|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 378
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 378 |
Regular loads in one of my Savage FP's are easy to spin apart the Dogtown's.
I'm a firm believer in the theory of " If it bleeds, I can kill it".
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 13,860
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 13,860 |
Just remember if you buy a fast twist, not to push the lighter jacketed bullets quickly; or its shotgun city. Remington factory 50gr hollow points will go five into five-eights/in/100yd out of my Wylde 1in8 Montana Rifle AR barrel, about the same as it shoots 77gr SMK's
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,910 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 8,910 Likes: 2 |
Regular loads in one of my Savage FP's are easy to spin apart the Dogtown's. Savages are famous for really rough bores, which could be the cause of your problems. Also, what grain Dogtowns are you using? Midway claims a 4000 fps limit, and a 223 could get there with the 34 grainers. I've never had any problems with light plastic tipped bullets in fast twist 22s, and that includes a decent pile of 223s and 223 AIs, a 220 Swift, and a 22-6.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,138
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,138 |
I've shot lot of light bullets through a lot of barrels, and in my experience it takes a HOT barrel and a very thin-skinned bullet ay very high velocity to cause problems.
And sometimes it happens in a cool barrel with standard weight bullets. Several (too many) years ago, I was working on new loads for a 22-250 in Rem 700 varminter with a standard twist heavy barrel. The bullets were some double hollow point 50 grainers from Jim Calhoun. The groups were clustering OK when all of a sudden there were no more holes in the target for the next powder increase. It turns out the bullets were coming apart in mid-air, and those small dust clouds downrange weren't dust at all. Of course, on the outside of the box, Jim had printed on the box "Not for velocities over 3600 fps", or words to that effect. But hell, what guy ever reads the instructions...LOL
Pursuit may be, it seems to me, perfect without possession. Robert Kelley Weeks (1840-1876)
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,205 Likes: 26
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,205 Likes: 26 |
That's very interesting. I've shot quite a few Calhoon double hollow points, but not over 3500 fps! Can't remember if that was pure chance, or I actually read the directions....
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,306 Likes: 2
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 78,306 Likes: 2 |
I have had the odd bullet come apart in mid-air from a .223 with a 10 twist. Speer TNTs and NBTs�.always on a hot barrel day on a PD town somewhere and Ive done enough of that kind of shooting to wonder if maybe the bullet didn't hit a bee or other bug?
Instructions are for sux.
"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,205 Likes: 26
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,205 Likes: 26 |
Until a few days ago would a hard time believing that about Ballistic Tips, since have shot a bunch of .224's from various rounds at up to 4400 fps from different twists, often with the barrels really hot, and never seen it happen.
But put some 120-grain Ballistic Tips through a 26 Nosler the other day at over 3500 fps and only two of five hit an 18x18" target at 100 yards. All the other bullets tried went into 1.5" or less, usually MUCH less.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1
Campfire Oracle
|
Campfire Oracle
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 96,121 Likes: 1 |
I've had a few Barnes TTSX's shed their jackets...
"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,314
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,314 |
Until a few days ago would a hard time believing that about Ballistic Tips, since have shot a bunch of .224's from various rounds at up to 4400 fps from different twists, often with the barrels really hot, and never seen it happen.
But put some 120-grain Ballistic Tips through a 26 Nosler the other day at over 3500 fps and only two of five hit an 18x18" target at 100 yards. All the other bullets tried went into 1.5" or less, usually MUCH less. I thought the 120 NBT had a beefed up jacket?
I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,945
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,945 |
MAGA! This is the way!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,205 Likes: 26
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,205 Likes: 26 |
It does. I've used them and seen them used on deer-sized game at muzzle velocities around 3100-3200, from 1-8 twists, and they worked fine, both in accuracy and penetration. But 3500+ is another deal, apparently.
Nosler just introduced a 120-grain E-Tip 6.5mm, but didn't have any to try.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 21,980 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 21,980 Likes: 1 |
Cores out of whack/slipping perhaps?
That's odd. Nosler solid base stuff is legendary for keeping obturation down and imparting rotational torque, by design. The impact extrusion method also is well known for "coddling cores" and keeping/having cores balanced.
I recall us having this conversation and mentioning how speed and twist proof BTs were!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,314
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,314 |
I've never sectioned the 6.5 120 NBT, but have many of the other Noslers. I'd just read that it had a little more jacket. I've found accuracy in the 2850-2900 range and never worried about the bullet coming apart at that velocity.
I've yet to have a Nosler come apart that I'm aware of and I've shot a bunch of 40's in an 8" twist 223, including the Varmageddon. My 223 RAR Predator loves them at 3800fps...
I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,891 Likes: 12
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 44,891 Likes: 12 |
Until a few days ago would a hard time believing that about Ballistic Tips, since have shot a bunch of .224's from various rounds at up to 4400 fps from different twists, often with the barrels really hot, and never seen it happen.
But put some 120-grain Ballistic Tips through a 26 Nosler the other day at over 3500 fps and only two of five hit an 18x18" target at 100 yards. All the other bullets tried went into 1.5" or less, usually MUCH less. I thought the 120 NBT had a beefed up jacket? I believe you're thinking of the 120 in 7mm.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,314
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,314 |
Nope. I've sectioned that one. The jacket is thicker at the tip than the 140. I read it's the same jacket, but shorter, hence less taper at the polymer tip.
I've read on here (and heard it elsewhere) that the 6.5 120 is beefed up a tad too.
I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,205 Likes: 26
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,205 Likes: 26 |
The 6.5 120 is pretty stout. The couple I've seen recovered were on angling shots, and were classic mushrooms. One of them went through a pronghorn buck's shoulder during it's journey.
I told my contact at Nosler about my experience and he found it very interesting--and brought up the new 6.5mm E-Tip. The fastest velocity listed for the 120 in their manual is a little over 3300 (.264 Winchester) so I don't think they've ever pushed it to 3500+--and the velocity in my rifle was above 3550.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
I was looking at the CZ website and was disappointed to see that their 223 rifles are 1 in 12". Which 223 bolt action rifles are available with a 1 in 8" or a 1 in 9" twist?
Thanks! Ruger Remington's PSP Tactical. Kimber Salvage Howa (be sure it's a new one) I think that's all... Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,274
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,274 |
A lot of good info here. Thanks to all who responded. I'm going to take my time picking out a rifle instead of rushing into it like I have in the past. Decisions, decisions.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13
Campfire Sage
|
Campfire Sage
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 115,424 Likes: 13 |
I vote Howa, for the record...
Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,798
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 6,798 |
Remington's tactical model with the houge over moulded stock has a 9 twist. My e shoots pretty good. Just toss the houge and got a hs stock.
|
|
|
|
536 members (1minute, 10gaugemag, 1lessdog, 06hunter59, 222Sako, 257 roberts, 52 invisible),
2,404
guests, and
1,194
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,781
Posts18,515,729
Members74,017
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|