrel, about the same as it shoots 77gr SMK's

Savages are famous for really rough bores, which could be the cause of your problems.

Also, what grain Dogtowns are you using? Midway claims a 4000 fps limit, and a 223 could get there with the 34 grainers.

I've never had any problems with light plastic tipped bullets in fast twist 22s, and that includes a decent pile of 223s and 223 AIs, a 220 Swift, and a 22-6.

And sometimes it happens in a cool barrel with standard weight bullets. Several (too many) years ago, I was working on new loads for a 22-250 in Rem 700 varminter with a standard twist heavy barrel. The bullets were some double hollow point 50 grainers from Jim Calhoun. The groups were clustering OK when all of a sudden there were no more holes in the target for the next powder increase. It turns out the bullets were coming apart in mid-air, and those small dust clouds downrange weren't dust at all. Of course, on the outside of the box, Jim had printed on the box "Not for velocities over 3600 fps", or words to that effect. But hell, what guy ever reads the instructions...LOL

That's very interesting. I've shot quite a few Calhoon double hollow points, but not over 3500 fps! Can't remember if that was pure chance, or I actually read the directions....

I have had the odd bullet come apart in mid-air from a .223 with a 10 twist. Speer TNTs and NBTs�.always on a hot barrel day on a PD town somewhere and Ive done enough of that kind of shooting to wonder if maybe the bullet didn't hit a bee or other bug?

Instructions are for sux.

Until a few days ago would a hard time believing that about Ballistic Tips, since have shot a bunch of .224's from various rounds at up to 4400 fps from different twists, often with the barrels really hot, and never seen it happen.

But put some 120-grain Ballistic Tips through a 26 Nosler the other day at over 3500 fps and only two of five hit an 18x18" target at 100 yards. All the other bullets tried went into 1.5" or less, usually MUCH less.

I've had a few Barnes TTSX's shed their jackets...

I thought the 120 NBT had a beefed up jacket?

Marlin XS7 1-9

It does. I've used them and seen them used on deer-sized game at muzzle velocities around 3100-3200, from 1-8 twists, and they worked fine, both in accuracy and penetration. But 3500+ is another deal, apparently.

Nosler just introduced a 120-grain E-Tip 6.5mm, but didn't have any to try.

Cores out of whack/slipping perhaps?

That's odd.
Nosler solid base stuff is legendary for keeping obturation down and imparting rotational torque, by design. The impact extrusion method also is well known for "coddling cores" and keeping/having cores balanced.

I recall us having this conversation and mentioning how speed and twist proof BTs were!

I've never sectioned the 6.5 120 NBT, but have many of the other Noslers. I'd just read that it had a little more jacket. I've found accuracy in the 2850-2900 range and never worried about the bullet coming apart at that velocity.

I've yet to have a Nosler come apart that I'm aware of and I've shot a bunch of 40's in an 8" twist 223, including the Varmageddon. My 223 RAR Predator loves them at 3800fps...

I believe you're thinking of the 120 in 7mm.

Nope. I've sectioned that one. The jacket is thicker at the tip than the 140. I read it's the same jacket, but shorter, hence less taper at the polymer tip.

I've read on here (and heard it elsewhere) that the 6.5 120 is beefed up a tad too.

The 6.5 120 is pretty stout. The couple I've seen recovered were on angling shots, and were classic mushrooms. One of them went through a pronghorn buck's shoulder during it's journey.

I told my contact at Nosler about my experience and he found it very interesting--and brought up the new 6.5mm E-Tip. The fastest velocity listed for the 120 in their manual is a little over 3300 (.264 Winchester) so I don't think they've ever pushed it to 3500+--and the velocity in my rifle was above 3550.

Ruger

Remington's PSP Tactical.

Kimber

Salvage

Howa (be sure it's a new one)

I think that's all...



Travis

A lot of good info here. Thanks to all who responded. I'm going to take my time picking out a rifle instead of rushing into it like I have in the past. Decisions, decisions.

I vote Howa, for the record...



Travis

Remington's tactical model with the houge over moulded stock has a 9 twist. My e shoots pretty good. Just toss the houge and got a hs stock.

I've got a Win M 70 Coyote with a 1 in 9 twist bbl. I loaded up a bunch of Sierra Blitz 50 grainers that shot great at sea level, but when I got out shooting squirrels at a higher elevation they came apart. I figured it could have been the fact that the bbl was fouled from the 400-500 40gr Vmaxes I'd already shot or it was the elevation. Never even thought about it being a hot bbl. It was kinda neat watching them come apart but it kinda sucked having a bunch of rounds I couldn't shoot. I was lucky and traded about 1300 of em straight across for 40 gr Vmaxes to a nice fella on the fire!

Huh>?

I was being ironical

sure that wasn't copperical?

1:7 twist with Tikka T3.

Magazine length is also a standard length rather than shortened, can load 80gr to mag length and have a repeater.

Several models, sporter, varmint, tactical.

Can even single-load 90gr if they will group for you. Often need a 6.5 twist for those.

Where can I get one of these 1:7 twist Tikkas?

1:8 Tikka sporter

Shoots everything well

favorite load includes 52gr TNT and H322

You might be able to find a 1/8 before a 1/7...