Anyone here thought about it? Born raised here of course. Never even been to another country and never even considered visiting as there is so much to see here. But...wife and I joked about moving the other day. Yep grass isn't greener on the other side. I get it. Plus with kids family here not feasible. Anyone else considered this and if so where?

Where indeed! 50 years ago there may have been options, but the internet has screwed the world up big time.

Language and cultural differences make the choice even more difficult.

I’ve wanted to run away for many years.
Not really running from anything, but to something. I just don’t know what or where.

You should all keep away from Australia...it is a terrible place to retire, shockingly miserable, particularly uninviting, woeful weather, full of flies, and it smells funny.

Did I mention the weather?

Wyoming

I picture Australia to being similar to that movie “Damnation Alley”.

Anywhere you go your gonna be a rich gringo or as our Southern friends would say a damned Carpetbagger SUM BEECH! You do you boo, I'll take my chances right here. I mean look at the options Europe is a Muslim infested shiet hole, South Africa is a war zone, Canada is run by gun-grabbing socialists, and Latin America is ruled by Narco warlords. So that leaves the Poles, not really my idea of a retirement getaway.

if you travel around the world you will see why people from all over come here to live and not visa versa. nice places to visit (some) but wouldn't want to live anywhere else. BTDT.

Nope, we're full up of immigrants from demotard states bringing their liberal ideas with them.

I was working around Broken Hill when they made that flick, got to see a bit of it, and drove past the truck on it's side at Silverton.

Best car-chase film ever made. The "Interceptor" is still the coolest movie car of all time, bar none.

That's how the vote changes. Seems you will need conservative votes to counter that.

Were one to decide to run away from America I suggest Haiti. You'll understand quickly why this land is worth fighting for. And why Trump labeled such lands chittholes.

Whilst at work last year I got to see a few of the vehicles on their way to Broken Hill for the anniversary party of the flick...I was more interested in the old square 4x4 Ford truck with the tipper and duelies powered by a V8 diesel...yakking with the fellow that owned it was interesting, but the "Interceptor" didn't really get my attention.

The Ford was considerably larger than a F100, both cabin and wheel base, and not something I had seen before.

Amazing that some of those movie cars still survive. They beat the schitt out of them in the movie.

Thank God for enthusiasts.

Northern Canada. You would get away from most politics and as the song my buddy wrote. 40 Below keeps the riff raff out. Ed k

Most countries allow dual citizenship. The USA doesn't. Canadians who become US citizens automatically retain Cnanadian citizenship too.

If you're Jewish, you can become a citizen of Israel as well as the USA.

If you can prove Italian ancestry, you can get an Italian passport.

Some countries allow you to buy citizenship, usually for $250,000 or so. But these seem to be tiny islands that no one ever heard of.

I'm surprised that some "real" country, like Canada, doesn't pass a law letting Americans have citizenship provided they pass certain criteria and invest a reasonable amount of money in Canadian businesses. The 1960s, when Pakistanis bought "tours" to Canada with one-way flights and US draft dodgers declared themselves landed immigrants, are long gone.

Whatever you do, do not renounce US citizenship. The US has a law that lets them confiscate most of your assets if you do.

I have a friend who bought a place in an 8000 person enclave of Americans and Canadians 35 miles from Guadalajara, the second largest city in Mexico. I would not move to Mexico no matter what.

Ya'll lookin' for a landing spot after the election?

I'll stay here, thanks. But don't let the door hit ya in the ass on your way out.

If not for family and friends, I would be in New Zealand.

You want to live forever? Die fighting is a much more worthy death. USA is the greatest country on earth. But sometimes you have to fight to keep it that way.

How many people here have honestly "lived" outside the US - and I don't mean an extended vacation or a short-term work assignment?

You have 3 choices:

1) Another 1st world country - really, truly first world. And only a few. UK, France, Germany, Japan, Belgium, parts of Spain, Canada, and a few others.

The electricity runs 24/7, you have shops and restaurants open at night and with a good choice, you have safe areas - you have "things" that you take for granted.

But these countries taxation, socially liberal, and socialistic tendencies are worse than what you think you would be running from. And aside from Japan, you have the Muslim to contend with...

2) 2nd world country - South Africa, some Caribbean locations, perhaps Thailand, etc. The electricity goes off - often. In many places you have to drink bottled water. The stores sometimes have and sometimes don't have things you need/want. Simple things - bleach, detergents, washing machines ... don't exactly get you the results you are used to.

