This subject comes up quite often on firearms for sale.

I just sold a rifle to a shooter California. If the FFL in California will accept the rifle from an individual the sale is like anywhere else out that socialist/communist state. If the FFL dealer won't accept from an individual, you have to send the rifle through a pre-authorized FFL dealer here in the free portion of the country. In this case I had to drive quite a ways due to living in a rural area. That was all that was required.

Just FYI, for an FFL to be authorized takes the FFL about 15 minutes and then about 3 minutes to print an authorization to ship.

It’s unfortunate some decide to make it a big deal.

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CA FFL's will accept shipment from an individual as long as they send copy of their drivers license with wet signature.

some will. The one I sent the rifle to, would not.

It's just that easy.

I sold a rifle on the 'Fire to a member from California and it was quite simple. He had an FFL there that received it from me (shipped direct with my ID enclosed). It was no big deal at all. The trick (IMHO) is for the California buyer to scout out the FFL there that is easy to work with and knows the drill.

Then the buyer should have found another FFL. Simple...

It wasn't that simple.

FFLs are not all created equally

Ok, maybe not simple but there are a lot of FFL's in CA so it shouldn't have been that big of an issue for the buyer to find another one to save you the hassle on your end.

And that is how simple it is but when some people get an FFL, they invent reasons to not do things they can do and some charge crazy prices for a few minutes of work.

The guy was perhaps 90 years old. I looked up a 1/2 dozen FFL holders near him and let him choose. He didn't like one or two of them. The one he chose would not accept the rifle from me. I could have told him the deal was off, but it was my 416 Rigby that I wanted to sell and he had plans on going on his last African hunt. He wanted the rifle, but it was my responsibility to find a pre-approved dealer on my end.

Maybe FFL dealers should get the paperwork. My close friend who I do 99% of my business through said the paperwork was a pain in the back-side. (ass)

I'm posting this to let people know that sending rifles to the socialist republic of California isn't as hard as some believe.

Not Hard At All...I Dont Send Them...Lessons Learned Years Ago..

I've never had a problem receiving a legal firearm from someone out of state. The biggest hang up has been people just not willing to ship to CA, trying to get back at the state for it's laws or something and in the process throwing there brothers in arms under the bus.

Exactly! I would not be inclined to sell or ship to those individuals either.

Sellers not wanting to deal with Californians has saved me a ton!

I agree with most of what's been said here but the amount of misinformation on this is incredible. A little more than a month ago I sold a gun to a guy in CA and pretty much told him what has been posted here. But he had two FFLs in CA tell him that the seller also had to be a resident of CA. (in other words no guns can be imported to CA). I emailed the buyer a link to the state laws/regs but he said he couldn't find an FFL who would accept a gun from out of state. Might have been fibbing (buyer's remorse) but I let him out of the deal. With my luck something would have gone wrong with delivery and I'd have had a heck of time getting it straightened out.

I've done a couple buys within the last couple months and I'm from California. ( a pistol and a rifle) I had to have the forum seller send through an FFL to my FFL. Very simple. My FFL said it's a new Ca. Law that transactions must be FFL to FFL. Sometimes FFL's get discounts on shipping. I think it's probably safer to go FFL to FFL. I think it eliminates fraud. Nothing gets me hotter than seeing "no sales to Ca" on an add. Give us West Coasters a break. Thanks for the posts......

FFL to FFL because of the pistol I believe.

You could just keep the people that don't sell to CA. in mind then you can exclude them as buyers when sell stuff here.

I was told by him (my FFL) all transactions to Ca. must be FFL to FFL.

Completely false. FFL’s and ignorance are sometimes our worst enemy, and they are unfortunately the source of much of the bad info out there

Having lived with the BS for 18 years, (retired from the Navy and got a good job here) Many FFL's in CA do not want to accept a firearm from an individual. No law says they have to come from an FFL.. It is what it is. The person in CA has to find an FFL that will accept from an individual. There is also another quirk, perhaps driving the requirement the CA DOJ requires an approval to ship. All online and easy to do (maybe not for some folks) (basically a check that shows the shipping dealer is indeed an FFL) This IS NOT required from an individual, only an FFL dealer. Had to jump through hoops several times. Now a pistol is something very different from a long gun. Then there is the "approved" list of pistol that can be shipped. IE a 29-1 is not approved on the list but a 29-3 is??? It gets crazier, a Browning High Power is OK, any year but a Colt 1911 needs to be specific as to year?? Three more months and I am OUTA here. Thank God. By the way it is no fun trying to ship from CA either.. Takes at least an hour and a "second" level manager at the Post Office to get them to accept a rifle for shipping.

And add to that the average charge for a transfer in this f ucked up State is at close to $100.00 which is obscene in itself.

Any where from $75.00 to $125 to transfer a firearm. Then you also get to pay tax on the entire receipt. Including shipping.. I have had FF'LS get pissed when I did not have a "receipt" for the transaction. Think Gunbroker from a individual. I have heard that the CA tax folks are much worse than the Federal ATF folks when the books are inspected.

My FFL charges $40

And only charges tax if the firearm ships from an FFL.

Yall making me feel guilty for not liking to pay $20-30 bucks for a transfer here in SC...

That’s set by your FFL and if he’s charging you $100 I’d find another guy.

