So it appears a 17 yr old using a borrowed rifle stopped the riots in Kenosha WI.
Much speculation has followed concerning citizens with rifles vs mobs.
As most on this forum are quite a bit older and obviously much better citizens I figured we should show the exact rifle we would show up with when the mob was at the wall and being a good citizen required an armed response to save the country.
My deer rifle will suffice, and I intend to start working the bolt at 200 yds - just to see how a 165-gr. Sierra GameKing performs on a biped at that range.
700 BDL Leupold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40 30.06 Springfield using Federal ammo with 165-gr SGK
Odd man out here, I like it up close and personal, 12 gauge Remington 870 extended magazine with bayonet, backup Ruger full size 9MM. Assorted buckshot and leftover steel shot geese loads.
Ruger 22/45 with a can, subsonic ammo and no optics. Aim for the gut.
I do believe that’s the way it’s done in Israel.
It'd be a shame for me to try to reinvent the wheel...
It will work without the silencer.
I don't think my Raven will accommodate one.
(Just for Mr Brown, I think I had that one in my boot when the canoe swamped. Damn shame about my Hi Points though)
I was just about to ask you about your Raven 25 acp . Great minds think alike and all.
What about that Tangfolio 22?
Dude,
that is a really really hard name to pronounce and I'm of Good Italian Stock.
I think the .22 is a nickel Iver Johnson maybe. .22 short chambering so I guess you other folks will have to shoot the tall rioters. Maybe I can kneecap them??
I watched the video. I was impressed with his composure and skill.
What we need is a program in the inner cities to teach marksmanship. Fully fund a pilot program in Chicago. Let's call them Inner City Marksmen. Pass out Glocks and ammo and teach them to shoot, fully funded, this schhit would end on a good note
I believe - Ithaca 37, extended mag, and #1 buck should do the job.
Love me some Ithaca 37's and have a bunch, but if I'm gonna have to fight with a shotgun I'm rolling with an 870 due the open starboard side for quick follow ups.
Let's offer them kindness for the years of oppression that their ancestors went through. 🍟🍔🥧🍧🥤🥤. Offer to take them all out to McDonald's and pass out happy meal toys and gift certificates...maybe they will appreciate it and reform as they skip for joy all the way back home. 🌻🌻🌻
Mr, Burns, As you have may have heard there is an epidemic of canoe accidents and unfortunately I fell victim and all my guns are at the bottom of the lake.... Fortunately I was able to save my politically correct .410 & 38 revolver..... the gas mask is a must for the "covid" saving lives
I make it a point to stay away from mobs, riots, demonstrations, and gatherings of more than four people. I have no desire to have a confrontation with the brain dead, spoiled brat thugs. I am. however, always prepared for eventualities, if need were to arise.
Although I lost all my firearms overboard, I'm intent on picking up a can of bear spray, a can of wasp spray, and a can of hair spray with a holster for a Bic lighter attached. Next time I'm up at the big town I'm going to bring cash too, so they can't track my purchases.
For crowd control, a suppressed bolt action .22 RF with Eley Tenex subsonic ammo. "Shoot and move" from a couple of blocks away. Up close and personal, a home brewed flame thrower with a half gallon of gasoline, a motorcycle battery, and a 12 volt fuel injection pump, plus an electric gas grill igniter. 20 foot range or maybe a little more.
For crowd control, a suppressed bolt action .22 RF with Eley Tenex subsonic ammo. "Shoot and move" from a couple of blocks away. Up close and personal, a home brewed flame thrower with a half gallon of gasoline, a motorcycle battery, and a 12 volt fuel injection pump, plus an electric gas grill igniter. 20 foot range or maybe a little more.
Don't know where you're located,but a "block" can average 100+/-yards on one side by 200+/- yards . The short side might work OK with a subsonic .22 but that long side might be iffy for accurate shooting. Especially with any wind.
Of course, if there's a riot, hitting the person next to the one being aimed at works too.
