The S is just starting to hit the Fan. Could cool off in a few weeks, could get worse. Much worse.
Do y'all have any survival food?

The best food to get is corn, wheat and beans in five gallon buckets, nitrogen preserved.

https://pleasanthillgrain.com/buy-organic-yellow-dent-corn-for-sale

43 pounds of corn for 80 bucks. That is a lot of food. Along with that, you buy a bucket of kidney beans, you have the perfect nutritional mix. Protein, complex carbs, fiber and massive B vitamins. You ought to get a hand-grinder, but you could get along well without it.

Just those two buckets, you and your wife could live on that, alone for 3 months and be in pretty good shape.

Add to that a bucket of wheat, and a bucket of non-milled oat groats and y'all are off to the races.

You can buy all kinds of freeze dried food, and it is great I have eaten lots of them. But your biggest bang for the buck is these 5 gallon buckets of nitrogen packed grains and corn, and beans.

Gunpowder still burns, I’ve heard.

I’m not planning to live on corn and beans.

out the back door

need I say more ?

Hardtack, evaporated milk, peanut butter, honey. That is what I carry in the boat in case.

I saw a post on FB recently with a recipe for a food that will supposedly last for decades. Can't remember all the ingredients, but had jello in it. Made bars that you dehydrate in the oven. Didn't actually sound bad.

Look up PEMICAN. Mt man survival staple.
Meat, blueberries, and a lubricant.

Peanut butter generally lasts about a year, unopened and kept in a cool place. There have been times when I damn near lived on JIF, crackers and cheese.

Biggest concern for me is two weeks down time if/when I have to self-quarantine. I already have the dogs covered, I need more rice and beans.

I just ordered up treatment for 20000 gallons of water. Figure I will just go cannibal, survival KISS.

Rice and Soy sauce will store indefinitely and make almost any fish edible.

Sorta related, I recently found a copy of Tom Brown's {i] "Guide to Wild Edible and Medicinal Plants"[/i], I had forgotten all about that guy.

Apparently he's still around and still running a survival school in New Jersey where according to Wiki he runs sweats and his version of Plains Indian ceremonies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brown_Jr.

Wrote a book about "Healing the Earth" as recently as 2019.

Gotta admire the guy for pulling this all off

Wiki casts doubt upon the existence of his buddy's Lipan Apache grandfather, who ostensibly sent Tom off down that path.

Small world! Back in the 70's this figure was as remote to me back in NY State as anyone, turns out there's a bunch of Lipans in San Antonio, tho many off of any Tribal rolls, I've taught some of their kids. There coulda been a Lipan "Stalking Wolf" sixty years ago as Mr Brown claims I guess, especially if he was raised in Mexico.

I have 90 potato plants planted. Just butchered a beef today, have another ready in nov. Quite a few dried, and canned goods stocked in. Lots of deer and elk around. Sure glad I don't live in, or near a Metro.

White rice and pinto beans are the best calories for $ and store well for decades. 5 gal bucket, mylar bags, oxygen absorbers.

I could kill a couple of deer a day on my property, right from my house. Along with squirrels, rabbits, doves and turkeys. Trout streams and warm water fisheries near by. We wouldn't go hungry.

Mac, and cheese.

I'd lose a lot of weight on a survival diet. The idea is to survive, not get fat.

Is he the one that came up with that stupid "tracker" knife?

Not too worried up here. The county has ~60 cases. Deer in the yard, neighbors with large gardens.

The old Sourdoughs use to live on the sour bread, beans, some bacon if they could get it.

A few years back, I put up some rice and some dry
beans ( about 30 pounds IIRC) in some metal cans
to avoid rodents, and it all went rancid in about a
years time. I don't know if it was the extremely high
humidity of the far northern Big Thicket, or for some
other reason. I never did try the sealed nitrogen
packed foods available from vendors such as
NitroPak and the like. I have had good luck with just
regular canned goods that I store in a spare insulated
drink cooler so as to avoid temperature extremes.
I just rotate them out regularly. I mark the date stored
and the expiration date in big letters on the can

I'm fat enough to live on survival biomass for at least a month.