Tax is only collected if the firearm comes from an FFL.
If it’s a private party shipping the gun it’s tax exempt.

It’s pure conjecture but the cynical side of me wonders if some of the crappier FFL’s out there are just BSing you guys on the tax thing and pocketing that money.

Many don't know the drill. CA doesn't have a lock on this..

Well, yes the cost is set by the LGS/FFL. Trouble is they are all together on the price. Tax is on anything other than a private party transfer (PPT) . IE any thing other than a face to face transaction.. PPT then no tax. A PPT can only be done in state. You have one shipped in you will pay.

Boss I don’t mean to break balls but there’s still a lot of bad info there. I’ll do my best to explain a few things in hopes it will help you avoid getting screwed

What do you mean they are all together on the price? My guy is 40 per gun, that’s it. There is another place closer that is 100. I simply do not use them. Obviously that is his fee and does not include 37.50 DROS fee which is fixed

Yes PPT is tax exempt but your definition of PPT is incorrect. ANY legal gun shipped to my FFL from any private party is a PPT and is therefore tax exempt. It does not have to come from within CA borders.

If I buy a M1 Garand from billybob in Texas and HE packs it up and ships it to my FFL, it’s a PPT and I pay no tax

If I buy an ON ROSTER or C&R eligible handgun from John Smith off guns international and he packs it up and ships it to my FFL it is a PPT and tax exempt

If he takes it to his FFL and has him ship it to my FFL then I have to pay tax on the purchase price. That’s the silly part of the tax law that I wish weren’t true but is.

The only merit a “face to face” transaction has here is for transferring OFF ROSTER handguns between two CA residents. An example would be if you had a glock 43 for sale you cold ship it out of state but if I wanted to buy it we would both have to go to the ffl at the same time and do a PPT.
Other than that face to face means nothing
If you go to the handgun section of calguns you will see lots of guns for sale that say off roster/no shipping. You cannot ship an off roster gun to me to do paperwork, you have to be there as well.

Long winded but hopefully that clears a few things up..?

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Calguns.net.

Anything and everything you ever wanted to know about guns and Kommiefornia.

You can find FFL's to network. Even have their own subforum.

There are out of staters both private and retail that regularly advertise guns for sale into Kali on that site.

Post a question in the correct subforum and you'll get answers from laywers, FFLs, LEOs and gun law experts in short order.

Yeah, that’s it, a big Anti-California conspiracy. It isn’t that easy to send guns to California and the hoops California makes for the out of state FFL is not worth the hassle. If it was, you wouldn’t see all the dealers that won’t ship to California.

Not talking about dealers - talking about individuals. And its stupid easy for an individual to send one in, unless you can't figure out how to photo copy your license. It's true and not a conspiracy. Ask some of the gentleman on this post, that are the worst offenders, that don't ship to CA. It's not because they can't copy there license.

Ok, if an non Cali FFL send an firearm to an FFL in California you have to go thru Cali DOJ and their hoops or form. Keep that in mind.

Also keep in mind for you Washington state folks trying to purchase semi auto rifles in neigjbooring Idaho is another no-no. If your from Washington you cannot bring in an semi auto rifle instate. It must be purchased within Washington if your an resident.

Problem is no one reports these Dick FFL's. By California law they are required to do private party transfers, and the fee they can charge is regulated. And NO WHERE does the law say that they have to be in-state party's, or that they can choose not to except out of state transfers. They are required to by law! Report there asses.

Phil

All I'm saying is this:

It's not too difficult to find some FFL to send guns to leftist republic of Californicate. I can't blame the poor people that live there (but I have no idea why!!). The dealers there have good reasons to be scared of the left wing state government and they may very well want all the I's dotted and the T's crossed before a gun is sent to them. In that case just get a FFL dealer to send it to them.

My FFL dealer explained it to me this way. Too many people do not know the laws on how to send a gun to a dealer, so some dealers just say: "Screw it, I'm going to require all guns sent to me to be from a FFL."

My Brother had a FFL class 1 and 2 license for almost 50 years. There was a guy that tried to buy some stuff from him (illegally) from out of state, my brother refused. The fed's forced my brother to testify against this guy. The guy had tried to do everything through the law, but the Fed's would not let him have a license - the Fed's admitted in court that there was no reason to deny him of this license by the way. They had him on wire taps and followed the guy around. My brother let his FFL go after he saw how the fed's worked this guy. I can only imagine how the Californicate law enforcement would be. Don't blame the FFL dealers there.

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Awe...GFY moron firearms are still legal here

You create your problem. You are not required to tell them it's a rifle.

Tax is not a sales tax, but a use tax. Placed on anything that enters the state for sale or use.

Phil

If someone can't understand that selling to CA isn't a problem, then they can't be trusted with a firearms purchase anyway. Such people are advertising that they should be steered clear of. Win-win. Those of us who are stuck here will gladly deal with the more competent folk.

I have 3 local FFL's and all receive guns with no issues, only difference is what they charge...

I agree 100%

There are more than a few FFL holders out there who are not the sharpest tacks in the box. I recently posed a specific question to three FFL s and got three different answers. Go figure.

I sold a Perazzi MX 2000 to a guy in CA a few years back,no problems in any way shape or form.
Don't understand why guys won't ship to CA as long as things are in order on their end, should be no problems.

Greg