Lets say for whatever reason all you had was a spear, maybe a survival situation, or you are living during the ice age.. i've been pondering this for a few days... whether if you had a good sharp spear with a long shaft maybe 6-7' feet long and if a bear was to charge or try to maul you out of a hunger how long it would take for the bear to expire after you speared em.. provided you speared em right thru the neck or thru the brisket into the heart. Yes, I saw the movie THE EDGE, and NO that is not why i've been thinking about this. I actually saw a spear from Cold steel and was wondering what kind of damage this thing could do and then it got me thinking whether you could potentially save your life from a bear or other dangerous For this conversation I wanna focus just on big bears, because that is what I feel is the most dangerous animal to face close quarters and most likely animal you would encounter in the u.s. and canada and even in europe and russia.. The only animal more dangerous would be a tiger but chances of running into one are slim. I wanna hear what some experienced bear hunters have to say. The question here is not whether or not I could actually spear the bear.. lets assume that you did spear the bear, how long would it take for it to die.. .and could you then run away or would he just chase you down with a spear hanging out of em and maul you.. Obviously if your getting charged at 40mph theres no way you could pull off a spear thrust, but say a close quarters slow charge and you had a chance to spear em pretty good.

I think you should try. That will save us from anymore jackwipe posts from you.

I don't know if a spear would do it quickly enough. I'd feel much better with my .338 Win Mag.

First chain maille, and now this. You livin in a castle somewhere, or shackin with Maid Marion.....


maddog

LMAO!

you need to stop drinking.

Cut the kid a little slack. He might could provide some fun entertainment.

Sure,

If I had a long enough spear and was riding in a helicopter and the bear was chained to a tree asleep, blind, missing all it's legs and head and was ready to die anyway.

Yeah, you could do it, but you'd have to use a manly spear, not one of those little piss ant gopher spear. It's be even better if you had a half a dozen buddies with manly spears. And best yet would be half a dozen buddies with at least two that you could out run (always have redundancy).

Polska you might could but I don't think that I'd want to try.

Did chase a black bear off and island once long ago when all I had was an axe.

BCR

Seems like somebody a while back posted an article or story about an old Eskimo Man that killed bears with a spear. Polar bears maybe?? miles

Polska - There's only one way to find this stuff out...have at it boy!!!

Everyone that is anyone, knows you can kill a Bear with a spear....I saw it with my own eyes....



Jayco

Can I cheat and use one of the powerheads from my speargun?

Get yourself a copy of Sidney Huntington's Shadows on the Koyukuk and read about how it was done by those who have done it.

I have been false charged more than once by black bears and they move incredibly quick for their size. I have seen my share of grizzly in MT and browns in Alaska. Cannot imagine if a full grown grizzly or brown decided he wanted to attack me and having to defend myself with a spear. But then again this thread is either a joke or written by a city dweller lib.

Find a zoo in your city, smoke some weed, fashion a spear and climb into enclosure housing a bear and give it a try. Pics would be good

I feel this post is way out of line. You need to define "jackwipe."

Medeval hunting spears had a cross bar at the head to prevent large game from traveling up the spear to bite one.

Is chain maille a suitable substitute?

Yea, for all we know, the term may lend credibility...

Ppppfff. Only girly men need spears. Over the last 10 years men around here have been known to kill a Grizz with nothing more than a Buck 110...

"Ian Bailey
Vancouver � From Thursday's Globe and Mail Last updated on Thursday, Sep. 17, 2009 04:06AM EDT

