My Vortex caught a virus from the Leupolds that it was locked in the safe with!
Worked up a load for my .308 Bergara and desepite the 20 degree temp decided to shoot it and get it sighted in.
first three shot group about 4" right, elevation 0. No problem 15 clicks L should put it right on at 100. added 15L Fired another 3 right on top of the first. ???
Added 4L three shots now Left of desired zero.
Wound the windage turret full turn left and right. Fired 3 shots to desired zero.
This has been a reliable scope, but never really tested it in the cold. It gave the classic Leupold BS
Lefty
I hate it when they do that. The full turn left then right is a good idea when the clicks are dragging their feet.
Guy at the range today started hollerin about his crosshairs falling out. Looked through his scope and the crosshairs were laying over at a 45, and broke in two. Vortex.
I can help you out.
Box up all of those poisonous Leupolds and send them to me.
Im not a click counter…When sighting in I shoot the group, then while holding the crosshairs on my desired point of impact, twist the adjustment til the crosshairs are centered over the group I shot. Confirm and done. Ive got and had many scopes that wont adjust correctly but rarely have one that wont hold the zero, so I gave up on the frustration of counting the clicks.
Depending on the particular problem, dialing to the hole/group may not work either.
Ha! Thats a good idea WL205, I will try it sometime 👍......Hb
I can help you out.
Box up all of those poisonous Leupolds and send them to me.
Same here, i'll even pay for shipping.
Go to Dr. Nightforce and be done.....
The only popular brand more unreliable than Leupold.
My Vortex caught a virus from the Leupolds that it was locked in the safe with!
Worked up a load for my .308 Bergara and desepite the 20 degree temp decided to shoot it and get it sighted in.
first three shot group about 4" right, elevation 0. No problem 15 clicks L should put it right on at 100. added 15L Fired another 3 right on top of the first. ???
Added 4L three shots now Left of desired zero.
Wound the windage turret full turn left and right. Fired 3 shots to desired zero.
This has been a reliable scope, but never really tested it in the cold. It gave the classic Leupold BS
Lefty
What exact model of Vortex?
I hate it when they do that. The full turn left then right is a good idea when the clicks are dragging their feet.
If you have to do that with your scope, I think you need a different scope.
I played that game for years with some scopes. Weak design.
The only popular brand more unreliable than Leupold.
Not the higher models.
Another Gen 2 owner that’s going to find out all about the great warranty of Vortex. I can’t bring myself to own anything from them. It’s sad because I’m not loyal to any company.
I like the scope it's been my play gun and have shot it out to 750 and back. has tracked well. its a .308. Have shot it quite a bit since there seems to be no shortage of 30 cal components
Lefty
Im not a click counter…When sighting in I shoot the group, then while holding the crosshairs on my desired point of impact, twist the adjustment til the crosshairs are centered over the group I shot. Confirm and done. Ive got and had many scopes that wont adjust correctly but rarely have one that wont hold the zero, so I gave up on the frustration of counting the clicks.
That too is dependent on the mechanism working well, if not the clicks
being accurate.
If it is sticky, it may look good watching it, then jump on firing.
That's the problem I have with Leupold.
Move it a bunch, it only goes half as far as it should.
Move it that much more, it goes a bunch.
Move it half back, now it's as far off as in the beginning, other direction.
Funny, never had Tascos do that.
Im not a click counter…When sighting in I shoot the group, then while holding the crosshairs on my desired point of impact, twist the adjustment til the crosshairs are centered over the group I shot. Confirm and done. Ive got and had many scopes that wont adjust correctly but rarely have one that wont hold the zero, so I gave up on the frustration of counting the clicks.
That too is dependent on the mechanism working well, if not the clicks
being accurate.
If it is sticky, it may look good watching it, then jump on firing.
That's the problem I have with Leupold.
Move it a bunch, it only goes half as far as it should.
Move it that much more, it goes a bunch.
Move it half back, now it's as far off as in the beginning, other direction.
Funny, never had Tascos do that.
A brief synopsis of the next 10-20 pages of what happens after someone dares state they have trouble with Leupold:
Shortly there will be a gang of micro aggressed Leupold apologists along to explain to you that you don't know how to mount a scope, you expect too much precision out of a scope, you're too rough with your equipment, you shoot too many rounds in a year, you choose cartridges that recoil too much, you don't need to have reliable dialing because hold over is better, real hunters get closer to the game, etc, etc, etc.