3) 3rd world - Caribbean nations, Latin America countries, etc. Argue all you want, but they are 3rd world scheit holes when you get off the Club Med compound. Electricity is a crap shoot. Have heart burn at 11pm? Have fun .... Get a pain in your right side .... pray it isn't appendicitis.

Of course, you can go to an "ex-pat" retiree compound and live the life of luxury. But it isn't.

Not after you settle in. Your "new" house has a problem with electricity burning out bulbs ... live with it. The "public" water pressure goes down during the heavy season ..... get used to bailing pool water with a bucket to replenish your toilet bowl so you can flush your turd down ....

Those nice people in the local town who you think are your friends?? Wait until one day a local throws themselves in front of your car outside a shop, and you slam on your brakes and barely bump them. Then the local police come ..... they don't have courts, police, lawyers, and the system you are used to .... you will reach into your pocket and pull out some green to pay them off, and you will have that on you because you will have witnessed another ex-pat get hauled off to the local jail and kept their 2 days until his wife brought the cash in!


People have no phfuking comprehension what it's like living outside the US, and the value of the freedoms, protections, rights, and services we have.

You go to another country to live, in essence you are there as an invited, tolerated guests that last as long as they wish, and to what extent their tolerance goes ... depending on who you may piss off, who is related to whom, and how much you are willing to bow your head in submission ....

Lawnman: No!
But in the last year I have had two good friends pack-up, sell their homes, sell all their guns, take their wives and move to Belize and Thailand respectively!
I was dumbfounded when I heard of their plans and I am dumbfounded to this day.
I simply can not imagine doing such a thing.
Puzzling to me is/was their motivations - both were worried about "life" in the U.S.A. being diminished/destroyed.
To each their own - I guess.?
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I think some people move to these places with dreams of living like kings with the money they have. I won’t even visit much less move to one. To each their own. Ed k

Wyoming is on my retirement radar. For a summer home at any rate. I won't be bringing any left leaning lunacy with me.

Compared to most of Wyoming, you're a flaming lib......


Moving to another country? Did that, twice. Once to Texas, once to the US. I prefer the US.

Yeah, I've thought about moving to another country. I've seen a few, not a lot. But as screwed up as the U.S. is now, it's the best option that I'm aware of because the others are even worse. .

Having lived in Canada, the UAE, Qatar, Kazakhstan, Australia and Korea, no.

😂

At this point there's still places in America where people won't be subjected to the war on whites. It's going to be interesting to watch America's "great separation".

Anyone considered East KY?

Another state but not another country.

you can have those other countries too many liberal ways for me. believe it or not there are places in America where very few people live that are like living in another country,i know i live there. and NO we don`t need any city-ITS either move`n in, they seem to want to change our ways and rules/laws.

My dumbass libtard sister moved to the paradise of Belize and although she won’t admit it, the charm of the tropical schithole has worn thin. She’s considering moving to another third world schithole ; south Florida....
Happy Trails, Sis! LOL!

We are Canadians. We are a nation of adventurers , we travel. Travelling you are much more likely to meet a fellow Canadian than an American, and there are only 1/10 as many of us. Sometimes we travel just to escape winter, chuckle. Besides our large country, my wife and I have almost completed the lap of Australia, most of Namibia and of course all the western states. In my youth I backpacked through the Greek islands .

As for climate most people over the years have migrated to the Mediterranean climate zones, like California, Western Australia and Italy. You don't get cold or wet winters ,nor do you get oppressive heat and humidity in the summer. Still it gets hot. I think Oregon is about right. Since I don't live in Oregon, I can say that . BTW they don't want you.

As for people without a doubt the friendliest are the people of the Maritime provinces of Canada. And they can party. And poke fun at every thing.

According to the Cato Institute's Freedom index New Zealand ranks #1 in personal freedoms. The US ranks 15th and dropping fast.

I lived in Sweden for three years followed by UAE for four years. I had the support of a US based company. It was an incredible life experience but definitely came with many hardships.

"Assimilation" into these particular countries was not necessarily difficult but you will always be held at an arms distance. My wife and I had a child in each country. That was a unique experience.
We were able to travel extensively. We found that to be very rewarding and offset the negative feelings/experiences of isolation or hardships. Taking small children on a 18+ hour flight back to the US to see family in friends is not for the faint of heart... Taking pets is not hard but definitely adds a layer of expense and complexity to the experience. Hunting overseas is an option but you probably will not be allowed to own a firearm in whatever country you move to without meeting certain residency or citizenship requirements

Eventually we plan on going again for more multi-year work assignments. If we find the right location we have talked about retiring overseas.