Potable water, is the thing.

No argument there. . .

I have a spring developed that gravity flows from the spring box with a sand bottom for filtration, through a 1" poly line into a 1,500 gal. Tank. Shallow well pump in the tank that pumps to my pressure tank. Procrastinated fir too long, but I'm ordering a hand pump to mount on a stand on the tank so we can access the reserve water even without electricity. Started researching solar the last couple days too. I'll have the cabin 100% off grid by years end.
Got complacent after Trump's win, but realizing now it's time to finish things up.

Boy O’ Boy’Ardee

Indeed!

Holy Kshizzle! Tom Brown even got to be technical advisor on a 2003 Benicio Del Toro/Tommy Lee Jones movie featuring that knife....




and you can still get that knife for only $300 and change...

https://www.topsknives.com/tom-brown-tracker-1

Like I said, I gotta give Tom Brown credit, he pulled it off and then some... in New Jersey....

Proof that in America, you can be anything you want

When I had the feed store, I had a customer who lived down river and during the monsoon season there were lots of times he couldn't get into town for a while. He would stock up on COB (corn, oats, barley). He would boil it along with whatever meat he had.

How long will a big bag of dried pinto beans last and still be worth cooking?

jag, you ever had any mexican jumpin beans?

Address please? What's your approximate BMI?

Ha! 5'10" 165. But when you feed 2 teenage boys, it takes a lot of food. Seriously though, 90 plants will feed us for a year. I have raised that many before, just to see what it would take to get us through a year. 4 or 5 deer and a beef as well. Glad I live where I do.

Skittles......

Well, do you count humping jumping beaners?

I probably don't want to eat people after all. But, some canned gravy would help?

Sounds cool. Do any canning? I gotta get on it and get some deer and elk put up. It'll last a long time, a decade I bet.

Seriously thinking though how easy it would be to get burned out. Or just how futile it'd be if the planet went dark for a year or two. Maybe the Mormons got it right, 3 months?

Sauerkraut and fermented veggies help.

Taters in a cellar.

Dried beans are always a staple.

Canned meat isnt a decade shelf time item unless MSG is in the mix. Keep it away from light.

If we go dark, no power for a year or more, all bets are off. 90% won't make it.

43 pounds for $80 bucks? A bushel weighs 56 pounds and todays Chicago board of trade price is $3.35/bushel. You must not know any farmers.

6 cases in my county and 4 cases in the county north of us.

I was going to post a picture of a mob of sheep, but I am worried about our Kiwi brethren getting horned up.

Wildlife like deer will go quick do to poaching. Guys who currently hunt will not be the only ones killing game. Anything edible will be exhausted quickly. It will be like the old market hunting days but everyone doing it.

RIIIIINGWOOOOOD NJ!!!!!

My family lived for a period of time just five miles away across the State Line in Sloatsburg NY (AKA "Slutsberg" on account of it was said to be easy to get laid at the skating rink, two of my cousins met their wives there ). Space is small in them Ramapo Mts and Ringwood is contiguous with the West Point/Harriman/TuxedoPark/Stirling Forest woodlands, actually quite a swathe of habitat just thirty miles from NYC. New Jersey's only bear fatality occurred in 2014 in nearby Milford State park when a Dot Indian Grad Student ran from and was killed by a big black bear. My cousin who is more like my brother is from Sloatsburg and used to take six or seven deer every year up the hill right in back of his house (ate them too). In high school and college I used to walk all over those mountains, but never as far south as Ringwood.

