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Posted By: MedRiver 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Anybody shooting the 45 TSX at .22-250 velocities on deer sized game?

My wife’s tang safety M77 shoots them well and I am kicking around having her pack it on a couple hunts this year.

Hoping to hear some real world performance reports. Any info on terminal performance is appreciated. MV, range, shot angle, game body size, etc. are all nice pieces of the puzzle.
Posted By: michiganroadkill Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
I shot a smallish whitetail buck using my R#3 223 with the 45 TSX. at about 100 yds.

In one side thru rib, thru chest, thru off side rib and lodged under the skin.
Dead deer.
Posted By: lanenebraska Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Yes they will work.
I find the 55g TTSX to be more effective,
And I am able to load it very close to the same speeds as regular 55g loads.
Posted By: blairvt Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
gotta ask. Why are ya'll using 22's on deer?
Posted By: hanco Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by blairvt
gotta ask. Why are ya'll using 22's on deer?


Wants it for Wifey. Mine uses a 243 with 80 Barnes TTSX So do grandkids
Posted By: MedRiver Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by lanenebraska
Yes they will work.
I find the 55g TTSX to be more effective,
And I am able to load it very close to the same speeds as regular 55g loads.


I wish my 1:14 Ruger would shoot the 53 and 55s better!
Posted By: MedRiver Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by michiganroadkill
I shot a smallish whitetail buck using my R#3 223 with the 45 TSX. at about 100 yds.

In one side thru rib, thru chest, thru off side rib and lodged under the skin.
Dead deer.


Thanks!
Posted By: kevinJ Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Why? Deer are rather easy to kill with well placed shots from 22 caliber rifles. They offer high velocity and low recoil. Surprisingly you really don’t need a magnum cartridge in 30 cal to kill them effectively and quickly.

My middle son will start hunting at 6 next fall. He is a little guy, but tough as nails. He will use either the 223 with 75bthp or a 300blk with 125 nbt.

I personally have killed 5 deer with a 22-250 and 55g vmax. Not a huge lot I know, but enough to convince me. They were opportunistic kills made while coyote hunting late deer season

All bang flops!
Posted By: MedRiver Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by hanco
Originally Posted by blairvt
gotta ask. Why are ya'll using 22's on deer?


Wants it for Wifey. Mine uses a 243 with 80 Barnes TTSX So do grandkids


My kids shoot .243s with the 85 TSX and it does well.

I think you could fill a 110 car unit train with the deer and antelope killed with .22 center fires in Montana every year. The right bullet in the right place turns out the lights as fast as anything. I just have never shot a bullet this light.
Posted By: ingwe Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Heres one taken at 247 lasered yards at .222 velocity with a 45 gr TSX



[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]
Posted By: MedRiver Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Great stuff Ingwe!
Posted By: Just a Hunter Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
I have always heard velocity is key to making TSX or the like work well. My son shot his first deer with Winchester 64g PP. They worked horribly. So what velocity would get them to work properly?
Posted By: CRS Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by blairvt
gotta ask. Why are ya'll using 22's on deer?


Because they work. cool

Have used the 45's out of a 22-250 and they worked just fine.
Posted By: Filaman Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by CRS
Originally Posted by blairvt
gotta ask. Why are ya'll using 22's on deer?


Because they work. cool

Have used the 45's out of a 22-250 and they worked just fine.



That's a little light for me. When hunting with my .223 (5.56x45) I use Speer 70 grain Semi Spitzers. Never had a deer survive one yet.

(I'm one of those "Dance with what brung me" guys.)
Posted By: MedRiver Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
I have always heard velocity is key to making TSX or the like work well. My son shot his first deer with Winchester 64g PP. They worked horribly. So what velocity would get them to work properly?


What cartridge was he shooting the 64s out of? What makes you say it worked horribly (lack of penetration, lack of expansion, shattered on bone, ???)? When I was hunting more with the .22-250 it was before I started handloading. I shot 55g remington softpoints because the were $9.99/box and they worked. Didn't own a chronograph but would guess they were going somewhere between 3400-3600 out of my 22" barrel.

The only deer I have seen shot with a 60-65 grain soft point (I cant remember if it was a Sierra 65 or a Winchester 62 as it was my buddy's rifle) was with a .223 out of a stubby AR. One and done on a young muley at 100 yards. I don't know the velocity but would be pretty mild I am sure.
Posted By: beretzs Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by ingwe
Heres one taken at 247 lasered yards at .222 velocity with a 45 gr TSX



[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


Looks barely dead grin
Posted By: HuntnShoot Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by kevinJ
Why? Deer are rather easy to kill with well placed shots from 22 caliber rifles. They offer high velocity and low recoil.