With a grizzly bear straddling him, so close he could smell its �musky, wet-dog smell,� Rory Chapple knew he had one shot at avoiding a mauling or death.
The veteran bow hunter, flat on his back after tripping, with the 270-kilogram sow looming over him, pulled an arrow from the quiver on his compound bow and plunged it into the bear's chin.
There had been no time to draw the arrow and shoot the bear. Mr. Chapple's only warning of what was to come was a �huff, huff, huff� sound behind him.
He turned and saw the bear coming �full charge� at him.
He tripped, was on his back, then the bear was on him.
But the aluminum-shaft arrow with a three-bladed stainless-steel point did its job.
�Those [arrows] are designed to have zero resistance,� said Mr. Chapple, 39, of Fort St. John.
�Just like a hot knife through butter, they're designed to penetrate and cut. It went in lickety-split.�
He was aiming for the bear's mouth, �but my aim was off,� which was no surprise, as the bear was atophim, although not positioned in a way that put all her crushing weight on him.
What happened when the arrow sank in is hard to forget, he said.
�Instantly her breathing changed,� he recalled.
�I knew I hit the windpipe because she was having a hard time breathing.
�I could hear her breathing pretty raspy and gurgly.�
The bear withdrew as three cubs looked on �like a little audience watching the whole thing.�
She turned and moved away, but her movements rammed the arrow in further before it slipped loose and fell to the ground. Her cubs followed her into the bush.
Mr. Chapple said he yelled out to friends in their camp about 300 metres away. They yelled back, stumbling out of their tents.
�As soon as I got close to them, I just collapsed on the spot. Tears were flowing. I was pretty much a ball of jelly.
�I was just thinking how close I was to dying. Had I not happened to stick that arrow in exactly the right spot, there's no doubt I would have been mauled pretty good for sure.�
He suffered a sore back and his pants were torn.
All of this happened on Sept. 8 at about 6:30 a.m. after Mr. Chapple left his tent ahead of four hunting buddies, hoping to get an early start on the day's hunting near the Kechika River, eight hours drive plus a three-hour boat ride from Fort St. John.
Mr. Chapple has been an archer since he was 14.
He has hunted throughout his life, largely using a rifle, but decided to turn to a bow and arrow for the challenge � you have to get closer to prey than when hunting with a firearm.
He has taken black bears before, shooting behind the front shoulder through the heart-lung area.
He had always hoped to get a grizzly.
Jeff Ginter, regional operations manager of the provincial conservation officers' service, said from Dawson Creek yesterday that his staff plan to interview Mr. Chapple for further details on the incident to gather information on attacks for their database and to help decide whether the grizzly should be tracked down.
Other hunters may be at risk from the animal, he said.
Mr. Chapple and his friends went looking for the grizzly after the incident, but found no sign of her.
Mr. Ginter said, on average, three British Columbians are injured by black bears each year, and three by grizzly bears.
In the past 23 years, there have been six fatal attacks by grizzlies and eight by black bears, he said.
Mr. Ginter said Mr. Chapple's experience is unique.
�This is the first I have heard of an arrow [being used] like that,� he said, although he said he has heard of people fending off bears with knives and shovels, among other tools.
Mr. Chapple, an auto-body repair technician and president of his local archery club, said a friend is making a glass case for the arrow in question, now bent and twisted."




"Sat, August 25, 2007
Bear buster had no choice
UPDATED: 2007-08-25 02:46:09 MST
Hunter kills mother grizzly bear with knife as she charged and attacked
By DEREK LOGAN, SUN MEDIA

GRANDE PRAIRIE -- A hunter who fought off and mortally wounded a charging grizzly bear last week said he had no chance to run and was forced to defend himself.
Chris McLellan, 32, was scouting locations for bow-hunting in a farmer's oat field about 25 km southwest of Grande Prairie Aug. 15 when he ran into the mother grizzly with three cubs.
McLellan said the bear had been partially concealed by a knoll in the field and he didn't see her until she stood up in front of him 60 yards away.
"I started to shake, man," McLellan told Sun Media as he continues to recover from his injuries at an Edmonton hospital.
"I had a camouflage mask on so I took that off so that she could see that I was a human, thinking that would scare her away. I started waving my arms and screaming and it never fazed her. She just dropped down to all fours and charged."
There was no room for choice, said McLellan, as the distance was too short and the bear would have run him down.
"She never slowed down," he said.