Ringwood is also part of the traditional home of the Jackson-Whites, a remnant mixed Indian/White/Black people indigenous to the Ramapos. If them fighting chickens in that old mine building ain't owned by Mexicans, then prob'ly by Jackson-Whites. Regardless, if everybody in that video got quiet, they could prob'ly hear the traffic on I 87, the NY State Thruway

A pretty good article on the Jackson-Whites here, which term has since apparently become racist... Mr Dennison was in trouble; a handgun in New Jersey, even worse, loaded with hollowpoints, a felony in that State Later that same day, one of the NJ Park Rangers shot and killed a guy.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/03/01/strangers-on-the-mountain

Most of the Ramapo Mountain woodlands, extending from Pompton Lakes, south of Mahwah, up to West Point, on the Hudson River, are now preserved as parks, where A.T.V.s are prohibited. But Stag Hill has traditionally been left alone, and blazed hiking trails steer clear of the residences by at least a mile in any direction. Dennison brought a switchblade with him, as well as a .22-calibre handgun, which he kept in a holster on his right side. He planned to take some target practice at one of the abandoned cars nearby, or, if he got lucky, to bag a deer or a wild turkey or some smaller game. “Basically, he was doing what every American kid does: go out in the woods and shoot off a couple of rounds,” his lawyer later argued. “It’s as American as apple pie.” Not in New Jersey. Dennison, a married man in his late fifties, soon ran into three park rangers, two men and a woman, who had wandered out of their jurisdiction during an “area familiarization” patrol, conducted on A.T.V.s of their own. They stopped him, and discovered that the handgun, for which he had no license, was loaded with hollow-point bullets, sometimes known as “cop killers.”.....

.......“Mountain people” is a euphemism for what locals used to call “Jackson Whites”—a racial slur that the referents equate with the word “[bleep].” They call themselves Ramapough Mountain Indians, or the Ramapough Lenape Nation, using an old Dutch spelling for the name of the river that cuts through the Hudson and North Jersey Highlands, although suburban whites tend to think of them as racially indeterminate clansfolk. The Ramapoughs number a few thousand, marry largely among themselves, and are concentrated in three primary settlements: on and around Stag Hill, in Mahwah; in the village of Hillburn, New York, in the hollow below Stag Hill’s northern slope; and, west of Stag Hill, in Ringwood, New Jersey, in the remains of an old iron-mining complex. The settlements span two states and three counties—a circumstance with socially marginalizing consequences—but they are essentially contiguous if you travel through the woods, by foot or A.T.V....

A grand jury in Hackensack eventually indicted Chad Walder, the park ranger who shot Emil Mann, for reckless manslaughter—the first time an officer of the law had faced such a serious charge in Bergen County since 1991. “You almost feel sorry for the man,” Roger De Groat, a plaintiff in the environmental suit, told me one afternoon when I visited him in Ringwood. “I think they were scared, didn’t know how to handle the situation. You walk up to people, you have to do it right. Tell ’em, ‘You know, you can’t be here, and you have to leave.’ Don’t go up there all loud and stupid in front of somebody’s kids.” He shook his head. “I’m surprised more people didn’t get killed up there that day, boy.”

De Groat is a tall, genial, sixty-year-old man with silver hair and a prominent nose. He lives more than half a mile from the closest main road, near a concrete remnant of the hoist house from the Peters Mine, which was first dug around 1740 and eventually grew to seventeen levels, extending nearly two thousand feet below the ground.


Thanks for the video

Too many people do not think long term! If the “ship hits the sand”, game will cease to exist in months! History shows what happened to Colorado’s elk population when hunters were killing elk for profit to feed the thousands of miners.

In many places a viable population of fish and game would almost be non-existent, without game laws, and the stocking of fish......and only a small percentage of people hunt and fish. When the masses start hunting/fishing to survive.....the “Pickens” will get “slim” pretty quickly (reverse pun intended) ! memtb

free range chickens

Insects for the pure protein.

Wildlife will be devastated in a matter of months everywhere in TEOTWAWKI.

Jake, you need to be very careful, or......your neighbors may be enjoying “fat back and beans”! memtb

For $300 or slightly more one can get a fine Fallkniven survival knife. I looked at offerings from Tops, they seem quite overpriced for what you get.