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He brought a knife to a gun fight.
She had more patience than I would have.

kwg
Awe schit!

Now I gotta burn my house down.
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A "suicide by cop" attempt, perhaps?...... Or, if he was drunk like the story said; he coulda been REAL drunk...... Refuse to drop knife. Charge at an armed cop = You get shot. Drunk or sober.
I would say she gave him every chance to not leak vital fluids all over that nice clean parking lot. Suppose he is lucky to be alive.
She was a lot more patient than I would have been. And I would have shot more than once.

But all's well that ends well, she did a good job.
She waited too long. Very charitable of her, but put her in danger. The guy was obviously seeking suicide by cop. Little did he know, I guess, that most people survive handgun wounds, even to the torso. So all he got was a lot of painful recovery time and a prison sentence, and who knows what permanent medical issues connected to the injury.
Looks like a good shoot to me.
Paul B.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
She waited too long. Very charitable of her, but put her in danger. The guy was obviously seeking suicide by cop. Little did he know, I guess, that most people survive handgun wounds, even to the torso. So all he got was a lot of painful recovery time and a prison sentence, and who knows what permanent medical issues connected to the injury.





^^^^+ This
Not a good shoot. She kept letting the sucker walk her around and endangering others in the background. She should have stood her ground when there were no innocents behind him and popped him when he advanced. It appeared as if at one point she was almost running backward. If she had tripped and fallen and made a bad shot....

OTOH, shes a good pistolero.
jaguar you are right about that. She walked backwards for many steps, if she had tripped on a curb and fallen, something bad would have happened.
My nephew knows her well. She's still enjoying her time off from that shooting.

Nephew says the guy developed sepsis, but pulled through.
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
She was a lot more patient than I would have been. And I would have shot more than once.

But all's well that ends well, she did a good job.

yes the right thing to do was to kill everyone in the parking lot. then nuke it from orbit
Originally Posted by SPQR70AD
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
She was a lot more patient than I would have been. And I would have shot more than once.

But all's well that ends well, she did a good job.

yes the right thing to do was to kill everyone in the parking lot. then nuke it from orbit

It's the only way to be sure. Just ask Ripley.
Looks like the Police need to issue running shoes if they’re going to handle situations like this.

😎
I think someone holding a knife would have to only tell me once they were going to kill me
He should have been shot the moment he moved forward.

She and potentially others are very lucky she didn't trip going backwards and he went down with one shot.

She definitely needs more training.
Originally Posted by FatCity67
He should have been shot the moment he moved forward.

She and potentially others are very lucky she didn't trip going backwards and he went down with one shot.

She definitely needs more training.



Looking at the video of the guy filming from the side, he was only about 3-4 feet from her when she fired.

Don't let someone bum rush you with a knife. They'll kill ya.

I wouldn't have played 'Ring Around the Tahoe' as much as she did. He was disobeying and was aggressive. Bang.
what was his story - he didn't sound insane, just stupid and angry
How she resisted a mag dump is beyond me, that guy was begging for it lol
Originally Posted by KFWA
what was his story - he didn't sound insane, just stupid and angry



Looked drugged up to me.

But, what's the difference? Drunk, drugs, angry, or just homicidal? Same same.
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
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Youre afraid to watch a video because the feds might start tracking your movements?


Between this and you not believing in tooth paste, and African/Jamaican faith healing of cancer....


You could be in contention for KOTY.




Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Dot Govs leave too many tracking cookies on my computer.
No thank you.
Maybe the verbage could be pasted?

Youre afraid to watch a video because the feds might start tracking your movements?


Between this and you not believing in tooth paste, and African/Jamaican faith healing of cancer....


You could be in contention for KOTY.


Yet has 700 posts in a couple of months HERE... LOL.
Originally Posted by KFWA
what was his story - he didn't sound insane, just stupid and angry



His wife probably caught him foucking a blow up doll and moving to Alaska to hide in shame was not an option he could afford
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by KFWA
what was his story - he didn't sound insane, just stupid and angry



Looked drugged up to me.

But, what's the difference? Drunk, drugs, angry, or just homicidal? Same same.


just trying to figure out his motivations. Seems pretty dedicated to death by cop
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by FatCity67
He should have been shot the moment he moved forward.

