So in my haste to actually drive today, i pulled out of the garage and ran over an old bottle of rv toilet chemical which was the old formaldehyde formula, can hardly go in now, fumes are overpowering, any stuff to dilute it, or do i just run the hose in the garage and try to flush it out, seems to be absorbed into the concrete floor now.
Atmospheric gassing off
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Airing it out is all I can tell you.
So in my haste to actually drive today, i pulled out of the garage and ran over an old bottle of rv toilet chemical which was the old formaldehyde formula, can hardly go in now, fumes are overpowering, any stuff to dilute it, or do i just run the hose in the garage and try to flush it out, seems to be absorbed into the concrete floor now.
Trap yourself a skunk.
A commercial ozone machine is the only thing I can suggest.
Didn’t Jeffery Dahmer make those Laotian kids drink that stuff after he drilled holes in their skulls?
Partsman, why are errrr where you keeping that around?
I've heard that odor is an aphrodisiac for a funeral director
Didn’t Jeffery Dahmer make those Laotian kids drink that stuff after he drilled holes in their skulls?
Partsman, why are errrr where you keeping that around?
used to use it in all my rv stuff good for waste, but this one I think came from when we cleaned out in laws house when they passed and I forgot it was around, and it must have rolled under the jeep and didn't not know till I drove out and heard a pop, so soaked up what I could,
It is powerful stuff
I would call around to the chemistry departments of major universities and ask if there's anything like an extension office. Also might want to contact companies that used to manufacture it. They should know.
Be careful about sharing personal info since it might, by law, require a hazmat team and epa regs.
Let me know what you find out.
I've smelled some somewhere for decades just as strong. I wouldn't hose anything off. Depending if aquafer or runoff, water supplies sometimes run far off. State and fed epa would test ground water, big fines and clean up costs...perhaps neighbor suit. Just my .02cents as a good neighbor is this opinion.
Just rubber gloves, thick dishwashing ones, old cotton rags, rags, put in a sealable snap lid bucket asap.
Whatever you do, I would keep all pets and kids away and more than careful about skin. I'd dispose of the clothes and gloves afterwards. Oh, btw, you might want to through an absorbent on it afterwards.....clay cat litter, baking soda. Fire place ashes. Careful because creasote is carcinogenic and caustic, no doubt could blind someone who accidentally touches their face. This all might be illegal, dangerous and not know it, so at your own risk of course.
Maybe.....you should give "back on the road" deal a few more days-weeks eh?
Didn’t Jeffery Dahmer make those Laotian kids drink that stuff after he drilled holes in their skulls?
Partsman, why are errrr where you keeping that around?
Without that formaldehyde, Dahmer could not have made the moo goo guy in the pan and penis butter and jelly sandwiches.
mixing formaldehyde and ammonia will give a relative non-toxic mixture of methenamine , if the formaldehyde has not been oxidized to formic acid which is probably what you are smelling, especially if it has been sitting on hot concrete.. also there will be other oxidation products.
depending on the ratio of what is left the formic acid would also neutralized by the ammonia.
you may want to check with a local HazMat team.
Dilution is the solution to pollution. Lots of water.
mixing formaldehyde and ammonia will give a relative non-toxic mixture of methenamine , if the formaldehyde has not been oxidized to formic acid which is probably what you are smelling, especially if it has been sitting on hot concrete.. also there will be other oxidation products.
depending on the ratio of what is left the formic acid would also neutralized by the ammonia.
you may want to check with a local HazMat team.
He is Canadian.
Pour a pint of maple syrup on it and call it a day, eh.
if your curious about that kind of stuff.
phenyl propanone (a type of formaldehyde called a ketone) and dimethylamine (a type of ammonia) are condensed to make amphetamines
the same dimethylamine can be condensed with organic acids, one in particular lysergic acid to form LSD
this neutralization route is geared more towards use in tissue samples, so the formalin doesn't interfere with additional analysis.
Would a commercial ozone generator neutralize the formaldehyde? What would be its effect on the "ant acid"?
