I have a R700 (.30-06) laying around that nobody seems to want to buy...

I can put a .224 barrel on it (1:7 or 1:6) for under $200.

Should be able to reach 4,000+ FPS.

Barrel should last 500+ rounds maybe... then rebore to another caliber...

Anyone else ever done this... would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks

Case capacity is HUGE!!!

I happen to be swimming in heavy .224s (Nosler 80s) and .270 brass

i would build a 22-284, I have built a couple of 6 mm-284`s both shoot excellent and shoot real fast. good luck

Check out the 22/06 Easling. Believe P.O Ackley played with it some. It was made by necking down a 30/06 to 22 Cal.and shortening the neck .030. The shoulder angle is a little steeper than the 06 shoulder only known load was a 89 gr. bullet using 59 gr. of H870 powder, and a velocity of 3455 Fs.

Nope, but Ross Seyfried has written about his fun with a .22/.284. Can't recall if it was 1-8" or 1-7", but it was before that stuff got trendy.
IIRC, he was shooting 80gr bullets, pretty tame by today's standards. Looked like fun for someone with a place to stretch it out.

You might try the 22-378 Howell, I think Steelhead has one.

I'm sure people have, but WHY?
With so many other options out there, why something that will burn itself out so fast? I've thought a little about maybe a fast twist 22-250 AI in an 8 twist, but even that's a bit much.
That said, whatever you think will be fun for you is the entire point of this game. I admit I'd be a bit curious whatever results you get.

They make new barrels five days a week.

Like you said, it's all fun and games. How many guys here have elephant guns that will never go to Africa? (Or forty-eleven deer rifles?🤔)

There are descriptions of .22-06 cartridges in the old classics "Practical Dope on the .22", Ness, and ".22 Caliber Varmint Rifles", Landis. Both books printed in the 1940's, so there remains nothing new under the sun. None of them used full-length '06 cases, and 4000fps was bandied about.

Note that we have a wondrous selection of powders and bullets compared to what those guys had so modern efforts should eclipse those of 70 years ago. Even so, would you not be somewhat handicapped in trying to achieve 4000fps with super heavy .224 bullets? Easily do-able with 50, or 55's maybe, but 70-80's? (I don't know which is why I'm asking.) To that end, an old fashioned 1-12 or 1-14" twist would be fine if light-to-midweight bullets are used. A moot point I suppose, as the barrel would probably be toast by the time an accurate load is fine tuned.

I remember Larry Root bragging about his.

Would a 22-06 approximate the 22 Newton?

All right then...

Guess I'll sell the pills and try a 6.5-06 instead... just because.

Thanks for the opinions

Don't wuss out on us now; we were just getting interested!

Yup it's worth bragging about. With a 70 gr TSX 3700 is no issue with 3/4 moa groups to 400 yards. Shoots even better w/Sierra 80 gr HPBTM.

Kills very well but, as with most TSX kills shots are pass throughs.

R.F. Sedgley Deluxes. the 22-06 is the bottom one the upper a 6.5x55.

Now QUICK, rush to ban this ID. Doesn't matter, I'm going away until after the elections.

Not near long enough. Best idea is just go away and never come back. 😀

Perhaps we'll run into each other in Fredericksburg this summer Larry!
Although, not a wise idea to brag to others your plan to goad me into a confrontation hoping I'll physically assault you.
Not a smart move to goad people into a physical altercation, especially in Texas!

Stupidity is seemingly in vogue and it's always nice to laud laurels in accordance.
I see you've the innate capacity to run for gold.... (might be a pun there)

While in Fredericksburg, be sure and pay your so called "cyber forensic PI" a visit and punch him in the nose and demand a refund! lol

Be sure and cinch your padded helmet extra tight when laying down for your afternoon nap. Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself while dreaming your ludicrous, delusional and bizarre dreams of "confrontation"!

Gee FO, sounds like a bit of a panic setting in ?

I said nothing of the kind. No one needs to goad you into anything. You are the resident hater in chief who just cannot stand to have anyone here you cannot cow/control. If you are represenative of "Texas tough guys", no one is trembling.

Why would I ever ask for a refund ? The information was 100% correct, as you well know from your wilted garden. (chuckle).

Dust off your "Mogambo" safari suit (although doubt it will encircle your girth anymore) and pose for your fans.

As for stupidity, I'd opine that someone who spends 10 years harassing other people while hiding behind a screen name is a poster boy for stupidity.