Draw a 50 mile radius from any KFC, Church’s, Zaxby’s, Popeyes, etc. and be on a couple of miles of dirt road. You should be good to go.

I travel the world for a living, in any given month I’ll usually pass through at least ten different countries.

In all my years of doing this I’ve never been to one country where I’ve looked around and said “I’d rather live here than where I live”.

😂



Happy Trails


Bob

The US does allow dual citizenship. I know a number of people with dual citizenship in the US and some other country, usually Canada.

Years ago the US stripped anyone of US citizenship who became a citizen in another country, but that changed. Someone took citizenship elsewhere and then sued the US State department for revoking his citizenship against his will. Courts upheld his US citizenship. The US State department didn't like it and kept it low profile. I read the resulting document which strongly discouraged a US citizen from becoming a citizen in any other country and warned that doing so risked losing US citizenship. I asked the US counsel in another country about the risk of losing US citizenship, and got this reply, verbally, “I have to warn you that you may lose your US citizenship. Off the record, not a chance.”

If you consider taking citizenship elsewhere, learn all you can about tax laws and unintended consequences. Most countries tax residents, but the US taxes citizenship, no matter where in the world the citizen lives. Most taxes are paid in one country or the other but there are a few things that are double taxed, with both nations claiming certain capital gains, or one country taxing something that is tax free in the other, etc. The problem is that until they hit you with some blind tax, or a new reporting rule, you don't know what you don’t know. Consulting a lawyer and a tax accountant who specialize in dual filings and cross border laws is worth the money.

There are usually some downsides to dual citizenship, as well as some advantages, and each person has to decide if his situation makes the negatives worthwhile.

I’ve been to 8 or 9 other countries and most of the states and I don’t want to move out of my state.

I dont wonder about other country,s.
People glowingly talk of this, that, or the other about em.
How marvelous and charming they are, their unique culture and people....
PFFFFFT......

Been all over the planet myself in jolly green giant clothes and roles and civilian clothes and roles.


As fugged up as our nation seems.
None of em on the rest of planet even comes close to us at all.
Only place I can say that seemed to me a decent place was Canada.
But most of their rights are gone or going.
Hey Canada...
Thats what happens when you elect a phagggggg.
The Trudeau,s are your Kennedy,s
LOL!!

Europe to include Britain.
PFFFFT.
Asia
PFFFT..
Middle east
Huge PFFFFFT.
Central America
Our own 3rd world neighbors
PFFFT...
Africa/ Morroco
PFFFFT...

others I aint been too, like say Australia off the top of my head.
who have lost alot of their firearm ownership rights.

My wide swath blanket statements apply to all them also....

And the stooooopid 23 and me schitt people hold so dear...

Your fugging american.......


You aint picking rotten potatoes outta the ground in Ireland circa 1857...
Or fugging living in a schithole villiage in europe anymore with a dirt floor circa 1522.......

And you had nothing to do with what sir D of bag did in 1707 at the seige of Gilbralter, that your paid for lineage back ground chart supposedly said whom you were related too.




LMFAO!!!!

If I ever went back to living in America, Northern idaho would be about the only place.

shhhhhh

If America wasn't destined to become a combination of El Norte and Sub Saharan Africa, not many people would ever think about leaving here. But life is going to hard for American Caucasians when they are no longer the majority,..and it's coming fast.

Teach your children well,..

Outside the US? Nope. There are still some areas that don’t have many SJW types. They like to be close to cities. I’m staying put until I see a certain percentage of uptick in some populations. Before it reaches that point I’ll sell out if I’m still alive and find a cozy semi remote spot with some acreage, live a low key lifestyle as always.

A friend of mine spent a year in India. When he came back he was incredibly patriotic.

East KY is nice but comes with its own problems, mainly social and economic. If you go there, take money with you because the economy is more depressed than East TN, from what I can tell. Jobs are few and far between.

Most of the hillbilly stuff on TV and in popular culture is horseshit, the people in East KY are mostly just like anyone else in a rural area. Suspicious of outsiders but friendly enough once you get to know them, as long as you don't act like a douchebag. There is a bad drug problem though, and the social trappings of a welfare-dependant economy are pretty widespread.

And not a word about, say, Yellow Pine, Calder, Avery, etc. (if I remember names correctly)....

Flippin FS has the homestead cabin at Bg Creek, FCWA, damn them. Them Sheepeater Injuns knew their country!

