Thinning of the herd continues:

For Sale: Browning BLR Matte Stainless Gray Laminate .358 Win to lower 48 and Alaska (excluding CA).

Original box and manual included. I have blurred the last four digits of the serial number in the pics.

Price: $800 + actual cost of shipping.

Payment via U.S. Postal Money Order. No trades. Price not negotiable

Rifle will ship U.S. Priority Mail insured with adult signature required from me a nonlicensee to your FFL holder. If your FFL dealer requires it be sent from an FFL, find another dealer. As it is not required by law, I will not provide a full photocopy of my DL. If your FFL dealer insists he have one, I can provide a copy with DL#, DOB and Photo blocked out. If that's not acceptable to them, find another dealer. See proof of what an FFL dealer specifically requires below.

Purchased this rifle new on Gunbroker from a dealer about ten to twelve years ago. I've not fired nor used it. See pics for condition. There are some very faint marring rub marks in the matte finish on the barrel and crown that don't show up too well in pics. You have to view them at just the right angle and light to see them. They are faintly visible in the top view pic of the barrel. The crown is not in any way compromised. See pics. The auction ad stated it was on display in store and could sell before any bids were placed when I bid on it. I believe these faint marks are from store handling. The bore and inside of the action are pristine. It has a Red Fiber Optic Front Sight and Satin stock finish with pistol grip.

This is a discontinued model. Here is a link to Browning's website about it. Scroll down to the fourth model listed. You can view the stock photo including a high res downloadable one where the fiber optic sight shows up better. Select the correct cartridge chambering for specifications. Browning BLR Discontinued Models.

Pics of the rifle below. More in image gallery: Image Gallery - BLR Stainless Laminate .358 Win

DL not required by law for a nonlicensee selling and shipping a rifle. A DL or official photo ID is required for the buyer (transferee):

Source: FFL NEWSLETTER - FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEE INFORMATION SERVICE - BATF, Nov 2008, pg. 7 of 12.

Relevant text from page 7 of 12. Feel free to provide this information to your FFL if they claim otherwise.

What do you expect an FFL to use to verify the rifle was sent by someone the age of 18 or older?

Makes me wonder what you're hiding from...

Thanks, Dinny

I once had my DL stolen from my wallet in a gym locker. The perp started a business in my name. Rented an apartment in my name. Skipped town with unpaid rent, utility bills. He also didn't pay the Sales and Uses taxes for his business. A year later, an enforcement officer for the State Comptroller of Texas siezed my bank account, sucked it dry and left a negative balance to the tune of many thousands of dollars. It got cleared up, but not without a lot of inconvenience. This was before the internet was really all that established. So I don't let unnecessary photocopies of my DL float around. That's what I have to hide. Do you show the person standing behind you the PIN you type in at an ATM or the password to your bank account DINNY? You don't have anything to hide? Some FFL dealers won't provide a copy of their FFL anymore. Instead they only provide the first 3 and last 5 digits of their license number to be verified using FFL EZ check.

Do you know why DINNY? Because of fraud. Ironically, no one can really make good use of an FFL's license copy to commit fraud unless someone is careless and doesn't verify that it matches whats in the FFL EZ check webpage. And I just sold a rifle (Remington 7600 35 Whelen for Sale). The FFL dealer did not get a copy of my DL. It wasn't the first time and won't be the last. No laws were broken. Reading comprehension is HARD I know, even when the words are in LARGE BOLD RED & UNDERLINED text. All that is required is a Name and Address. That's it. And by the way, it's in poor taste to drop turds on an ad or imply someone is dishonest with nothing more than you tossed out. You made yourself look bad here. Not me.

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My FFL won't accept from anyone they can't verify is old enough to conduct a legal transaction, seller or buyer.

That must have been an extraordinary event. Could probably get struck by lightning twice before that ever happens again. Look both ways before you cross the street and watch out for black cats.

Thanks, Dinny

Gringo Loco ,

A friend of mine had his life hijacked when his truck was broken into and wallet stolen .
He was a homebuilder and the POS wrecked his life for a long period of time - major stress out event for him .
Great rifle chambered in a great cartridge .