Not everyone is as forebearing as am I as will become obvious as matters in California will prove.

See you at 1435 E Main St. this summer, I'll be wearing that dress you like so much -------- chuckle !

BTW, you should quit smoking !

Howling with laughter.

I'm not the one that calls the Sheriff Dept., Police, FBI, SS, and secret squirrel brigade. That's your MO sugar tits.
And "hiding"... I've been here in plain site for years under ONE screen name. You? Well over a hundred screen names (and counting!) to attempt to circumvent your banishment. When called out, you pretend to be someone else. Your wife... your dufus friend... your dog... all to no avail. You can't hide. You're easy to spot.

The things you "know" and so adamantly and feverishly type out with your lady fingers is humorous. Wilted gardens, walls, smoking, occupation, income, etc.... all wrong! Better demand a refund Lawrence. You got ripped off!

See you soon! lol

Larry, we don't hate, we just enjoy making fun of you and your countless idiotic attempts to hide your persona. Kinda like trying to hide a skunk in a French whorehouse (not that I've ever been in one, mind you)...

"Under one screen name" BUT too frightened to ever reveal who you really are.

Well, William those who wanted/needed to know ---- DO ! LMAO.

Easy to hide in plain sight when running the site has been ceeded to you.

See you sent out the word to the other nobodies like the USN taxi driver.

Fun to see you past tense wannabes squirm in nowhere TX and God's waiting room in FL.

Whose going to Safari Club for you this year ?

Wonder where this azzhat is hiding now with his Moro wife ?

How about 6mm-06? That's what I did with my SAKO AIII. 3350 fps is plenty fast enough.

Poor Root. Still pathetic and a pariah.

Where's part 3 and 4 you psychotic delusional twat? Get busy beotch. 'Fire needs some lulz (everyone laughing at you, not with you). It's your story and delusional twatter. Make it good, but be careful swinging that purse.

You go girl!

Montana Badger . . . "Case capacity is HUGE!!!"

Yes it is. With modern powders, not as much "overbore" as it used to seem.

The .22 Newton did use necked down 30-06 brass with the shoulder set back, resulting in capacity of 54-55 grains of water/@3.5 cc (vs 68 gr H2O/4.4 cc for 30-06). The .270 Win or 25-06 case might be easier to work with, since they would require fewer steps and less effort in the necking-down procedure, although I like to avoid using cases with a confusing headstamp, if you already own a .270 or 25-06.

The 22 Newton used a .227/.228 bullet, which was the small bore before the .224 became popular. Bullets are a problem for the purist. A .224 Newton could avoid that hurdle. Or your idea of a 6.5-06 is also interesting. Much easier to make the cases and you will have a long-action 6.5/284 equivalent. Cooler than even a Creedmoor.

Let us know how your project turns out.

I believe the .22 newton is equal to a .224 TTH( .22/6mmrem. ) Which aint a horrible place to be, and if industrious could still use up some .270 brass. With the newer slow burning powders a .22-06 is more feasible then ever. I say build it, why not?????

At least he's only hiding behind one screen name, unlike someone else that posts here.

I never thought it would be that easy to smoke out a cockroach.

larry root is like a stinky, sticky turd you wipe, but starts itching an hour later because you missed a little.

larry root is like a stinky, sticky turd you wipe, but starts itching an hour later because you missed a little.

Few things as humorous as an ardent gender confused geriatric TROLL feigning fortitude.

Be sure and open your yap all the way Larry, so as to get both of your feet in there!

This thread caused me to get lost again in Landis's book and he states the .22 Newton was "made by swaging and necking down the 7mm Mauser cartridge." Other mega-velocity wildcats of the era that were iterations of the generic ".22-06" were made with '06 cases re-sized to essentially 7x57 capacity. Like I said earlier, probably as a nod to the lack of optimal powders back then. (Although both refer to loads built with 4350, which was about as slow as it got in the late 40's. Surplus 4831 hadn't arrived yet.) Newton saw the cartridge as a long range medium game cartridge, with original performance being a 90 grain bullet at just shy of 3200fps- none too shabby for 100+ years ago..

Ackley stated that he felt 7x57 cases represented optimal case capacity for .22's, at the time. He did base his .228 Ackley Magnum on the full length '06 case though.

I'm merely reporting on state of the art circa 1946. I know not what direction .22-06 case design/capacity took since then.