Then they will go on a brief rant about how their Leupolds have never given them a bit of grief, so they can't possibly fathom that someone else had trouble with a single one of them. This will include a list of all the functionality they don't expect out of their scopes. It'll end with an American flag wrapped explanation of how merely stating you had a problem with a Leupold is just un American and that any Asiatic sourced optic (except the ones assembled in Beaverton, of course) should come with a copy of the Communist Manifesto, an AOC T shirt, and a one way ticket to North Korea. When it's all over you'll almost want to say amen because it'll have felt a lot like a sermon.
Contrarily, I have had a Viper PST 1-4x24 on my service rifle and have fired over 8,000 rounds through the rifle over the past 4 years and dial between each yard line during competitions and when chasing the wind at distance. It tracks perfectly and has held up perfectly. So far. 😊
Im not a click counter…When sighting in I shoot the group, then while holding the crosshairs on my desired point of impact, twist the adjustment til the crosshairs are centered over the group I shot. Confirm and done. Ive got and had many scopes that wont adjust correctly but rarely have one that wont hold the zero, so I gave up on the frustration of counting the clicks.
That too is dependent on the mechanism working well, if not the clicks
being accurate.
If it is sticky, it may look good watching it, then jump on firing.
That's the problem I have with Leupold.
Move it a bunch, it only goes half as far as it should.
Move it that much more, it goes a bunch.
Move it half back, now it's as far off as in the beginning, other direction.
Funny, never had Tascos do that.
A brief synopsis of the next 10-20 pages of what happens after someone dares state they have trouble with Leupold:
Shortly there will be a gang of micro aggressed Leupold apologists along to explain to you that you don't know how to mount a scope, you expect too much precision out of a scope, you're too rough with your equipment, you shoot too many rounds in a year, you choose cartridges that recoil too much, you don't need to have reliable dialing because hold over is better, real hunters get closer to the game, etc, etc, etc.
Then they will go on a brief rant about how their Leupolds have never given them a bit of grief, so they can't possibly fathom that someone else had trouble with a single one of them. This will include a list of all the functionality they don't expect out of their scopes. It'll end with an American flag wrapped explanation of how merely stating you had a problem with a Leupold is just un American and that any Asiatic sourced optic (except the ones assembled in Beaverton, of course) should come with a copy of the Communist Manifesto, an AOC T shirt, and a one way ticket to North Korea. When it's all over you'll almost want to say amen because it'll have felt a lot like a sermon.
Now that was worth the price of admission 🤣
Well said Sir
I buy a lot of the stuff Stick buys after throwing it around and running it through its paces.
He's never steered me wrong on scopes and their ability to track correctly, or hold zero, or just not break.
We own one vortex, and it came with a rifle.
None on guns that are fighting guns.
😅😅😅😅😅
My 300 does it.
Always wondered if it was me, it's light. It hurts after about 5 rounds.
My 308 did it. It's light, takes more to be uncomfortable though.
Rebeded it. Didn't help, changed to new mounts. Didn't help.
Put an elite 3200 on it. No Mo troubles.
And these guns were always off, year to year. Usually, low.
760 '06 was deadnuts reliable, year to year. Never had to re zero.
For 4 or 5 years. Then it needed moved horizontally.
And the whole turret came out instead of the cap.
Thanks Tasco.
3x9 Leupold on it now.
Not too bad. But not as reliable as the XXXXO was, until it broke.
(Yep, Hell bound!)
The 3x9 on a M-7 243 was there when I bought it used, 22 years ago.
Has never needed adjusted. Thats what scope is supposed to do.
1 out of 4.
Never had a clue it was the scopes, or common.
Untill a thread here. Started reading it.........The light bulb came on.
Most of my life I was too poor/tight to buy them gold rings.
But just knew they was the bestest.
Imagine the disappointment, and relief.
[quote=WL205]
That's the problem I have with Leupold.
Move it a bunch, it only goes half as far as it should.
Move it that much more, it goes a bunch.
Move it half back, now it's as far off as in the beginning, other direction.
I had a very similar thing happen to me at the range in October. VX5 3-15x44 on a Christensen Arms 300 Win Mag that I was shooting for a friend that was having problems getting the rifle to shoot decent groups. It took about 30 clicks (32 if I recall correctly) right to shift POI 3.5” at 100 yards.
A brief synopsis of the next 10-20 pages of what happens after someone dares state they have trouble with Leupold:
Shortly there will be a gang of micro aggressed Leupold apologists along to explain to you that you don't know how to mount a scope, you expect too much precision out of a scope, you're too rough with your equipment, you shoot too many rounds in a year, you choose cartridges that recoil too much, you don't need to have reliable dialing because hold over is better, real hunters get closer to the game, etc, etc, etc.