NWT or Kamchatka. New Zealand has a great number of rules about what you can bring in and could cut into gun ownership rights quickly. I think if you lived away from Christchurch it would be ok. I don't think that give a great deal of concern about the government in NWT or like Magadon. Greenland maybe a winner if they de-couple from Denmark. Lots of California headed to Idaho and with Kanye West moving part time to Wyoming, even its future is less than bright. I think I will just stay in Alaska. I will move to SE Alaska if I ever get tired of the cold.

Wyoming and Idaho are on my short list. Even the old lady is getting sick of this place I think...

costa rica

The US of A is our home and just needs a little attitude adjustment to be back to normal.

No desire to leave.

If I were looking, I'd look hard at Argentina. Beautiful country, 4 seasons, they like beef.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
In spades. Extremely well stated

Yep

Ive spent almost 7 years living and working overseas. Its hilarious when Americans romanticize how much better life would be outside the US.

What's missing in this thread is not to move, but to take back our own country. Doesn't seem to be much of an appetite for that anymore.

Like our President said: These areas of unrest could be quelled in about an hour. Exactly how has this socialistic mindset come into being?

There's a very simple answer. Globalist funding, planning, and the infiltration/ownership of the Democratic Party.

President Trump is going after the Globalist and it's a job so intense, that none of us can fully understand the scope of this undertaking.

Like Schumer said: "We have seven ways to Sunday to get you."

Until we attack those who are attacking us, we're doomed.

Our dilemma is, where and how to start. We have the greatest administrative leader in the White House that we could possibly have, and I do believe this was ordained. I don't believe any of us fully understand the scope of the worldwide oppression President Trump is fielding.

What we're lacking, is a leader within the "ground game".

not in any particular order:
the old prussia
croatia
hungary
slovakia.
no blacks
no hispanic
white people
don't like socialism/communism

Absolutely correct. I have lived in 11 countries (from multiple months to multiple years) and visited about 70. Over 20 years overseas total. Almost been killed in about 4 of them: 2 from being shot at (as a civilian), and 2 from disease/infections. Not to mention near misses in car accidents, etc.

We have it so good in the USA. The stories you hear about Americans kissing the ground once they land back here are true: I'm living proof.

Exceptionalism? Absolutely! The USA is UNIQUE in the world - the package deal here is light years ahead of whatever is in second place.

That said, if North America was about to vanish in a puff of smoke, and I had forewarning, I would pick Chile or Australia as a next stop.

[quote=travelingman1]If not for family and friends, I would be in New Zealand. [/quote

Check their firearms laws first, they have gone like Australia in the last year or so.

That weren't foreign countries. They were Atlanta.

I've thought about moving to New Mexico....



but not for very long!

Atlanta is part of the USA. You are free to consider it otherwise, but you'd be wrong.

Sherman burned the USA part. Now it's just the CNN studio surrounded by a moat and a parade of boos.

Who's liberal? I would assume that if I have the money to buy land I can move to Wyoming?

I am seriously considering retiring abroad when the time comes in about10 years. My dad and his wife moved to Ecuador in late 2011. They live it there. We have visited twice and it is on the list for me. We went to Colombia in February to see it and do some birding. That and Panama or Costa Rica are also possibilities but I am also interested in Croatia and especially Slovenia. I am a winemaker and would ideally like to live in an area that produces high quality wines. I am hearing lots of good things about the wine industry in Croatia and Slovenia.

For me it is partly adventure, partly lower cost of living which would enable for more travel and adventure, partly hoping to find a nicer year round climate and partly I am getting more and more disgusted with the USA.

This ^^^^^^^^^

And this ^^^^^^^^^

I have not traveled as extensively as others. However, have spent enough time, in enough different countries. While I am generally happy to head out, I am ALWAYS happy to head home...

Not moving permanently, as I lived in Germany for 3 years and enjoy American freedoms, but owning a small place in Italy to spend have the time in is something we've considered in retirement.

I spent some time in Louisiana but then I returned to the USA.

As someone who did, I wouldn’t recommend it. Beautiful state. Very Schitty liberal politics. Very soft on crime.

Dual citizenship should not be recognized IMHO.

Either you are or you ain't. Divided loyalties and all that........

What about Iceland? I hear it is low crime and welcoming. Just about all white folks.Most people there speak English according to the internet. Anybody been there?

I've never considered it, myself. I've been to 6 continents though and long ago came to the conclusion that rural folk largely are conservative nationalists and city folk largely are liberal globalists.