What really caught my eye in Ness's book was a couple .22 wildcats based on the H&H Magnum case, with wild velocities in the 4000 fps range with 70 grains 4350 and 65 grain bullet. Who knows for sure- they were guesstimating for the most part (and quickly burning out barrels in the process). One cartridge, a .22 based on the .348 case claimed to hit 4300fps with 60 grains 4350 and 40 grain Sisk bullet, confirmed at a General Motors test range in California in 1945.

My god, what a freewheeling time for wildcatters. I often wonder how many eyes and hands were lost back then too.

6mm Remington on a long action with RL 19 will do that....with I am sure, less powder... 10 grains plus I bet.

I guess I should have stated that it shoots 105 gr HPBT at 3350 fps. Will the 6mm Remy do that with 10 grains less powder?

I appreciate the info, but it's not my project.

Fair Question....

46 grains of Rl 19 will send a 115 grain Berger at 3250s fps out of a 24 inch Barrel... bullet seated to long action
magazine length....

same load will run the 105 at 3350 fps... same info as above...

Pac Nor barrel, one in 7 twist...

Comparing the 6mm Rem in this application vs the 6mm/06, is exactly the same logic as
the 6.5 Creedmoor is vs say a 260 or the 6Creedmoor Vs 243...

bullet is seated less in the powder room, and more outside of it...looks like a mini ICBM...

This comparison is only availabe if the 6mm Rem is utilizing a long action...

on a short action its possible but it has to be a single shot with the chamber throated for a long finished cartridge.

I’ve been working with 3 brand new 6mm/06’s lately. One thing about odd six brass, it’s plentiful and a lot cheaper than 284 brass. If you have a cheap barrel and brass on hand along with a 22 neck sizer you sure don’t have much to lose. Please post velocity’s. I get 3900 with 70 noslers in the 6mm06. H414 powder and 27” barrel.

Come to think of it, a 5.56 by 57 would be less ridiculous than a 22.06.

22 TTH.....

Kinda my logic... last batch of bulk .30-06 brass I bought was $20/500 (primed)... .223 take-off barrels are about free and the R700 ADL came to me on trade (and has NO TAKERS at $350)... so I figured I would play around some. Also swimming in Nosler 80 gr CC pills from SPS. Problem is the .223 take off barrel is 1:12... and I need 1:6 (possibly 1:7)

http://www.bergerbullets.com/twist-rate-calculator/

http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/lengths/lengths.shtml#Nosler

That... and the Root "taint" got me thinking something else.

...I already have two 9.3x62M

Maybe a 6.5-06 A-Square

Love having data already published... https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/65-06-a-square/

8 twist would stabilize 80 grain noslers easily

Have a 22-06 that my father-in-law either had built, or bought. It has a 28 in. Douglas barrel, mauser action, and a thumbhole stock with very nice wood.
I have the dies, although could not find load info. The good people at western powders gave me load data, after supplying them needed cartridge measurements.
Did some moderate loads with 55 gr. Vmax bullets at 3850 fps. And are about .5 moa. All of this took place 8 or nine years ago, what is interesting is that I found his load data today in a cigar box with a bit of brass. One of the loads is a 60 gr. Bullet just over 4000 fps.
This is a standard 06 case necked down. It comes out once a year, as my brother-in-law packs this 9 pounder on our annual coyote hunt. It has killed one or more dogs every year. We always think of father in law, when a dog expires with his rifle. His last name by the way is Newton

22-06 is really kinda pointless as it just burns more powder to get the same result as a swift....a 6mm-06 might be a better choice as you could probably get 4000 out of a heavier bullet...

Why would anyone try to come back to a site that has kicked him off? Is there nothing else in this guy's life? This is sad and disgusting on so many levels.





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look at Big Schtick....

the answer to your question is more obvious with him....

so I am sure the same answer applies to others that do...

only less intensely...

You can say that again.

My grandfather has a 22-06 surprisingly enough there was a local gunsmith up here that kind of made them popular locally for a while. His is an Enfield action, 24" Lija 1:8 twist barrel. We size down 25-06 brass and it isn't as much of a pain in the ass as using 30-06 brass. 55 grains of H1000 under an 80 grain SMK is moving along at around 3600. It is a hard hitting varmint rifle for sure but kind of overkill for most varmints and tends to make a mess on whatever it hits.