"She never made a turn. She was attacking. There was no bluffing. She just stared into my eyes the whole time and you could just hear her coming, huffing and puffing across that field."
McLellan had driven out to the field down Secondary Highway 666 before turning onto Range Road 73 and driving about four km.
He had only a digital camera and a hunting knife with 12-inch blade when he encountered the bear.
"I put my knife above my head and waited for her to hit me," he said. "She just mowed into me like a football check."
The grizzly rammed into his stomach and then grabbed his left arm with her jaws. As the two went down, McLellan plunged the knife into her back between the shoulder and neck.
The bear then bit him on his torso and his right arm but McLellan managed to stab her again twice in the neck.
The grizzly then turned and walked way, allowing McLellan to get up even though his left arm was now broken.
"I didn't even look at her at all," he said.
"I didn't even know I had killed it until the following day."
McLellan then met a farmer who called 911. "

or the sheriff??

Did he mention what kind of detergent he used to wash out his pants?

A spear is gonna way overpenetrate............

Could you/one?

Sure. Been done thousands of times through the ages.

Preferably?

Hell no.

Polska, you live in New York; likely NYC. You haven't a clue about "big bears", will likely never be near one or have the chance to do so.

You sit at home and mentally (won't even postulate over the other) masturbate over the most inane, ridiculous schit.

You claim to hunt "like a man", yet haven't a clue as to hunting, per your other posts. Cabela's video games don't count.

Go back to your D&D games, your World of Warcraft, and your making of chain maille for your SCA compatriots.

And if it's a TSX spear, will it just pencil through?

Yup. The Athabascans have done it several times in the early to mid 20th century.



It just so happens that those Athabascan bear spears are copper tipped. They have wings that prevent way over penetration.

Didn't adult film star John Holmes kill a bunch of bears with his spear? No wait, they were beavers

Groan..........but good.

Sure it could be done, but how often and how reliably is the question. Definately not by me

Just wait until it gets right on top of you then stick your hand down his throat, grab his tail and pull him inside out and then he'll be running AWAY from you.

in cincinnati they had on of these trained wrestling bears a 400 bear named caesar,, i took my chances with him,, he was so strong,, 1 arm was stronger than my entire body,, so no,, aside from a 44 mag to the brains ,,i would not feel safe,,

this bear would go as hard as you would go,, i read sometime this yr that bear killed his trainer,, i believe that to be true,, could have been another bear,, and trainer

MacGyver could bring one down with a wad of gum, a rubber band and a paper clip. That fella on the movie "Up" brought down an animal way bigger than a bear with nothing more than his shaving kit. I'd imagine that either of those guys would be taking down bears two at a time if they had a spear.

Best

There's a guy over here called Davy Hughes, maybe you should look him up. He's hunted big bears a lot and wants to try taking one with a spear, you could join him.

Or start.

When I get into a survival situation, I always carry my trusty 7 foot spear right next to my chainmaille. Flinch

Well I remember some 7 years ago, when a women was attacked by a 300-lb blackbear in a state park setting. She yelled and screamed and a man came to her rescue. He grabbed a tree limb laying on the ground and smacked the bear twice across it's backside.

The bear already having the women down turned his attention to the man with the tree limb. He took the tree limb away from the man and killed him on the spot. Now both people were killed and the womens son had run off to safety and watched from a walk bridge some 75 yards away. Other people came in yelling and the conservation man was there also trying to catch up to them with his handgun. The bear was trapped later and put down.

I was once told by a trained Zoologist that had been working with bears for some 15 years, that a 300-lb blackbear is worse than 2 of the biggest NFL linemen with baseball bats in there hands.

Pistol wise I would want at least a .44magnum with heavy loads. I would feel much better with my .375-Wby though. Bears are far stronger and faster than 95% of peole can immagine.

in short sprints they will whoop bout any race horse you can find.....given an adiquate head start the horse will always win cause a bear aint built for endurance running but they are faster than most critters off the starting line.....

When they actually had to depend on spears to stop bears, I suspect they either had a bunch of guys surround it and stab it many times (add fire too) or used an atlatal to smartly cast the spear from a good distance away (and probably more then one) or some poor sucker got trapped and got lucky (mostly victory for the bears on that last one)

Even if you managed to get the spear into a killing blow, the animal would reach out and kill you, or run up the spear and kill you or fall on you and kill you or (add your own method here). I know old time bear and boar spears had a crossbar so the animal would not run right up the shaft and gut you.