Nice Rifle.
GLWS.

Due to conditions of sale, I can’t buy. Good luck with sale, it’s a great rifle.

awesome rifle. I've got it's twin in the straight stock configuration.

reasonably lightweight, and balances well. pleasure to carry and PLENTY whompum upon arrival. recoil is significant, but not brutal.

priced fair too.

GLWYS.

Dang, that is a beauty right there. Great price on it too!

I have another BLR pistol grip .358 Win but it's walnut and blued and that's been my experience with it too. Not sure the difference in felt recoil vs the straight grip which angles down more whereas the pistol grip butt stock is pretty level and straight coming back. It is pictured below and the one I've been hunting with. I load it with 200 gr Hornady IL SPs or RNs with IMR-3031. Keeping it.

Beautiful rifle...actually both of them are! GLWS

AWESOME

Yep. BLR's are light and carry easy. That buck was rock throwing distance when I shot him. About 30 yards. He started quartering away just as I pulled the trigger. Bullet entered towards the rear of his left side rib cage, broke the opposite shoulder blade and lodged against the opposite ball joint. He ran about 30 to 40 yards. I have it scoped with a cheap Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5x32. It works fine although it's mounted a little further back than I'd prefer. Has 4" eye relief. If you look closely, you'll see I can't mount it any further forward because the fat ocular bell Bushnell's tend to have would interfere with thumb access to the hammer. A Leupold or similar would have more clearance. That or would need higher ring mounts. Those are Weaver lows which is about the lowest ring mount you can get. I also have the front iron sight removed because the objective just barely doesn't allow clearance there either. Factors to consider for those mounting scopes on the BLR. If I were scoping it again, think I'd put a Weaver V Classic 1-3 on it. I like low magnification for the deep woods and 3x is plenty for the occasional longer shots available.

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Dinny is right. Identity theft star5s with a DL, DOB, SS #, bank or investment statements.
Once someone gets a piece of the puzzle they begin to exploit it.
Nothing wrong with an over abundance of caution.
I speak to everyone I buy or sell an item.
If I don’t like what I hear, deal is dead.
I work in a regulatory world managing other people’s finances and rarely find phishing or people trying to get money out of accounts but it happens.
Twice in the last two years. Company fraud department caught one and me another.
I on the other hand can be easily found on the internet and the regulatory body and company policies are pretty clear cut.
Get caught doing bad stuff and I loose my licenses and income.
Word to the wise - be cautious.

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Happy Thanksgiving.

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Hell, my FFL won't accept out of state private party transfers without a copy of sellers DL showing address and a Bill of Sale either... I wouldn't. If not acceptable with both party's go FFL to FFL

Phil

Here is what your FFL is saying and why -
Disclaimer - I am not a lawyer, but the law is pretty clear that a FFL legally has to maintain a “who the firearm came from / went to record)


Where doe it say that in the law - 27 CFR section 478.121 - all FFL’s must retain records of any firearm records (This is the FFL Aquistiion and Disposition book)
Note - CFR = Code of federal regulations, 478 = commerce in firearms and ammo.
Or just go right to the ATF source......
https://atf-eregs.18f.gov/478-121/2019-06264#478-121

c. Each licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, and licensed collector shall maintain such records of importation, production, shipment, receipt, sale, or other disposition, whether temporary or permanent, of firearms and such records of the disposition of ammunition as the regulations contained in this part prescribe. Section 922(m) of the Act makes it unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector knowingly to make any false entry in, to fail to make appropriate entry in, or to fail to properly maintain any such record.

Notice the last sentence.... unlawful to make any false entry or fail to make an appropriate entry.... This means get some form of acceptable ID from the person sending you the firearm.
So this is NOT about drivers licenses... it’s NOT about 4473’s (buyers record / background check)... it’s about A&D record the FFL must keep by law.

BTW - Acceptable forms of ID... there are multiple, the Drivers license is one...