No fight is won of the defense. When this goes hot do not retreat. Attack. If you don't you may not loose today but you will soon enough Attacking makes the enemy run, and you CAN'T allow them to get away for long, or they will be back. When it goes hot all over (and it will) remember what you read here. 100 patriots with Ruger #1s would do fine if they have courage, but 5000 with full-auto ARs or AKs that want to "defend" will loose. It's only a matter of time. Defend against the communists and they simply flee and come back later, or in some other place. Attack and they don't come back at all.
Mark my words, the guy that was only wounded will be back doing what he can to destroy our republic ------but the 2 dead ones WILL NOT!
That one kid is the talk of the nation. He is no coward. He deserves to be honored. But think of how things would be right now if about 75 to 100 patriots had shown up and ALL had counter-attacked as soon as the communist had attacked. Where would BLM and ANTIFA be in their recruiting efforts this vary morning is ALL those that had been rioting were dead or crippled for life, right now.
Initiative and momentum are ALWAYS on the side that attacks and keeps their attack going. They are the ones that win.
Remember that, because the time IS coming--------- for sure and for certain.
I can't imagine a herd of antifa marching through my bumphuck community even in my most fevered nightmares.
Yep, and for that reason, if it gets real, I'm expecting they wont.
I also dont think they are prepared for guerrilla warfare against the community. Now if we had an EMP or computer shutdown resulting in loss of infrastructure then folks who ran out of food and water would probably gang up in gangs of bandits.
From rooftops as the very peaceful protesters ---smash ,burn , and loot --One pops a .22 short-long or long rifle in the ass or leg --- Just 4 or 5 shooters popping 20+- a night would quickly reduce the number of dancers showing up for the block party
For crowd control, a suppressed bolt action .22 RF with Eley Tenex subsonic ammo. "Shoot and move" from a couple of blocks away. Up close and personal, a home brewed flame thrower with a half gallon of gasoline, a motorcycle battery, and a 12 volt fuel injection pump, plus an electric gas grill igniter. 20 foot range or maybe a little more.
Someone I know lives behind enemy lines but still believes in the Boy Scout moto. Perfectly legal combo w coupled 10rd mags. Not perfect, but will keep him out of jail and give him options should his XP45 not be enough. Funny thing is his wife thought he was crazy until this week, but earlier this week she asked him if that was still in the trunk. As for me, I'm a'skerd of those evil things.
No fight is won of the defense. When this goes hot do not retreat. Attack. If you don't you may not loose today but you will soon enough Attacking makes the enemy run, and you CAN'T allow them to get away for long, or they will be back. When it goes hot all over (and it will) remember what you read here. 100 patriots with Ruger #1s would do fine if they have courage, but 5000 with full-auto ARs or AKs that want to "defend" will loose. It's only a matter of time. Defend against the communists and they simply flee and come back later, or in some other place. Attack and they don't come back at all.
Mark my words, the guy that was only wounded will be back doing what he can to destroy our republic ------but the 2 dead ones WILL NOT!
That one kid is the talk of the nation. He is no coward. He deserves to be honored. But think of how things would be right now if about 75 to 100 patriots had shown up and ALL had counter-attacked as soon as the communist had attacked. Where would BLM and ANTIFA be in their recruiting efforts this vary morning is ALL those that had been rioting were dead or crippled for life, right now.
Initiative and momentum are ALWAYS on the side that attacks and keeps their attack going. They are the ones that win.
Remember that, because the time IS coming--------- for sure and for certain.
Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.
My deer rifle will suffice, and I intend to start working the bolt at 200 yds - just to see how a 165-gr. Sierra GameKing performs on a biped at that range.
700 BDL Leopold Vari-X III 3.5-10x40 30.06 Springfield using Federal ammo with 165-gr SGK
My dad stuck a bunch of FMJ 30 cal. bullets into bipeds in Africa, and Europe. They work very well.
I believe - Ithaca 37, extended mag, and #1 buck should do the job.
Post a picture.
That said zero SMU/SF/SEAL/Ranger/SWAT are using a Shot Gun for anything except blowing door hinges and lock.