Then they will go on a brief rant about how their Leupolds have never given them a bit of grief, so they can't possibly fathom that someone else had trouble with a single one of them. This will include a list of all the functionality they don't expect out of their scopes. It'll end with an American flag wrapped explanation of how merely stating you had a problem with a Leupold is just un American and that any Asiatic sourced optic (except the ones assembled in Beaverton, of course) should come with a copy of the Communist Manifesto, an AOC T shirt, and a one way ticket to North Korea. When it's all over you'll almost want to say amen because it'll have felt a lot like a sermon.
You don't know how to properly focus a scope - was popular for a while too along with diamond coatings being real diamonds....
A brief synopsis of the next 10-20 pages of what happens after someone dares state they have trouble with Leupold:
Shortly there will be a gang of micro aggressed Leupold apologists along to explain to you that you don't know how to mount a scope, you expect too much precision out of a scope, you're too rough with your equipment, you shoot too many rounds in a year, you choose cartridges that recoil too much, you don't need to have reliable dialing because hold over is better, real hunters get closer to the game, etc, etc, etc.
Then they will go on a brief rant about how their Leupolds have never given them a bit of grief, so they can't possibly fathom that someone else had trouble with a single one of them. This will include a list of all the functionality they don't expect out of their scopes. It'll end with an American flag wrapped explanation of how merely stating you had a problem with a Leupold is just un American and that any Asiatic sourced optic (except the ones assembled in Beaverton, of course) should come with a copy of the Communist Manifesto, an AOC T shirt, and a one way ticket to North Korea. When it's all over you'll almost want to say amen because it'll have felt a lot like a sermon.
You don't know how to properly focus a scope - was popular for a while too along with diamond coatings being real diamonds....
Leupold actually melted the diamonds in diamond coat
To the OP how precise is your rifle that you can determine that a scope is not working right ?
To the OP how precise is your rifle that you can determine that a scope is not working right ?
It was probably the fact that he put in 15 clicks and shot a second group that landed in the same place as the first group… That is usually a good indicator that your scope isn’t tracking…..
Honest question…. Was your vortex vaccinated against the dreaded Leupold virus?
When I get a new scope, I crank the turrets all the way between the stops from top to bottom, and back, left to right and back, several times.
My purpose is to make sure the springs are compressing/decompressing as they should, smooth out any possible hitches, and spread out any inside lube.
In the cold, heavy lube can stiffen the springs, and you might have to go past your intended correction if you are decompressing the springs, then dial back to the desired point while compressing.
I know, I know.....get a 'good' scope and no worries.
The only scope I've ever had that was a bit 'hitchy' when new was a $199 Bushnell 3200 Tactical 10X 40mm. The elevation was the glitchy one.
After working it back and forth between the stops about a dozen times, it never bobbled again.
To the OP how precise is your rifle that you can determine that a scope is not working right ?
It was probably the fact that he put in 15 clicks and shot a second group that landed in the same place as the first group… That is usually a good indicator that your scope isn’t tracking…..
DIdn't read that part. A few clicks I can see but 15 seems to be a lot, unless there are other issues present..
Stand it up on a mirror and see if it’s movng
Stand it up on a mirror and see if it’s movng
Good idea. ^^^
Boar
Yes had several shots of Sweets, Bore tech, and a booster of wipe out.
Lety
Im not a click counter…When sighting in I shoot the group, then while holding the crosshairs on my desired point of impact, twist the adjustment til the crosshairs are centered over the group I shot. Confirm and done. Ive got and had many scopes that wont adjust correctly but rarely have one that wont hold the zero, so I gave up on the frustration of counting the clicks.
That too is dependent on the mechanism working well, if not the clicks
being accurate.
If it is sticky, it may look good watching it, then jump on firing.
That's the problem I have with Leupold.
Move it a bunch, it only goes half as far as it should.
Move it that much more, it goes a bunch.
Move it half back, now it's as far off as in the beginning, other direction.
Funny, never had Tascos do that.
Exactly why in the aforementioned process the step "confirm" exists. If the confirmation attempt fails then yes, there may be another issue to deal with.
Depending on the particular problem, dialing to the hole/group may not work either.
Bingo.
It may not move until you dial in some more, then suddenly move more or less to where all the clicks add up to.