Yep. I've seen exactly zero difference on deer with well-placed shots with 22 cals (which is rather easy to do because of the lack of noise and recoil) compared to 243 or 270 or 280 or 30-06, and several other cartridges. They all died very quickly, and none went very far.
Posted By: Just a Hunter Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Originally Posted by MedRiver
Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
I have always heard velocity is key to making TSX or the like work well. My son shot his first deer with Winchester 64g PP. They worked horribly. So what velocity would get them to work properly?


What cartridge was he shooting the 64s out of? What makes you say it worked horribly (lack of penetration, lack of expansion, shattered on bone, ???)? When I was hunting more with the .22-250 it was before I started handloading. I shot 55g remington softpoints because the were $9.99/box and they worked. Didn't own a chronograph but would guess they were going somewhere between 3400-3600 out of my 22" barrel.

The only deer I have seen shot with a 60-65 grain soft point (I cant remember if it was a Sierra 65 or a Winchester 62 as it was my buddy's rifle) was with a .223 out of a stubby AR. One and done on a young muley at 100 yards. I don't know the velocity but would be pretty mild I am sure.


18"barrel,.223 Rem. Not sure of the velocity now, factory loads. Deer shot 4 times at an average of 100 yards. 2 in the lungs, one in the liver and one broke the front leg and deflected down taking hair off the brisket and into the dirt. It was at an angle that if it had penetrated the chest wall it was inline with the heart, but it turned ~90 degrees after hitting the leg bone.. Bullets didn't appear to expand from the look of the wound channels, but also didn't exit. We had it processed so didn't find any bullets ourselves. The deer stood for quite awhile and it wasn't until blood started coming out of his nose did he wobble and fall down.
Posted By: CRS Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/09/20
Shot placement trumps!

I will take 22 in the right spot over bigger in the wrong spot every time. cool
Posted By: DubThomas Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/10/20
Not the 45, but the 50 grain TSX out of my wife's Ruger has killed a lot of 200+ pound hogs and several nice deer.
Posted By: viking Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/11/20
What’s a good powder, 4895?
Posted By: MedRiver Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/11/20
Viking, I am running RL15. Good accuracy and velocity in my tang safety M77.
Posted By: lanenebraska Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/11/20
AA2230/xterminator is what I’m using.
Posted By: DubThomas Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/11/20
I'm using IMR 4895 and getting a bit over 3700 FPS with it. I loaded up some 55 gr. Win PP with some IMR 4064 awhile back and they were real tack drivers. More accurate than the TSX load, but I'm not sure how the bullet would perform at that velocity. Would it blow up or expand properly, I have no idea but don't want to risk losing a good deer over it. I,ve got a few left that I may load up for her to have some trigger time, but I haven't been able to find anymore. Therefore, I'll stick with the TSX.
Posted By: BigNate Re: 45 GR TSX on Deer - 09/14/20
Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
Originally Posted by MedRiver
Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
I have always heard velocity is key to making TSX or the like work well. My son shot his first deer with Winchester 64g PP. They worked horribly. So what velocity would get them to work properly?


What cartridge was he shooting the 64s out of? What makes you say it worked horribly (lack of penetration, lack of expansion, shattered on bone, ???)? When I was hunting more with the .22-250 it was before I started handloading. I shot 55g remington softpoints because the were $9.99/box and they worked. Didn't own a chronograph but would guess they were going somewhere between 3400-3600 out of my 22" barrel.

The only deer I have seen shot with a 60-65 grain soft point (I cant remember if it was a Sierra 65 or a Winchester 62 as it was my buddy's rifle) was with a .223 out of a stubby AR. One and done on a young muley at 100 yards. I don't know the velocity but would be pretty mild I am sure.


18"barrel,.223 Rem. Not sure of the velocity now, factory loads. Deer shot 4 times at an average of 100 yards. 2 in the lungs, one in the liver and one broke the front leg and deflected down taking hair off the brisket and into the dirt. It was at an angle that if it had penetrated the chest wall it was inline with the heart, but it turned ~90 degrees after hitting the leg bone.. Bullets didn't appear to expand from the look of the wound channels, but also didn't exit. We had it processed so didn't find any bullets ourselves. The deer stood for quite awhile and it wasn't until blood started coming out of his nose did he wobble and fall down.


Do you know which hit was first? It's been my experience that if the liver is hit first it seems they get enough adrenaline to make it seem messy. I haven't shot a lot with the 64gr PP but I do keep some in the truck for the AR. I have also used Nosler 64gr BSB, and also have some of those loaded for the .22-250. Just wondering, as many factors contribute, some just seem like they don't want to go down as easy, some collapse.
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