But that's just every single authoritative opinion except your goofy take on this.
Congratulations?
To be fair, how much direct engagement riot duty do SMU/SF/SEAL/Ranger/SWAT do?
I believe the restrictions on targets for the shotgun ammunition are based on the Laws of Land Warfare and the Treaty of Versailles, which banned the use of frangible ammunition in the offensive role. The US used shotguns in defensive roles , ie guarding prisoners, and other ways as you mentioned against material, such as doorknobs and hinges. At least that was the rules twenty years ago, when I was still in. The SWAT, or TAC team in my current Department will often use shotguns in both roles,as they see fit.
I think you guys should be aware that after the Kenosha deal these "non-violent protesters" have come out and said their worst fears are coming true...that armed citizens are showing up at their 'protests'....
And none of you callous individuals seem the least concerned about getting them all butt hurt and spoiling their fun...
I think you guys should be aware that after the Kenosha deal these "non-violent protesters" have come out and said their worst fears are coming true...that armed citizens are showing up at their 'protests'....
And none of you callous individuals seem the least concerned about getting them all butt hurt and spoiling their fun...
Soooo insensitive...
I could use solids in the .460 Wby.
And I'll put a "have a nice day sticker" on the butt stock too.
Straight off the shelf Sig M400 with pistol brace. Pretty accurate carbine, I mean pistol. Trigger sucks ass! Aimpoint Pro Patrol dot - which is excellent and allows for co-witness of iron sites.
I’ve put over 2k rounds of both 62g fmj and 55g hp through it. I recall only 2 ftf caused by a bummer mag. Good weapon, imo.
I believe - Ithaca 37, extended mag, and #1 buck should do the job.
Post a picture.
That said zero SMU/SF/SEAL/Ranger/SWAT are using a Shot Gun for anything except blowing door hinges and lock.
But that's just every single authoritative opinion except your goofy take on this.
Congratulations?
But then special forces don’t deal with mobs and riots. Goofy is asking for opinions, and then belittling the answers.
That did come out a bit more smart azz than intended.
Actually SF does deal with mobs on occasion, one of the more famous happened in Mogadishu.
The video from Kenosha also points out the disadvantage a pump action would be in a mob situation. Better than a pocket full of marbles but a selfloading rifle is a better weapon if you have a choice.
I believe - Ithaca 37, extended mag, and #1 buck should do the job.
Post a picture.
That said zero SMU/SF/SEAL/Ranger/SWAT are using a Shot Gun for anything except blowing door hinges and lock.
But that's just every single authoritative opinion except your goofy take on this.
Congratulations?
But then special forces don’t deal with mobs and riots. Goofy is asking for opinions, and then belittling the answers.
That did come out a bit more smart azz than intended.
Actually SF does deal with mobs on occasion, one of the more famous happened in Mogadishu.
The video from Kenosha also points out the disadvantage a pump action would be in a mob situation. Better than a pocket full of marbles but a selfloading rifle is a better weapon if you have a choice.
The Federal Marshals did deploy several of their special tactics teams to protect the Portland Fed Courthouse from anarchists.
Bad mofo’s that you could see were chomping at their bits each night for the call to charge into the rioters en masse and make arrests.
They all were packing STI 2011 9’s with Leupold DeltaPoint Pro optic.
No fight is won of the defense. When this goes hot do not retreat. Attack. If you don't you may not loose today but you will soon enough Attacking makes the enemy run, and you CAN'T allow them to get away for long, or they will be back. When it goes hot all over (and it will) remember what you read here. 100 patriots with Ruger #1s would do fine if they have courage, but 5000 with full-auto ARs or AKs that want to "defend" will loose. It's only a matter of time. Defend against the communists and they simply flee and come back later, or in some other place. Attack and they don't come back at all.
Mark my words, the guy that was only wounded will be back doing what he can to destroy our republic ------but the 2 dead ones WILL NOT!