She and potentially others are very lucky she didn't trip going backwards and he went down with one shot.

She definitely needs more training.



Looking at the video of the guy filming from the side, he was only about 3-4 feet from her when she fired.

Don't let someone bum rush you with a knife. They'll kill ya.


I concur.
Wonder how a counselor would have handled that situation in one of these newfangled "woke" cities?
I am glad she did not get hurt. After the guy said he would kill her and continued to chase her, she should have acted.
I imagine most would pop a couple rounds, not just one, and she reholstered the pistol before he was cuffed. That was shady.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
She waited too long. Very charitable of her, but put her in danger. The guy was obviously seeking suicide by cop. Little did he know, I guess, that most people survive handgun wounds, even to the torso. So all he got was a lot of painful recovery time and a prison sentence, and who knows what permanent medical issues connected to the injury.


Spot on. Loved the one shot stop. I'm betting it wasn't a 9MM smile
And... these idiots that grab their phone and get that close to both the officer and the unstable knife wielding attacker have no idea how dangerous that is. If the phone recording guy got shot or stabbed in the melee you know a lawsuit against the police officer, department and city is coming immediately. The cop shot me, I got stabbed and the cop didn't protect me, blah, blah. Stupid azz!
Originally Posted by MOGC
Wonder how a counselor would have handled that situation in one of these newfangled "woke" cities?


By holding up a teddy bear and asking the knife wielding dipshît to point to where he was touched.

🙄😎
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
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And you come here? Just watch the fuggin video.
Good shoot, but she should have shot him multiple times as soon as he charged her.

She's lucky he didn't get to her; guy was obviously drunk on high on something or deranged, in any case, he was a danger to all around.

MM
Originally Posted by slumlord
...foucking a blow up doll...


What's wrong with that? (asking for a friend) smile
Well deserved.
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Dot Govs leave too many tracking cookies on my computer.
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Have you ever heard that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt?

Just wondering.
The cop has been watching to much MSM footage of riot control cops. Should have gave the guy a mag dump. After all he can't be . worth much ,he don't like women telling him what to do. MB
I was a bit surprised that in all the time he’s was chasing her around no one stepped in to help her. Doesn’t seem like a tackle or leg sweep from behind would be that hard to pull off. But whip out your cell phone and get some good Farcebook video seems to be the modern response.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
She waited too long. Very charitable of her, but put her in danger. The guy was obviously seeking suicide by cop. Little did he know, I guess, that most people survive handgun wounds, even to the torso. So all he got was a lot of painful recovery time and a prison sentence, and who knows what permanent medical issues connected to the injury.


Spot on. Loved the one shot stop. I'm betting it wasn't a 9MM smile


I think the current issue handgun there is the Glock 17 9mm. I think they recently transitioned to the G17 from the G22 40 S&W. Not sure what the department issue ammunition is currently.
Originally Posted by NVhntr
I was a bit surprised that in all the time he’s was chasing her around no one stepped in to help her. Doesn’t seem like a tackle or leg sweep from behind would be that hard to pull off. But whip out your cell phone and get some good Farcebook video seems to be the modern response.



Looking to get stabbed in the eye? That officer doesn't want to ground grapple with a worked up dude with a knife. And neither should you.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
She waited too long. Very charitable of her, but put her in danger. The guy was obviously seeking suicide by cop. Little did he know, I guess, that most people survive handgun wounds, even to the torso. So all he got was a lot of painful recovery time and a prison sentence, and who knows what permanent medical issues connected to the injury.


Spot on. Loved the one shot stop. I'm betting it wasn't a 9MM smile

My inside source says 9mm, Speer Gold Dot, 124 Grain +P, through the gut.
Funny how y’all are so quick to say what she should have done 😂
Originally Posted by Beaver10
Originally Posted by MOGC
Wonder how a counselor would have handled that situation in one of these newfangled "woke" cities?


By holding up a teddy bear and asking the knife wielding dipshît to point to where he was touched.

