Yes or No - Is Antifa a Terrorist Organization?

If no... we continue on...

If Yes as declared by the Government or President... what happens?

Your thoughts matter.

What does it matter? Only right wingers are ever going to have any actual legal action brought against them based upon any of these sorts of proclamations, legitimate or otherwise.

Originally Posted by efw

What does it matter? Only right wingers are ever going to have any actual legal action brought against them based upon any of these sorts of proclamations, legitimate or otherwise.

Try again...

What huge and logical reason does the President have for NOT declaring Antifa a Terrorist organization?

Are you "terrorized" by them?

Yes, they meet the standard legal definition of a terrorist organization.

I thought the big issue was "If" they are declared a TO,then it could be investigated to expose financial backers and funding sources.

By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"?

In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA.

So, here's your first problem:
Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.

Take of look at the official State Department list here:

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list.

Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"?

In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA.

So, here's your first problem:
Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.

Take of look at the official State Department list here:

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list.

Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity.

Of course, if you use the wrong classification, aka "foreign terrorist organization", you'll get the wrong information. If you use the right classification, aka "domestic terrorist organization", you might get the relevant information.

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"?

In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA.

So, here's your first problem:
Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.

Take of look at the official State Department list here:

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list.

Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity.

Excellent... very smart and thank you.

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Now... if 219 is amended or superceded and Antifa is actually declared a TO... what happens to each of us personally?

Clue #1... I was reading the fine print on my USAA policy the other day

Originally Posted by HuntnShoot

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"?

In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA.

So, here's your first problem:
Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.

Take of look at the official State Department list here:

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list.

Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity.

Of course, if you use the wrong classification, aka "foreign terrorist organization", you'll get the wrong information. If you use the right classification, aka "domestic terrorist organization", you might get the relevant information.

Great.

Please post the U.S. Code that authorized the President of the United States to designate a Domestic Terrorist Organization, and the specific Federal criminal offense of "Domestic Terrorism", if it's a misdemeanor for felony, and the range of sentences allowed.

Has Antifa (like the organization using the initials of the Bureau of Land Management) filed/registered for some sort of status where, like the previously mentioned organization, they have to report political donations?
If yes then follow the money upstream to relevant domestic or foreign donors/advisors...

If they have illegal invaders in their ranks they are a foreign terrorist organization.

Originally Posted by jimone

If they have illegal invaders in their ranks they are a foreign terorist organization.

Sodomy is technically illegal invasion...
So I guess that passes the sniff test.

Originally Posted by CashisKing

If no... we continue on...

If Yes as declared by the Government or President... what happens?

Your thoughts matter.

Yes.

Gitmo.

Open season.

They're really not an organization, but they do use violent means for political ends, which is pretty much the definition of terrorism.

Terrorists, yes. Terrorist organization? Not quite yet.

Depends how high up you go. Who is backing this? Who is stirring the pot? I submit to you... a terrorist organization.
Big picture.

Need you ask? Of course.

Insurance is NOT in effect for Acts of Terrorism, Act of War, Act of God.

Insurance (in general) DOES cover Civil Disobedience.

ANTIFA = Enemies Domestic. They are communist agitators.

Originally Posted by CashisKing

If no... we continue on...

If Yes as declared by the Government or President... what happens?

Your thoughts matter.

Of course not. It's not an ORGANIZATION.

Originally Posted by LeroyBeans

Originally Posted by CashisKing

If no... we continue on...

If Yes as declared by the Government or President... what happens?

Your thoughts matter.

Of course not. It's not an ORGANIZATION.

Your own self is who makes you a liar, and your mouth proves you also dumb.

Sorry, you only watch CNN so you can hear only what you want, instead of the news.

You want to hear from Antifas national organizer? I didnt think so.

Not only is ANTIFA a terrorist organization, but so is BLM!

Originally Posted by bigwhoop

Not only is ANTIFA a terrorist organization, but so is BLM!

This^^^

Originally Posted by rong

I thought the big issue was "If" they are declared a TO,then it could be investigated to expose financial backers and funding sources.

If it is designated as a terrorist organization then it is illegal to be a member of it and you can be prosecuted as a terrorist for the crimes it is proven to have committed.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by rong

I thought the big issue was "If" they are declared a TO,then it could be investigated to expose financial backers and funding sources.

If it is designated as a terrorist organization then it is illegal to be a member of it and you can be prosecuted as a terrorist for the crimes it is proven to have committed.

Correct...

It will also mean NO COVERAGE IF YOU HOME OR BUSINESS IS DESTROYED.

Right now lots of folks loving the insurance check on their burned out home or business... because a Civil Disobedience is a covered claim, but NOT TERRORISM.

Future premiums are going to get very weird and coverages as well... and ALL OF US ARE GOING TO SHARE THE PAIN.

Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea

Originally Posted by jimone

If they have illegal invaders in their ranks they are a foreign terorist organization.

Sodomy is technically illegal invasion...
So I guess that passes the sniff test.

I think youre talking the stiff test.

Originally Posted by jaguartx

Originally Posted by OldmanoftheSea

Originally Posted by jimone

If they have illegal invaders in their ranks they are a foreign terorist organization.

Sodomy is technically illegal invasion...
So I guess that passes the sniff test.

I think youre talking the stiff test.

antifa Australia page link.

Does anyone here still think it is not an international organisation?

As to the question...yes it is a terrorist organisation, and as such members should be treated as armed terrorists and executed.

Don’t matter. They can still burn your house down and walk Scott free. Free get out of jail card for all. Just make sure you have a pierced face and blue hair, so you look legit.

Originally Posted by CashisKing

Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

By what method do you propose for the President to declare ANTIFA a "Terrorist Organization"?

In the legal sense a "Terrorist Organization" refers to a designated "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and are designated by the Secretary of State, not the President, under section 219 of the INA.

So, here's your first problem:
Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.

Take of look at the official State Department list here:

https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/

Notice, there are no U.S centric organizations on the list.

Although the FBI will discuss groups as "Domestic Terrorist Threats", or "extremest groups". However, Generally, there groups engage in much activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly, so there's no constitutionally permissible equivalent designation for groups engaged in domestic terrorist activity.

Excellent... very smart and thank you.

‐--------------

Now... if 219 is amended or superceded and Antifa is actually declared a TO... what happens to each of us personally?

Clue #1... I was reading the fine print on my USAA policy the other day

No reimbursement for damage or injury by insurance organizations.

😎

Originally Posted by bigwhoop

Not only is ANTIFA a terrorist organization, but so is BLM!

Yep. Absolutely. They both bring about terror (rioting, violence, and destruction) against the civilian population for the purpose of pressuring them to demand the political change they seek. That's the definition of terrorism.