That one kid is the talk of the nation. He is no coward. He deserves to be honored. But think of how things would be right now if about 75 to 100 patriots had shown up and ALL had counter-attacked as soon as the communist had attacked. Where would BLM and ANTIFA be in their recruiting efforts this vary morning is ALL those that had been rioting were dead or crippled for life, right now.
Initiative and momentum are ALWAYS on the side that attacks and keeps their attack going. They are the ones that win.
Remember that, because the time IS coming--------- for sure and for certain.
Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.
But think of how things would be right now if about 75 to 100 patriots had shown up and ALL had counter-attacked as soon as the communist had attacked. Where would BLM and ANTIFA be in their recruiting efforts this vary morning is ALL those that had been rioting were dead or crippled for life, right now.
Counter attacking gets you prison sentences.
You have a right to self-defense but you don't get to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
Rule of Law is what separates us from the savages.
An old school sniper dropping one, unseen, unheard, every few nights, would have a strong psychological effect on the rest.
Remember back a few years to the DC Sniper.
Remember what happened to them - I am not sure their actions are a good example to hold up for folks to emulate.
"In September 2003, Muhammad was sentenced to death, and in October, the juvenile, Malvo, was sentenced to six consecutive life sentences without parole. In November 2009, Muhammad was put to death by lethal injection."
John Burns, with all respect (sincerely) I need to point out some facts and truth: If you have the mindset that laws apply to you and not to them you say things like this >>>You have a right to self-defense but you don't get to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
But when you find yourself in a civil war, there are no laws. When the police chiefs and politicians give their de-facto consent to the rioting, arson and lawlessness, is it reasonable to believe a unit of 100 armed men in counter attack are going to be "arrested' when 500 to 750 people in the ACT of burning, rioting, looting, raping, vandalizing and occasionally murdering are left alone?
When I was a younger man (from 18 to late 30s) I saw up-close what the communist onslaught looks like, and who was pulling the stings. Guess what..............it's the same people now.
We have become so conditioned to not think. In wars we are told we have "rules of engagement' and the other side doesn't. Have you noticed in these kinds of wars we always loose -----------or at best keep a fight going with no chance of winning?
We need to start thinking and learning from 6000 years of history, instead of allowing the talking heads on TV to do our thinking for us. If the founders thought that way (and they were told they had to incidentally) we'd all still be British subjects.
I'd wish you a Happy 4th of July now instead of waiting unto next July,---------because if most Americans think that way, there is not going to be anything to celebrate in less then 1 year.
Livestock stays in fenced enclosures because they don't control their own minds. They could get out with very little effort but they have been convinced that they can't. People also stay in subjection because they have given up control of their own thought processes. Cattle and horses are faster and stronger than people but people are smarter then cattle and horses. If people get out of their “enclosures” however, it’s only because they are smarter than those that would like to convince them that there is an enclosure they need to stay inside, ...........when in fact there is none.
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case; you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill
"None is more hopelessly enslaved then those that falsely believe they are free" Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"How fortunate for those in power that the people never think" ...............Adolph Hitler.
"To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence". ..........Friedrich Nietzsche
In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man-brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. ~Mark Twain
"the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" ..Edmond Burke
John Burns, with all respect (sincerely) I need to point out some facts and truth: If you have the mindset that laws apply to you and not to them you say things like this >>>You have a right to self-defense but you don't get to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
But when you find yourself in a civil war, there are no laws. When the police chiefs and politicians give their de-facto consent to the rioting, arson and lawlessness, is it reasonable to believe a unit of 100 armed men in counter attack are going to be "arrested' when 500 to 750 people in the ACT of burning, rioting, looting, raping, vandalizing and occasionally murdering are left alone?
When I was a younger man (from 18 to late 30s) I saw up-close what the communist onslaught looks like, and who was pulling the stings. Guess what..............it's the same people now.
We have become so conditioned to not think. In wars we are told we have "rules of engagement' and the other side doesn't. Have you noticed in these kinds of wars we always loose -----------or at best keep a fight going with no chance of winning?