So basically, piss on it?
At least he warned us.
Thanks for the info and humour, I will be away all day tomorrow heading up to see a house in Kelowna, see how it is when I get back, wiped up as much as I could.
Would a commercial ozone generator neutralize the formaldehyde? What would be its effect on the "ant acid"?
ozone is a strong oxidizing agent. remaining aldehydes and ketones would be oxidized to their corresponding organic acids
in the case for formaldehyde, it would oxidize to more ant acid (formic)
and depending on the containment of the ozone, it could oxidize anything it comes in contact with, some of which, may not wanted to be oxidized
Formaldehyde? I used to know a retired guy who went to work part time for a funeral director. He'd worked all his life for Wonder Bread. He told me that the 1st time he assisted with an embalming, he recognized the fluid as the same stuff they used as a preservative in bread. Embalming fluid is largely formaldehyde with a few other ingredients. I guess that if you eat enough Wonder Bread, you'll keep forever.
Formaldehyde? I used to know a retired guy who went to work part time for a funeral director. He'd worked all his life for Wonder Bread. He told me that the 1st time he assisted with an embalming, he recognized the fluid as the same stuff they used as a preservative in bread. Embalming fluid is largely formaldehyde with a few other ingredients. I guess that if you eat enough Wonder Bread, you'll keep forever.
Must have been a really long time ago, or maybe just in a way different part of the country. I worked for Wonder Bread (Continental Baking) in the mid 80's and there was no formaldehyde anywhere around the plant.
Might be he smelled something else in the embalming compounds that smelled similar to what was used in baking?
In Vietnam, Bier 33 (bomeebom) local beer was said to contain formaldehyde. Dont know if that was true or not, stuff tasted like hell anyway.
Formalin is used in liquid smoke as a preservative...
We use formalin to treat our fish for trichodynia. Its some nasty stuff!
formaldehyde use in the funeral business has decreased drastically as it causes nasopharyngeal cancer
lots of substitutes.
DMSO with other additives.
various sulphites
acetic acid with additives
big list
the bakery incidence was probably due to the use in both instances of various methyparaben types.
I love wonder bread
It was the only high class component of my daily mayonnaise sandwich dinner mama fed me.
Our fetal dissection pigs in 1983 were preserved in Wardol I’m petty that’s what was on the little foil hot dog wrapper they were in.
I wonder if that was an offshoot of formaldehyde.
We use formalin to treat our fish for trichodynia. Its some nasty stuff!
Have used a lot of it in the fish industry. Egg treatment, parasites. Nasty crap if you ask me.
One place I had to show the bosses I could get the same and better results with salt on our fry and cut back on using the stuff in the hatchery building. Resistant to change they were, at the expense of my health and anyone else around when I was treating. I like salt!
Geno, you’re supposed to say “I’ve worked at Wonder for over 52 years”
formaldehyde use in the funeral business has decreased drastically as it causes nasopharyngeal cancer
lots of substitutes.
DMSO with other additives.
various sulphites
acetic acid with additives
big list
the bakery incidence was probably due to the use in both instances of various methyparaben types.
In the 90's its use in biology was being drastically reduced too.
I always wonder what might have caused some renal cell carcinoma I had removed. Biology? Cleaning car parts in gasoline and diesel? Exposure to lots of other hydrocarbons? Pesticides in the "olden days"?
forgot, 20+ years of smoking and drinking............along with all that other stuff..................might have had some effect?
formaldehyde use in the funeral business has decreased drastically as it causes nasopharyngeal cancer
lots of substitutes.
DMSO with other additives.
various sulphites
acetic acid with additives
big list
the bakery incidence was probably due to the use in both instances of various methyparaben types.
In the 90's it's use in biology was being drastically reduced too.
I always wonder what might have caused some renal cell carcinoma I had removed. Biology? Cleaning car parts in gasoline and diesel? Exposure to lots of other hydrocarbons? Pesticides in the "olden days"?
forgot, 20+ years of smoking and drinking............along with all that other stuff..................might have had some effect?
no doubt was synergistic.