🙄😎



That was pretty funny.
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by KFWA
what was his story - he didn't sound insane, just stupid and angry



His wife probably caught him foucking a blow up doll and moving to Alaska to hide in shame was not an option he could afford


Yep

Brought home a case of vinyleria disease, and she caught a dose.
WLM !!!
Originally Posted by MOGC
Originally Posted by NVhntr
I was a bit surprised that in all the time he’s was chasing her around no one stepped in to help her. Doesn’t seem like a tackle or leg sweep from behind would be that hard to pull off. But whip out your cell phone and get some good Farcebook video seems to be the modern response.



Looking to get stabbed in the eye? That officer doesn't want to ground grapple with a worked up dude with a knife. And neither should you.


I don't think I'd get in the middle of that when the cop is getting ready to shoot the perp.
Cop kept it together; used the most important tool - radio - very well. One safe shot, one good stop, one healthy officer. Does not get better. First year rookie has her stuff wired up.

Did I hear the bad guy say “Ooooo that hurt”? Educational day for him.
Cops aren't killers and should not be criticized for not appearing as killers. I for one think she did a damn good job.

I do wonder what would happen if the dude with the knife was "of color".

g
I think she didn’t want to shoot him and thought as a one year rookie thinks she could talk him out of it.

She looked pretty calm holstering her weapon. Valuable experience she won’t forget. Good job in my opinion.
You know that's the last thing she wanted to do.
When are we supposed to riot?

Seems the mostly white thing to do. grin
It is unfortunate that modern cops have to make so much effort to de escalate dangerous situations increasing risk to themselves and others. Plenty of lightweights on here would say that she should have tased him or just shot the knife out of his hand. I am surprised that she shot him only once but she definitely stopped the threat.


mike r
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
https://www.phoenix.gov/newsroom/police/1431

He brought a knife to a gun fight.


She showed a lot of patience. This was a good response.
Originally Posted by lvmiker
It is unfortunate that modern cops have to make so much effort to de escalate dangerous situations increasing risk to themselves and others. Plenty of lightweights on here would say that she should have tased him or just shot the knife out of his hand. I am surprised that she shot him only once but she definitely stopped the threat.


mike r

Yep. She did her job and did all that she could do to de escalate the situation.

The guy is very lucky to be alive.
Suicide by Cop, The new easy way to go out.
I'm glad he was the only one injured. In the right place he would not have made it out of that store. Hats off to this officer and I hope she has a long prosperous career.
Originally Posted by StoneCutter
Originally Posted by NVhntr
I was a bit surprised that in all the time he’s was chasing her around no one stepped in to help her....


I don't think I'd get in the middle of that when
the cop is getting ready to shoot the perp.


Common sense on the CF?

IF she doesn't know to shoot earlier
why put yer ass on the line for her?
it's not like she would give you a kidney
if you needed one after being stabbed
and possibly shot by her.



I am big. I am strong. I know some martial arts.
I have stepped in on a half dozen occasions, and helped police officers under assault and helped wrestle criminals to the ground.
But, you got a female cop with her gun on the bad guy, he has a knife. I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole.
You could get stabbed.
You could get shot.
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
I am big. I am strong. I know some martial arts.
I have stepped in on a half dozen occasions, and helped police officers under assault and helped wrestle criminals to the ground.
But, you got a female cop with her gun on the bad guy, he has a knife. I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole.
You could get stabbed.
You could get shot.


Both
I’d say she had too much patience. That could have gone so wrong if she’d tripped.

Originally Posted by kwg020
She had more patience than I would have.

kwg
that ought to be a training film on how NOT to handle a situation like that. the guy needed shot waaaay before. she should not have been back peddling like that. she's lucky she didn't trip. she needs to go on desk duty.
This dude obviously had a great relationship with his wife and mother.
Originally Posted by David_Walter
I’d say she had too much patience. That could have gone so wrong if she’d tripped.

Originally Posted by kwg020
She had more patience than I would have.

kwg



Doesn’t help that cops have to worry about going to prison if they defend themselves.
Originally Posted by David_Walter
I’d say she had too much patience. That could have gone so wrong if she’d tripped.

Originally Posted by kwg020
She had more patience than I would have.

kwg


My thought, exactly. Running backwards under extreme duress is highly likely to cause that, and then he'd be on top of her in a second with that knife.
This was a good learning experience for both parties. Hopefully they will make better decisions the next time this scenario occurs. 😏
Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Originally Posted by David_Walter
I’d say she had too much patience. That could have gone so wrong if she’d tripped.