We need to start thinking and learning from 6000 years of history, instead of allowing the talking heads on TV to do our thinking for us. If the founders thought that way (and they were told they had to incidentally) we'd all still be British subjects.
I'd wish you a Happy 4th of July now instead of waiting unto next July,---------because if most Americans think that way, there is not going to be anything to celebrate in less then 1 year.
Livestock stays in fenced enclosures because they don't control their own minds. They could get out with very little effort but they have been convinced that they can't. People also stay in subjection because they have given up control of their own thought processes. Cattle and horses are faster and stronger than people but people are smarter then cattle and horses. If people get out of their “enclosures” however, it’s only because they are smarter than those that would like to convince them there there is an enclosure they need to stay inside, ...........when in fact there is none.
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case; you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill
"None is more hopelessly enslaved then those that falsely believe they are free" Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"How fortunate for those in power that the people never think" ...............Adolph Hitler.
"To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence". ..........Friedrich Nietzsche
In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man-brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. ~Mark Twain
"the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" ..Edmond Burke
But think of how things would be right now if about 75 to 100 patriots had shown up and ALL had counter-attacked as soon as the communist had attacked. Where would BLM and ANTIFA be in their recruiting efforts this vary morning is ALL those that had been rioting were dead or crippled for life, right now.
Counter attacking gets you prison sentences.
You have a right to self-defense but you don't get to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
Rule of Law is what separates us from the savages.
John Burns, with all respect (sincerely) I need to point out some facts and truth: If you have the mindset that laws apply to you and not to them you say things like this >>>You have a right to self-defense but you don't get to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
But when you find yourself in a civil war, there are no laws. When the police chiefs and politicians give their de-facto consent to the rioting, arson and lawlessness, is it reasonable to believe a unit of 100 armed men in counter attack are going to be "arrested' when 500 to 750 people in the ACT of burning, rioting, looting, raping, vandalizing and occasionally murdering are left alone?
When I was a younger man (from 18 to late 30s) I saw up-close what the communist onslaught looks like, and who was pulling the stings. Guess what..............it's the same people now.
We have become so conditioned to not think. In wars we are told we have "rules of engagement' and the other side doesn't. Have you noticed in these kinds of wars we always loose -----------or at best keep a fight going with no chance of winning?
We need to start thinking and learning from 6000 years of history, instead of allowing the talking heads on TV to do our thinking for us. If the founders thought that way (and they were told they had to incidentally) we'd all still be British subjects.
I'd wish you a Happy 4th of July now instead of waiting unto next July,---------because if most Americans think that way, there is not going to be anything to celebrate in less then 1 year.
Livestock stays in fenced enclosures because they don't control their own minds. They could get out with very little effort but they have been convinced that they can't. People also stay in subjection because they have given up control of their own thought processes. Cattle and horses are faster and stronger than people but people are smarter then cattle and horses. If people get out of their “enclosures” however, it’s only because they are smarter than those that would like to convince them there there is an enclosure they need to stay inside, ...........when in fact there is none.
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case; you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill
"None is more hopelessly enslaved then those that falsely believe they are free" Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"How fortunate for those in power that the people never think" ...............Adolph Hitler.
"To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence". ..........Friedrich Nietzsche
In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man-brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. ~Mark Twain
"the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" ..Edmond Burke
Where did I say "do nothing" or say the Rules don't apply to the other side?
Defend yourself, family, friends, anyone even property but when you decide to attack people who are not a threat as a punishment then you become a criminal.
You are being influenced to act in a criminal manner to move public opinion in favor of the communists/socialists.
John Burns, with all respect (sincerely) I need to point out some facts and truth: If you have the mindset that laws apply to you and not to them you say things like this >>>You have a right to self-defense but you don't get to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
But when you find yourself in a civil war, there are no laws. When the police chiefs and politicians give their de-facto consent to the rioting, arson and lawlessness, is it reasonable to believe a unit of 100 armed men in counter attack are going to be "arrested' when 500 to 750 people in the ACT of burning, rioting, looting, raping, vandalizing and occasionally murdering are left alone?