But think of it in a different way for a moment.
your are 3 different people, the physical, the psychological , and the immunological
that last one does what it wants, and the other have to get in line with what it does
once it goes hyperactive , lots of outcomes.
cancers are all hyper immune states.
Geno, you’re supposed to say “I’ve worked at Wonder for over 52 years”
No, for me it's a Wonder I worked for 52 years (counting paper routes/lawn mowing/weed pulling/bottle collecting etc)
yeah, that immunological system stuff screws with my guts at times. Relatives have skin issues.
It's fun being a living breathing human organism somedays!
Formaldehyde? I used to know a retired guy who went to work part time for a funeral director. He'd worked all his life for Wonder Bread. He told me that the 1st time he assisted with an embalming, he recognized the fluid as the same stuff they used as a preservative in bread. Embalming fluid is largely formaldehyde with a few other ingredients. I guess that if you eat enough Wonder Bread, you'll keep forever.
Must have been a really long time ago, or maybe just in a way different part of the country. I worked for Wonder Bread (Continental Baking) in the mid 80's and there was no formaldehyde anywhere around the plant.
Might be he smelled something else in the embalming compounds that smelled similar to what was used in baking?
I said I USED to know...like 30 or 40 years ago used to. There have been a lot of changes in the world since then.
We use formalin to treat our fish for trichodynia. Its some nasty stuff!
Have used a lot of it in the fish industry. Egg treatment, parasites. Nasty crap if you ask me.
One place I had to show the bosses I could get the same and better results with salt on our fry and cut back on using the stuff in the hatchery building. Resistant to change they were, at the expense of my health and anyone else around when I was treating. I like salt!
Saltwater is definitely a better option! Wish we could use it here but we are quite a ways up the creek from good saltwater. A few of the hatcheries I've worked at have pumps though and they utilize it. Hatch is so much easier with some saltwater in the mix.
Have worked at a couple of resin plants that produced their formaldehyde base from methanol. Crazy chit. One process roughly equates to heating it up and flashing it over a bed of hot silver. Magic.
And I thought you had gotten desperate and were eating the dead...
mixing formaldehyde and ammonia will give a relative non-toxic mixture of methenamine , if the formaldehyde has not been oxidized to formic acid which is probably what you are smelling, especially if it has been sitting on hot concrete.. also there will be other oxidation products.
depending on the ratio of what is left the formic acid would also neutralized by the ammonia.
you may want to check with a local HazMat team.
Hazmat teams are typically taught to flush with large quantities of water...
Unless a truck of pure sodium [s] tipped over it is usually a safe bet...
Probably not in your best interest to call someone who will file a report for: "a release of an unknown quantity of a substance the Socialist State of California has classified as a carcinogen"...
The broken container might also provide some suggestions...
Calcium chloride. You might have some in the form of de-icer. That’s what the hazmat crews would use.
Insnt methlamine something they use to make crystal meth?
Formaldehyde? I used to know a retired guy who went to work part time for a funeral director. He'd worked all his life for Wonder Bread. He told me that the 1st time he assisted with an embalming, he recognized the fluid as the same stuff they used as a preservative in bread. Embalming fluid is largely formaldehyde with a few other ingredients. I guess that if you eat enough Wonder Bread, you'll keep forever.
Must have been a really long time ago, or maybe just in a way different part of the country. I worked for Wonder Bread (Continental Baking) in the mid 80's and there was no formaldehyde anywhere around the plant.
Might be he smelled something else in the embalming compounds that smelled similar to what was used in baking?
I said I USED to know...like 30 or 40 years ago used to. There have been a lot of changes in the world since then.
Yep, there most certainly has been a few changes.
We use formalin to treat our fish for trichodynia. Its some nasty stuff!
Have used a lot of it in the fish industry. Egg treatment, parasites. Nasty crap if you ask me.
One place I had to show the bosses I could get the same and better results with salt on our fry and cut back on using the stuff in the hatchery building. Resistant to change they were, at the expense of my health and anyone else around when I was treating. I like salt!