Originally Posted by kwg020
She had more patience than I would have.

kwg



Doesn’t help that cops have to worry about going to prison if they defend themselves.


This has to be front and center in their minds now, and it's a damned shame.
Originally Posted by windridge
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by KFWA
what was his story - he didn't sound insane, just stupid and angry



His wife probably caught him foucking a blow up doll and moving to Alaska to hide in shame was not an option he could afford


Yep

Brought home a case of vinyleria disease, and she caught a dose.


Special friends, wart edition
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by David_Walter
I’d say she had too much patience. That could have gone so wrong if she’d tripped.

Originally Posted by kwg020
She had more patience than I would have.

kwg


My thought, exactly. Running backwards under extreme duress is highly likely to cause that, and then he'd be on top of her in a second with that knife.



There was a time that I would have been in agreement that retreat is a poor option. But none of us are cops that have to solve these problems in today's socio/political climate. The bad guy went down, she didn't and the cameras support a good shooting board. I think it will be very difficult to recruit good cops going forward.

Maybe standards will drop enough that starfish can live out his fantasies?...Naaahgrin


mike r
Originally Posted by lvmiker

Maybe standards will drop enough that starfish can live out his fantasies?...Naaahgrin


Being a cop in a thug union and manservant to
your gov. would be below my standards and
certainly no fantasy of mine.

buts it's easy to understand why you relish such.
Fine job!

I wish they could have tazzed him in the privates.

With as many that carry concealed in Az, I am surprised that he did not get shot in the grocery store!
Originally Posted by lvmiker
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by David_Walter
I’d say she had too much patience. That could have gone so wrong if she’d tripped.

Originally Posted by kwg020
She had more patience than I would have.

kwg


My thought, exactly. Running backwards under extreme duress is highly likely to cause that, and then he'd be on top of her in a second with that knife.



There was a time that I would have been in agreement that retreat is a poor option. But none of us are cops that have to solve these problems in today's socio/political climate. The bad guy went down, she didn't and the cameras support a good shooting board. I think it will be very difficult to recruit good cops going forward.

Maybe standards will drop enough that starfish can live out his fantasies?...Naaahgrin


mike r



New Orleans city is at the point of hiring cops with past records if all terms of associated probation were met. They’re in a bind and have been for some time. The level of crime there is commensurate with that situation.

The area Sheriffs’ departments aren’t as strapped as the city.
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Dot Govs leave too many tracking cookies on my computer.
No thank you.
Maybe the verbage could be pasted?

Youre afraid to watch a video because the feds might start tracking your movements?


Between this and you not believing in tooth paste, and African/Jamaican faith healing of cancer....


You could be in contention for KOTY.


Yet has 700 posts in a couple of months HERE... LOL.

What we are seeing is the usual transistion into a Liberal Socialist Democrat sockpuppet.
JMO......
Some of start out posting solid material thinking they are playing deep state get their confidence game then go Liberal Socialist Democrat.


Pretty typical if you look back at the 1st 1 to 3 pages of these types in their posting history..


Or happy camper is now self medicating his happy pills against his doctors directives.

Mental patients on catch and release do it all the time.



LOL!!!
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Dot Govs leave too many tracking cookies on my computer.
No thank you.
Maybe the verbage could be pasted?

Youre afraid to watch a video because the feds might start tracking your movements?


Between this and you not believing in tooth paste, and African/Jamaican faith healing of cancer....


You could be in contention for KOTY.


Yet has 700 posts in a couple of months HERE... LOL.

What we are seeing is the usual transistion into a Liberal Socialist Democrat sockpuppet.
JMO......
Some of start out posting solid material thinking they are playing deep state get their confidence game then go Liberal Socialist Democrat.


Pretty typical if you look back at the 1st 1 to 3 pages of these types in their posting history..


Or happy camper is now self medicating his happy pills against his doctors directives.

Mental patients on catch and release do it all the time.



LOL!!!