When I was a younger man (from 18 to late 30s) I saw up-close what the communist onslaught looks like, and who was pulling the stings. Guess what..............it's the same people now.
We have become so conditioned to not think. In wars we are told we have "rules of engagement' and the other side doesn't. Have you noticed in these kinds of wars we always loose -----------or at best keep a fight going with no chance of winning?u
We need to start thinking and learning from 6000 years of history, instead of allowing the talking heads on TV to do our thinking for us. If the founders thought that way (and they were told they had to incidentally) we'd all still be British subjects.
I'd wish you a Happy 4th of July now instead of waiting unto next July,---------because if most Americans think that way, there is not going to be anything to celebrate in less then 1 year.
Livestock stays in fenced enclosures because they don't control their own minds. They could get out with very little effort but they have been convinced that they can't. People also stay in subjection because they have given up control of their own thought processes. Cattle and horses are faster and stronger than people but people are smarter then cattle and horses. If people get out of their “enclosures” however, it’s only because they are smarter than those that would like to convince them that there is an enclosure they need to stay inside, ...........when in fact there is none.
"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case; you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill
"None is more hopelessly enslaved then those that falsely believe they are free" Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"How fortunate for those in power that the people never think" ...............Adolph Hitler.
"To predict the behavior of ordinary people in advance, you only have to assume that they will always try to escape a disagreeable situation with the smallest possible expenditure of intelligence". ..........Friedrich Nietzsche
In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man-brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him for then it costs nothing to be a patriot. ~Mark Twain
"the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" ..Edmond Burke
But think of how things would be right now if about 75 to 100 patriots had shown up and ALL had counter-attacked as soon as the communist had attacked. Where would BLM and ANTIFA be in their recruiting efforts this vary morning is ALL those that had been rioting were dead or crippled for life, right now.
Counter attacking gets you prison sentences.
You have a right to self-defense but you don't get to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
Rule of Law is what separates us from the savages.
That's the flawed thought process that led Cornwallis to Yorktown.
No fight is won of the defense. When this goes hot do not retreat. Attack. If you don't you may not loose today but you will soon enough Attacking makes the enemy run, and you CAN'T allow them to get away for long, or they will be back. When it goes hot all over (and it will) remember what you read here. 100 patriots with Ruger #1s would do fine if they have courage, but 5000 with full-auto ARs or AKs that want to "defend" will loose. It's only a matter of time. Defend against the communists and they simply flee and come back later, or in some other place. Attack and they don't come back at all.
Mark my words, the guy that was only wounded will be back doing what he can to destroy our republic ------but the 2 dead ones WILL NOT!
That one kid is the talk of the nation. He is no coward. He deserves to be honored. But think of how things would be right now if about 75 to 100 patriots had shown up and ALL had counter-attacked as soon as the communist had attacked. Where would BLM and ANTIFA be in their recruiting efforts this vary morning is ALL those that had been rioting were dead or crippled for life, right now.
Initiative and momentum are ALWAYS on the side that attacks and keeps their attack going. They are the ones that win.
Remember that, because the time IS coming--------- for sure and for certain.
Nobody ever defended anything successfully, there is only attack and attack and attack some more.
George S. Patton
Really?
Fantastic movie. You couldn't make that today beause it would be considered "raciss."
You have a right to self-defense but you don't get to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner.
Rule of Law is what separates us from the savages.
That's the flawed thought process that led Cornwallis to Yorktown.
Was that a bad thing?
I'm pretty happy the British lost that battle.
I don't have a revolution to quash and prefer not to spend any time in prison so I'm going to pass on shooting Americans that don't pose an immediate threat.
I got my DD offset mount, wondering what reflex/rds to put on it. Looking at Sig romeo 1 or 5, but the 1 has a bigger dot. Have not looked to see if they offer a 4 or 3 MOA vs 6 yet. The 5 has a 2 moa.
Zero tomorrow and have middle daughter run a few mags through it. Cheap backup rig.