Rural Spain, rural Argentina and the South Island of New Zealand largely contain folks as conservative as those here on this forum...I could live in those places no doubt. They answer to their liberal politicians from the bigger cities, much like we do but more so (in a general sense). I plan to keep my ass right here in Western America despite how much I like other places. It's the best as far as I am concerned.

Given New Zealand a thought or two.

The worst day in the US, is better than the best day in most other countries in the world.

Old Prussia is not a place anymore.
Croatia has some ethnic problems of its own.

Supposed to be very expensive and the language is supposed to be extremely difficult to learn. If you don't learn the language you will never really fit in.

Watch the youtuber called bald and bankrupt for some great insight into Belarus.

Nope. I feel this country is still worth fighting for. Most other countries have the same problem as ours but don't have our constitution to give them hope. That is why it is so important to defend it at all cost.

This-∆∆∆∆∆∆∆∆

The constitution is unique.

I hold the high ground, and intend to defend it. It will not go cheap.

I don't get it. Didn't any of you ever learn that to keep something worthwhile, sometimes you have to stand your ground and fight for it?

What does running away do for you, except a grandiose display of a coward?

Run, run, leave a trail through the buckwheat so the rest of the cowards can follow.

Or, stand and work your ass off getting this mess mopped up.

F U C K, I can't believe some of you guys.

Wonderful response. This is the only country that was built on a set of ideals with a foundation of decency. No other country can claim that. This is the first civil war in history where the aggressors are unarmed. That makes them infinitely more dangerous..

The US,of A is the greatest nation the world has ever seen, we the people just need to get off our rears, and defend it from all foes, internal, and from without.

well you can say that, and it is true, but the folks running the country, and the political process that put them there, up until a few decades ago, have been decent...now, things aren't looking as good. The point is bad people can ruin a good country with a good founding document

We can't kill 40 to 50 million people. Not an option. Best to admit it if you're whipped. Do you see a solution? Only possible solution I see is dividing into 4 or 5 countries and huge translocation of ethnic groups. That won't happen without serious bloodshed.

I ain’t going anywhere. We do plan to move up to our place in Southeast for a good part of the year. It would be considered more remote than anywhere down here while still maintaining the comforts not usually afforded to the remoteness. If I’m going to die fighting then that’s where my last stand will be, up north in the most beautiful place I’ve ever seen......

If things get too crazy down here then we’ll head north prematurely. I’ve been escaping the influx of people and ideologies all my life. Moving further and further from the city, the population growth and the gravitational pull that dense collections of people seem to create in an attempt to remain as rural as possible. The politics of this state have degraded into typical liberal horseshit politics but we like our local community, we like our neighbors because we’re all spread out, we like having virtually no crime, we’re 99% white, etc....Living on an island has a different feel and, in my experience, attracts an eclectic mix of unlikely conservatives. In fact we still have a little Mayberry in us out here because right now my wife and our 14 year old daughter, about a dozen incoming freshmen girls and a couple of teachers (who are friends of ours and a parent to one of the aforementioned freshmen girls) are at the drive in movie theater watching a double feature tonight. My wife took the Suburban, some camping chairs and a full load of girls....it’s a flat $10 per car load so no need to stuff kids in the trunk anymore. 😁. The Drive-in will make its money off the concessions that those girls get, which I imagine will be significant. Living on an island also insulates us to a degree, even though there’s a small land bridge that connects us to the mainland we’re still 60 miles north of Seattle. Most BLM douchebags couldn’t pool enough money for gas to get here, they won’t need gas money to get home.....we’ll take care of them.

I love this country, many of my forefathers bled and died to create it and to preserve it so I think I’ll stay. My wife and I enjoy traveling and have passed that wanderlust on to our children. We’ll continue to travel all over the world when the time and whimsy is right but there’s a lot that I want to see and share with our children right here in the good old USA.

We should invade B.C and Alberta and set up our own thing. Kinda like CHOP only different. I get to be in charge of the nukes and Fish and Game.

Watched and enjoyed his presentation. Subscribed. Thanks.

Kinda what I’ve been thinking. Pretty close to first world, still have some buffer from Russia, want to be closer to Western Europe and the US, very favorable tax rates in most of those, not super cheap living, but reasonable. And all the demographic you mentioned. Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, etc.
If I wanted to hide money I’d probably go launder it through the Middle East and then live in Liechtenstein or similar micro states with favorable banking secrecy and a security arrangement that precludes military incursions.

Thought about Norway for about 3 seconds then I finished my beer.
I ain't leaving Texas...