I guess I missed the part where he was posting solid material. I had him pegged as a kook from the start. As slumlord posted earlier he's got to be the 2020 KOTY winner.
Originally Posted by 12344mag
Awe schit!

Now I gotta burn my house down.




Before you do that, can I have that old beat up shotgun??????
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by lvmiker

Maybe standards will drop enough that starfish can live out his fantasies?...Naaahgrin


Being a cop in a thug union and manservant to
your gov. would be below my standards and
certainly no fantasy of mine.

buts it's easy to understand why you relish such.



Your standards? You have yet to clarify any background that suggest any standards. Rumor has it that you are a sockpuppet of a govt. employee Confirm of deny...rob. You couldn't pass the PT standards that the lady cop passed. LMAO


#sockpuppetshavestandardstoo.


mike r
Originally Posted by lvmiker
.. You have yet to clarify any background that suggest any standards.


Nobody owes you anything.
but you can't shake your deluded
sense of entitlement.


Originally Posted by lvmiker
..
Rumor has it that you are a sockpuppet of a govt. employee Confirm of deny...rob..


Rumors, gossip, wild supposition and wishful
thinking... Great police work!.. keep it up,
it will do you and the reputation of LE wonders... 😂

Originally Posted by lvmiker
.. You couldn't pass the PT standards that the lady cop passed. LMAO


I dont train to run backwards like her
so there's nothing to compare.
Originally Posted by NVhntr
Originally Posted by renegade50
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by slumlord
Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Dot Govs leave too many tracking cookies on my computer.
No thank you.
Maybe the verbage could be pasted?

Youre afraid to watch a video because the feds might start tracking your movements?


Between this and you not believing in tooth paste, and African/Jamaican faith healing of cancer....


You could be in contention for KOTY.


Yet has 700 posts in a couple of months HERE... LOL.

What we are seeing is the usual transistion into a Liberal Socialist Democrat sockpuppet.
JMO......
Some of start out posting solid material thinking they are playing deep state get their confidence game then go Liberal Socialist Democrat.


Pretty typical if you look back at the 1st 1 to 3 pages of these types in their posting history..


Or happy camper is now self medicating his happy pills against his doctors directives.

Mental patients on catch and release do it all the time.



LOL!!!



I guess I missed the part where he was posting solid material. I had him pegged as a kook from the start. As slumlord posted earlier he's got to be the 2020 KOTY winner.

Looking for tooth thread.
Just got of phone with slumlord.
Lol!!!
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by lvmiker
.. You have yet to clarify any background that suggest any standards.


Nobody owes you anything.
but you can't shake your deluded
sense of entitlement.


Originally Posted by lvmiker
..
Rumor has it that you are a sockpuppet of a govt. employee Confirm of deny...rob..


Rumors, gossip, wild supposition and wishful
thinking... keep it up, it will do you and the
reputation of LE wonders... 😂

Originally Posted by lvmiker
.. You couldn't pass the PT standards that the lady cop passed. LMAO


I dont train to run backwards like her
so there's nothing to compare.



#panicreaction


mike r
Sad old and lonely Mikers got nothing but
wild imagination and fantasy .. but that's
what [some] cops call 'compelling evidence'...



Originally Posted by lvmiker
..
#panicreaction


To an irrational vivid mind it could seem that way.
you have my empathy for the personal problems
you suffer.


2:13
The officer waited WAY too long. She could have tripped while walking backward so much and then he'd have been on her. Should tapped him much much sooner.
The guy was in the store threatening the people with a knife. These days, every customer in that store had an Iphone, and so did the clerks. He knew damn well it would be called in, six ways to Sunday.

Out in the parking lot he is raging like a Wild Man and threatening civilians with the knife. Easily, ten civilians in that parking lot saw that, and every one of them had the Iphone. 911 is blowing up.

The officer arrives, and he says "Shoot me you bitch I will kill you!" Said it about a half-dozen times.

From the start it was Suicide by Cop.
So wait, she shot him in the guts? He went down but lived?
Originally Posted by bluefish
So wait, she shot him in the guts? He went down but lived?


Yes
Originally Posted by bluefish
So wait, she shot him in the guts? He went down but lived?

My source says it was a close call. He developed sepsis from the gut shot. They barely saved him.
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