Stag/DPMS rig is heavier, zeroed, runs like a champ. Leaving it iron sighted. Had it a while. Call it the ex wife........because I don't care about it, throw it on the Jeep floor etc.........just don't care LOL
Colt 6920 with a SWFA 1x4. I need to add a free float front hand guard and a better trigger. I have another older 6920, it has a big pin lower with that restricted rollmark, with a red dot and a knights armament hand guard. I also have another restricted rollmarked 6920 that has is a mill spec pin lower but it is unfired.
I haven't played with this enough to really be 100% confident in it, but so far I'm liking it. It's been with me 4-5 times fishing in big bear country, a couple times in the pouring rain, with dirt, grime and leaves from the tag alders all over it and so far it has functioned fine. I doubt I'd have issues with it on the streets of Kenosha.
This is NOT a cheap Norinco copy WWI trench gun.
With a mob full of folks to deal with I can certainly see the advantage of an AR with 30 round mags, but since I have no plans of being on the offense if dealing with the riots, this would suit me just fine. If that changes, then something with more range and rounds would most certainly be in order.
I haven't played with this enough to really be 100% confident in it, but so far I'm liking it. It's been with me 4-5 times fishing in big bear country, a couple times in the pouring rain, with dirt, grime and leaves from the tag alders all over it and so far it has functioned fine. I doubt I'd have issues with it on the streets of Kenosha.
This is NOT a cheap Norinco copy WWI trench gun.
With a mob full of folks to deal with I can certainly see the advantage of an AR with 30 round mags, but since I have no plans of being on the offense if dealing with the riots, this would suit me just fine. If that changes, then something with more range and rounds would most certainly be in order.
A much better shotgun Browning designed just 8 years later. The Auto-5.
I've owned 2 Browning Auto 5s. A 12 and a 16. Both jammed relatively often, even with heavy loads. The only semi-auto shotgun I have faith in is the Beneli M1 (or maybe it was the M4...I am questioning myself on that now) but even that jammed on me on occasion.
So it appears a 17 yr old using a borrowed rifle stopped the riots in Kenosha WI.
Much speculation has followed concerning citizens with rifles vs mobs.
As most on this forum are quite a bit older and obviously much better citizens I figured we should show the exact rifle we would show up with when the mob was at the wall and being a good citizen required an armed response to save the country.
I'm working on an 8.5" 300BO pistol. Just need to get the brace and its done. It'll sport a sig Romeo 5 and be loaded with 110g vmaxes over pp300mp. The vmax is less likely to overpenetrate and they work quite well on rabbits and other varmints from the blackout. Should be a somewhat compact and effective truck gun.
I don't think we'll have many riots here in eastern Idaho but you never know when you'll find a bunch of jackrabbits.
Ruger 22/45 with a can, subsonic ammo and no optics. Aim for the gut.
I do believe that’s the way it’s done in Israel.
It'd be a shame for me to try to reinvent the wheel...
It will work without the silencer.
I don't think my Raven will accommodate one.
(Just for Mr Brown, I think I had that one in my boot when the canoe swamped. Damn shame about my Hi Points though)
Get rid of that Raven and get a Jennings 22LR. 25 a.c.p. is too expensive and hard to find.
Just friendly sage advice from a friendly friend.
Thank,
but those Jennings are so hard to find out here. What with all the cowboys and farmers buying them up, the prices have risen substantially too. I think there's a guy that bootlegs them in from over the NV border. Probably picks them up in North Las Vegas.
I like me some 870 or 500 Mossy with a heavy load of birdshot to the belly. I figure at least the beginning will be close so a belly full probably would convince one to quit. I’m too old to fight, too fat to run, so I gotta just shoot em.
So, there’s something near 375 million firearms privately owned in the US. What’s your guess on the amount of ammo? Do YOU have enough? Would you donate some to your neighbor that was asleep at the switch?
So, there’s something near 375 million firearms privately owned in the US. What’s your guess on the amount of ammo? Do YOU have enough? Would you donate some to your neighbor that was asleep at the switch?
One of my closest neighbors is Niel.