Just what part of the BOLD RED HUGE Font is in any way unclear? It is not required by the ATF. None of what you wrote states that providing a name and address is knowingly putting in false information, or failing to maintain a record. It isn't. Indeed, the FFL dealer puts in his log book the information provided to him. He has fulfilled his obligation, unless he knew, or had very good reason to know it was false. You're waving your hands there and implying that the failure to do an extra verification that the FFL isn't required to do is knowingly putting false information into his logbook. The buyer sends to my name and address payment. The rifle ships from my name and address. Perhaps I should require the receiving FFL to send me a full resolution copy of his DL, and that of the buyer as well for my records. It is just as illegal for me or any nonlicensee to knowingly sell to someone who is a felon or otherwise illegal to own or possess a firearm. A photocopy of an FFL license is just a piece of paper after all. Gotta have that DL on my records to prove the FFL is actually the same as on his copy. What you are implying is the FFL go above and beyond what is necessary. I can sell a rifle in person and the law would imply exactly what you have. If I KNOWINGLY sell to a convicted felon, I'm in deep doo-doo. But I could sell to one and if I didn't know and had no good reason to know, I'm not. The law doesn't require the nonlicensee selling and shipping to do a NICs background check and form 4473. If they did, then the DL or other ID like a U.S. passport would be required.

I use my DL with the actual license number blacked out when I ship and never had any one bitch.When I had my FFL I never sent a copy to a buyer,only the FFL licensee I was shipping to.As far as I am concerned the seller sets the conditions and if I can`t live with them I move on.Folks get butt hurt over minor things.At this time of the year we should be thankful to be alive and in decent health.Everything else is minor BS.

My take away from the last sentence, is the word “knowingly” to mean “knowingly falsifying” the information, or to “not” make the entry and to not keep the entry.

It does NOT say the FFL must become super sleuth....

“ Fail to make appropriate entry “. pretty much covers it...

The ATF actually trains people when they get their FFL on these things
- only those who don’t want to comply would ignore them, in which case they can get in trouble fast for not having records they are supposed to keep.

I.e. - you don’t have to be a super sleuth to ask for ID.. hell I did that when I worked at a Bar.. LOL..

Super Sleuth... Good one. But not a valid excuse ( I didn’t ask for ID ... I’m not a super Sleuth... hahahaha)

The BOLD RED FONT above which addresses this EXACT SITUATION of the requirements for a nonlicensee shipping to an out of state FFL dealer "pretty much covers it". The FFL NEWSLETTER is produced by the ATF to provide guidance to FFL dealers. It is vetted, produced and distributed. They can't provide that written guidance and then arbitrarily interpret another statute in direct opposition of each other to prosecute. A defense lawyer would carve them up in court. It isn't backhanded speculation by an internet poster copying and pasting a different regulation who chooses to interpret in his own fashion. KNOWINGLY .... means something. Nice try and thanks for playing sport.

If you don't want to send your DL that's ok. It's your choice on who you want to sell to. You have the right to choose that.

The FFL I currently use and the previous I used in a different location require either a copy of the driver's license or the sender's concealed carry permit. When I asked the first FFL about why he required it his answer was very simple...."because the ATF wants it when they audit me". He said on his last audit that any transfer that didn't have license info was a MASSIVE headache when dealing with the auditors. He said it was a big deal to go through the audit anyway but after the few that he didn't have driver's license info on them there was no way he'd accept a transfer without it. It's ok for him to require a DL for the transfer...he has the right to choose that.

I guess the ATF will have to come for me and my friend’s FFL.
I’m good without sleuthing at all.
It’ll be NH bound in a bit per our conversation.

George

Rifle is SPF to NH K9.

You’re exactly right! “Fail to make appropriate entry” clearly means to fill out fully and in appropriate entry locations on the form. Otherwise it would state “fail to make “verified” entry.

Supplied text clears up any assumptions, a drivers license is not needed and any FFL.

Just trying to be a “super dick”, a step above your everyday, run of the mill, super sleuth!