Some years back, an article by John Haviland quoted some Leupold guy’s advice about running the knobs all the way back and forth several times before trying to sight in. I’ve done that and it seems to reduce the amount of tomfoolery involved, but the easier method is to buy something else and eliminate Tom and his foolery altogether. One would think that they’d include that little trick in the manual, but I suppose that would be an admission of sorts.
FWIW, both of the dual bias spring Leupold scopes I’ve owned adjusted just fine. Burris FFs have dual springs IIRC. Hmmm…..
I remember reading something somewhere I can’t remember years ago about Leupold scopes not adjusting right and a person stated that the reason was that Leupold used a grease on the leaf springs that over time would harden and so when you dialed the adjustments sometimes they would stick somewhat and would only move a little after you shot or tapped on the scope to break the grease weld loose. They said that’s why it was good idea to tap on scope and run the adjustments down and back to loosen and spread the grease so that it would adjust right. It may not be true but when you said that the scope adjustments may not move or move more than adjusted after a few shots it kind of seems like maybe it’s true. I don’t know just saying.
I remember reading something somewhere I can’t remember years ago about Leupold scopes not adjusting right and a person stated that the reason was that Leupold used a grease on the leaf springs that over time would harden and so when you dialed the adjustments sometimes they would stick somewhat and would only move a little after you shot or tapped on the scope to break the grease weld loose. They said that’s why it was good idea to tap on scope and run the adjustments down and back to loosen and spread the grease so that it would adjust right. It may not be true but when you said that the scope adjustments may not move or move more than adjusted after a few shots it kind of seems like maybe it’s true. I don’t know just saying.
And that, Sir, is how I was raised and taught by my father. To this day a rubber handled screw driver is part of my range bag kit. While sighting in a rifle and scope, out of habit, I tap the turrets after an adjustment is made.
Maybe that's why I've never experienced some of the sighting in rodeos gleefully reported here. Maybe not.
I remember reading something somewhere I can’t remember years ago about Leupold scopes not adjusting right and a person stated that the reason was that Leupold used a grease on the leaf springs that over time would harden and so when you dialed the adjustments sometimes they would stick somewhat and would only move a little after you shot or tapped on the scope to break the grease weld loose. They said that’s why it was good idea to tap on scope and run the adjustments down and back to loosen and spread the grease so that it would adjust right. It may not be true but when you said that the scope adjustments may not move or move more than adjusted after a few shots it kind of seems like maybe it’s true. I don’t know just saying.
And that, Sir, is how I was raised and taught by my father. To this day a rubber handled screw driver is part of my range bag kit. While sighting in a rifle and scope, out of habit, I tap the turrets after an adjustment is made.
Maybe that's why I've never experienced some of the sighting in rodeos gleefully reported here. Maybe not.
I was taught that and did the same years back. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Either way, It doesn't leave me feeling real great about dialing in the field with a high degree of certainty. Once you try something that flat out works without a bunch of special procedures and recitations of incantations, its tough to go back to turn and hope.
Most know that old trick, but one never knows whether the tap-induced sproing is the expected amount, or something less, with the rest to come at some undetermined point in time, like just before the finishing shot on some poor beast.Human nature being what it is, many will embrace the “now-correct” setting without thoroughly verifying it. Ammunition prices and scarcities may encourage that further. Wouldn’t be surprised if at least some of the little corrections needed every year with some rigs come from that, since most sight in, whack something, then put their rifle away until next time.
Not limited to Leupolds, of course, just their claim to fame
I remember reading something somewhere I can’t remember years ago about Leupold scopes not adjusting right and a person stated that the reason was that Leupold used a grease on the leaf springs that over time would harden and so when you dialed the adjustments sometimes they would stick somewhat and would only move a little after you shot or tapped on the scope to break the grease weld loose. They said that’s why it was good idea to tap on scope and run the adjustments down and back to loosen and spread the grease so that it would adjust right. It may not be true but when you said that the scope adjustments may not move or move more than adjusted after a few shots it kind of seems like maybe it’s true. I don’t know just saying.
And that, Sir, is how I was raised and taught by my father. To this day a rubber handled screw driver is part of my range bag kit. While sighting in a rifle and scope, out of habit, I tap the turrets after an adjustment is made.
Maybe that's why I've never experienced some of the sighting in rodeos gleefully reported here. Maybe not.
I was taught that and did the same years back. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Either way, It doesn't leave me feeling real great about dialing in the field with a high degree of certainty. Once you try something that flat out works without a bunch of special procedures and recitations of incantations, its tough to go back to turn and hope.
Honestly, were I seriously looking for "dialing in the field with a high degree of certainty" I'd just buy another NF NXS and be done with it.