Niel stocked up so much in the last shortage that even I joking refer to his big house as "Fort Niel".
I have lots of bullets but I reckon my very few neighbors won't be needing resupply.
Ruger 22/45 with a can, subsonic ammo and no optics. Aim for the gut.
I do believe that’s the way it’s done in Israel.
It'd be a shame for me to try to reinvent the wheel...
It will work without the silencer.
I don't think my Raven will accommodate one.
(Just for Mr Brown, I think I had that one in my boot when the canoe swamped. Damn shame about my Hi Points though)
Get rid of that Raven and get a Jennings 22LR. 25 a.c.p. is too expensive and hard to find.
Just friendly sage advice from a friendly friend.
Thank,
but those Jennings are so hard to find out here. What with all the cowboys and farmers buying them up, the prices have risen substantially too. I think there's a guy that bootlegs them in from over the NV border. Probably picks them up in North Las Vegas.
Colt 6920 with a SWFA 1x4. I need to add a free float front hand guard and a better trigger. I have another older 6920, it has a big pin lower with that restricted rollmark, with a red dot and a knights armament hand guard. I also have another restricted rollmarked 6920 that has is a mill spec pin lower but it is unfired.
1911a1, I also have a couple big pin LEO6920's. I picked up 2 big pin SSA-E's for them when they came up on sale over a couple holidays.
Suggest you get your trigger soon. The big pin ones are getting harder to find.
Cartridge - ARP 20" Barrel 6mm Predator (Grendel) Action - San Tan Billet receiver set Optic - SS 10X MQ Sling - No sling yet Light - No Suppressor - No Ammo - Handloads 108gr ELD-M, Lapua Brass
Colt 6920 with a SWFA 1x4. I need to add a free float front hand guard and a better trigger. I have another older 6920, it has a big pin lower with that restricted rollmark, with a red dot and a knights armament hand guard. I also have another restricted rollmarked 6920 that has is a mill spec pin lower but it is unfired.
1911a1, I also have a couple big pin LEO6920's. I picked up 2 big pin SSA-E's for them when they came up on sale over a couple holidays.
Suggest you get your trigger soon. The big pin ones are getting harder to find.
I have an unfired 6920 rat-holed, too.
Be well.
Thanks for the reminder. I need to get a couple spare bolts, extractors,firing pins and few other small parts in case of a rainy day.
I am prepared..... so far things are pretty cool a long way around where I live and venture.
I don't have and never took a pic of my WSHF 'preparedness'. I have multiple h c mags plus 100s of rounds ammo. I'll think about getting it out and taking a pic ? ? ? not sure I want to publicize it.
Cartridge - ARP 20" Barrel 6mm Predator (Grendel) Action - San Tan Billet receiver set Optic - SS 10X MQ Sling - No sling yet Light - No Suppressor - No Ammo - Handloads 108gr ELD-M, Lapua Brass
Cartridge - ARP 20" Barrel 6mm Predator (Grendel) Action - San Tan Billet receiver set Optic - SS 10X MQ Sling - No sling yet Light - No Suppressor - No Ammo - Handloads 108gr ELD-M, Lapua Brass
smokinggun, Nice fly swatter you got there.
Thank you sir! It's my first build and I hope I get to at least sight it in before the next Civil War breaks out!
I also had an unfortunate episode with a canoe. Now, I plan to merely dial 911 and request a Social Worker, that should be much more civiilized and humane.
Cartridge - ARP 20" Barrel 6mm Predator (Grendel) Action - San Tan Billet receiver set Optic - SS 10X MQ Sling - No sling yet Light - No Suppressor - No Ammo - Handloads 108gr ELD-M, Lapua Brass
smokinggun, Nice fly swatter you got there.
Thank you sir! It's my first build and I hope I get to at least sight it in before the next Civil War breaks out!
Glad to see you have one
Your AO seems to have the habit of kickin things off.
I also had an unfortunate episode with a canoe. Now, I plan to merely dial 911 and request a Social Worker, that should be much more civiilized and humane.
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