I'd like to video someone spearing a black bear.

I'd be glad to lend the OP a buffalo lance, even a small axe, and let you film it for YouTube and the Darwins.





I'd even throw in a bucket of bacon grease, honey and donut bits.

the last grizzly killed in Colorado was killed with a arrow and no bow. At least I think thats what I recall from the story. Id rather have a spear than nothing at all

In Hawaii a few months ago I was talking with a local about pig hunting. They use dogs, knives, and spears there. He pulled up his shorts to show me some pretty damn appalling scars on his legs....

I'd not want to have to stop a pissed off bear, period. If I did I'd like a fast repeating rifle in a solid caliber. I'd hate to have only a pistol. And a knife or spear? Yikes.

Disclaimer: I've not fought a bear. However I have been in a standoff with one.

I'd like to see the video you take. Youse would have to be nuts to spear one, let alone video it

I'll show you the vid when it's done. Might put it on youtube with my bull ride.

I mayby dumb notstuppid I allways keep two spears in my camp. just sayin.

I think the original question was meant to be: Has anyone got a bear spare or a spare bear? I'm thirsty and a cold one would go down well.

...one good spear-job deserves another, eh?

I don't think you can get Larry or any of "the brothers" THAT drunk...

Remeber kids. Only a forest fire can prevent bears.

Hell. People kill bears every year with a Speer. It's all in the spelling!!!



R.

They might could audition for supporting roles. It seems the casting is pretty complete and production seems to be on schedule. Even under budget.

This, ought to be good...

The witching hour approaches.

As they say in the TV biz....

Stay tuned.

I have chased off many a black bear in NM, they are typically passive.
I went to Africa 6 years ago and traded with a Masai leader for a lion killing spear. I will loan it to the OP along with the olarem and rungu we made together that I returned with as well just to watch it go down. Fortunately the spear is made in 3 pieces, two metal on the end joined by a wooden center that can be replaced in the case of idiots trying to fight bears.

Rungu, is that anything like roo-roo??

Chased a black bear in the dark with a frying pan when I was backpacking in the upper peninsula in Michigan. Chased it a ways out of the camp thinking my buddies were right behind me, only to turn around and see them all standing by the fire looking in the direction I ran. I'm pretty damn sure that I ran faster back to the fire than I did after that bear. I don't think a spear would have been any less effective than the frying pan but it was easier to run through the woods, in the dark, screaming, with the pan.

ironbender;

How goes production? Full length feature, or just a trailer?

"so easy a caveman can do it"

Production is on schedule. Waiting for main characters to be cast.

Is the main character you or the bear,or will that be determined by the outcome?

Pard hopes to spear one and I hope to be running video of the event. It's still early in the black bear undenning schedule. Peak is typically May 10, give or take. It could happen anytime between yesterday and the end of June.

Please be patient.

Good Lord.

This has something written all over it but it's not clear what yet!

The word is "adventure"...adventure.

Should spear meet bear, "something" will happen. Of this, I am certain. It might be adventure. It might be many other things.

Very cool project, I approve.

Now, that's a load off my mind.

[video:myspace]http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...;FROM=LKVR5&GT1=LKVR5&FORM=LKVR2[/video]

This is what I found so far.....

Hope this one below isn't you....

I would want a spear which would knock the bear over backwards away from me and cripple both shoulders. Bar that I want want one which sprays their brains out of their heads about 10 feet.

I think at least a 375 caliber speer, maybe larger.

It might be a 2000 caliber spear.

Well, get on it, man....

All things in their time.

Patience, grasshopper.

It the smell of fecal material in my pants could diffuse a charge, then yes, but the spear would have little to do with things.

Question, did your pard happen to purchase a cold steel version and break it on the first throw,and then opted to HomeDepot his own version with a grinder per chance?.........grin

Gotta admit, I've been interested in spearing one for a long time, problem is finding someone with enough cojones to stand over your shoulder and video it.

It ain't a HomeyD spear. Will try to talk said pard into posting pics for him.

Sure,


After he ate me he would get tired and fall asleep