Saltwater is definitely a better option! Wish we could use it here but we are quite a ways up the creek from good saltwater. A few of the hatcheries I've worked at have pumps though and they utilize it. Hatch is so much easier with some saltwater in the mix.
I bet. I just used salt on the fry once hatched in the hatchery troughs. Turn down the water, put in the short standpipe, empty a 50lb bag of salt in with most of it at the head, wait for them to start losing balance, turn the water on, put in the tall standpipe again.
No dragging a jug of formalin from the 55 gal drum through the building, filling chicken waterers, breathing fumes etc. You probably know the routine.
Potassium Permanganate impregnated zeolite works for air. Not sure how it works in a contact situation.
We use formalin to treat our fish for trichodynia. Its some nasty stuff!
Have used a lot of it in the fish industry. Egg treatment, parasites. Nasty crap if you ask me.
One place I had to show the bosses I could get the same and better results with salt on our fry and cut back on using the stuff in the hatchery building. Resistant to change they were, at the expense of my health and anyone else around when I was treating. I like salt!
Saltwater is definitely a better option! Wish we could use it here but we are quite a ways up the creek from good saltwater. A few of the hatcheries I've worked at have pumps though and they utilize it. Hatch is so much easier with some saltwater in the mix.
I bet. I just used salt on the fry once hatched in the hatchery troughs. Turn down the water, put in the short standpipe, empty a 50lb bag of salt in with most of it at the head, wait for them to start losing balance, turn the water on, put in the tall standpipe again.
No dragging a jug of formalin from the 55 gal drum through the building, filling chicken waterers, breathing fumes etc. You probably know the routine.
We used to use chicken waterers on our heath tray stacks but we use a peristaltic pump on the head boxes that feed the nopads. Pretty slick deal but I don't miss the fumes. I had to treat the adults today but luckily that raceway is outside so its not too bad. I still wear a respirator though when I pump it out of the barrel. Some of the hatcheries in PWS still use hydrogen peroxide which is nasty crap too.
The issue with using saltwater straight out of the ocean is you have to run it through a UV system before it goes to any eggs or fish to kill anything in the water.
Box fan and a weed burner.
Put fan @ back of garage and heat the wet spot w the weed burner.
I'm very sensitive to form. and have found that lemon scented ammonia in a glass bowl left in a sealed area will help.
After that run an ionizer.
I've developed a sensitivity to Betadine too, along with Argentine and Ovadine.
I've developed a sensitivity to Betadine too, along with Argentine and Ovadine.
You let your Doctors know, right.
Not good if you need to get operated on and some imaging requires an "iodine contrast" injection. Likely they have something else.
Amazed me I never developed the sensitivity to all those things. Tried my best to avoid it as much as possible. Bosses always seemed to want to use the strongest option first, I tended the other way.
I hear you on the raw water. That was our problem at the one place, our eggs were hatched in jars using raw river water, the jars sat in the indoor raceways they were going into when hatched, and the problem with using the formalin was that there were other things going on in the bldg and other people working there. No nasty fumes from salt, but bosses being bosses, things didn't always go my way. Never could figure out all the money they used for other crap, why not put some UV units on the hatching/rearing water inside?
I've developed a sensitivity to Betadine too, along with Argentine and Ovadine.
You let your Doctors know, right.
Not good if you need to get operated on and some imaging requires an "iodine contrast" injection. Likely they have something else.
Amazed me I never developed the sensitivity to all those things. Tried my best to avoid it as much as possible. Bosses always seemed to want to use the strongest option first, I tended the other way.
I hear you on the raw water. That was our problem at the one place, our eggs were hatched in jars using raw river water, the jars sat in the indoor raceways they were going into when hatched, and the problem with using the formalin was that there were other things going on in the bldg and other people working there. No nasty fumes from salt, but bosses being bosses, things didn't always go my way. Never could figure out all the money they used for other crap, why not put some UV units on the hatching/rearing water inside?
If you saw how much we had to move our fish it would make your head explode.