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Posted By: deltakid Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
The third "protester", the one that was only wounded. What I see is that he had a record, but were any of his felonies. The reason I want to know, is when are the feds going to arrest him for being a felon in possession of a firearm, if he had a felony conviction. I can only hold my breath for so long.
Posted By: slumlord Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
I read yes

But who knows

Half the stuff I read, people are mixing up sex offenders, shooters, protestors, medics, LARPS, etc
Posted By: viking Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
That one pic I saw on the Fire showed that punk still holding his pistol after being shot in the arm. Hopefully....
Posted By: cv540 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Unsure if he is a felon.

Unsure if they recovered the firearm. Videos are fine but without having the firearm it can be hard to prove it wasnt a replica.

To prosecute federally you have to show it traveled across state lines, so without knowing specifics of the firearm you cant prove it was made in another state. Looks like a Glock but they are made in different locations.

AND you have to have a DA or US Attorney willing to prosecute it. Cant see the DA want to prosecute their star "victim."
Felony burglary and probation violations per the web. He was airlifted to Milwaukee where I believe he's still in the hospital. He resides in West Allis a suburb of Milwaukee.

Sure looked like a Glock sub-compact. He's a poor gunfighter and now he's going to have to draw with his weak hand. So sad. Lol.
Posted By: rockinbbar Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Originally Posted by cv540
Unsure if he is a felon.

Unsure if they recovered the firearm. Videos are fine but without having the firearm it can be hard to prove it wasnt a replica.


Replica... BB Gun... Wooden gun... Real Gun.

Makes no difference in the eyes of the law.

Fake gun will get you shot just as fast as a real one. (As he found out)
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
I found this:
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Gaige Grosskreutz has a criminal record a mile long. He’s a convicted felon, multiple violent offenses & not allowed to posses a weapon yet had a firearm pointed at Kyle Rittenhouse when he was shot in the arm.

I don't know how reliable this source is: ARREST RECORD
Posted By: gunswizard Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Real gun or fake, from now on he's known as "Lefty". Who knows perhaps he learned his lesson going after a guy with an AR when armed with a handgun = bad idea.
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Originally Posted by cv540
Unsure if he is a felon.

Unsure if they recovered the firearm. Videos are fine but without having the firearm it can be hard to prove it wasnt a replica.

To prosecute federally you have to show it traveled across state lines, so without knowing specifics of the firearm you cant prove it was made in another state. Looks like a Glock but they are made in different locations.

AND you have to have a DA or US Attorney willing to prosecute it. Cant see the DA want to prosecute their star "victim."

Nnnnno.
Interstate commerce . Has nothing to do with state of manufacture. Everything falls under Federal Interstate Commerce regulations , everything.
Posted By: deltakid Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
But would interstate travel have anything to do with, if he is a felon, that he was in possession of a firearm, which is another felony.
Posted By: Squidge Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
I found this:
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Gaige Grosskreutz has a criminal record a mile long. He’s a convicted felon, multiple violent offenses & not allowed to posses a weapon yet had a firearm pointed at Kyle Rittenhouse when he was shot in the arm.

I don't know how reliable this source is: ARREST RECORD


I would look for a more reliable source given where the link at the bottom of the page goes.
Posted By: Sako76 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Interstate travel of the gun has nothing to do with the charge!
Posted By: Anaconda Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
The media keeps reporting that Rittenhouse “tripped’ and fell down.
After watching the video, it looks like skateboard thug runs up behind him and pushes/trips him, he stumbles forward a few more steps and then falls.
Does anybody else see it like that ?
Originally Posted by gunswizard
Real gun or fake, from now on he's known as "Lefty". Who knows perhaps he learned his lesson going after a guy with an AR when armed with a handgun = bad idea.


Is a private citizen felon ever authorized to deprive a law abiding citizen of his second amendment rights?
Posted By: Marshhawk Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
WI CCAP which is the State of Wisconsin Circuit Court Access has this scumbag as being under the influence in possession of a firearm back in 2016. He has acouple other things like driving while suspended but no felonies that I can see.The LONG arm of the law probably hasn't caught up to him yet:)
Posted By: rockinbbar Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Originally Posted by Marshhawk
WI CCAP which is the State of Wisconsin Circuit Court Access has this scumbag as being under the influence in possession of a firearm back in 2016. He has acouple other things like driving while suspended but no felonies that I can see.The LONG arm of the law probably hasn't caught up to him yet:)



If not before, he instantly committed a felony when he brought the pistol to bear on someone that wasn't attacking him, and posed no threat to him.
Posted By: mikieb Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20



If not before, he instantly committed a felony when he brought the pistol to bear on someone that wasn't attacking him, and posed no threat to him.[/quote]


This ^^^^^^^ why hasn't he been charged yet ? I see it clear... that is a crime in it's self that needs to be looked into.......
Posted By: cv540 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Pointing and aiming a firearm in Wisconsin is a misdeameanor, ESBUOADW, Endangering Safety By Use Of A Dangerous Weapon. That same statute covers Possession of a firearm intoxicated, also a misdeameanor.

See 941.20

To charge a felon in possession of a firearm, you need the firearm, in either state or federal court.

In federal court you have to prove the firearm or ammunition traveled across state lines, that is the Interstate commerce nexus.
Posted By: ringworm Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/30/20
Carrying a handgun without a permit.
Pointing and presenting.
Assault.
Posted By: joken2 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20

Scroll down near the bottom of the page at this link for the known (at this point) criminal records of the three:

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/
Posted By: Rock Chuck Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by joken2

Scroll down near the bottom of the page at this link for the known (at this point) criminal records of the three:

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/






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Posted By: JakeBlues Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
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KENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — Scores of police supporters gathered Sunday in downtown Kenosha where protesters have been demonstrating against police brutality since the shooting of Jacob Blake last weekend.

Some attending the rally in the Wisconsin city wore “back the blue” shirts. Others carried American flags. They applauded when law enforcement vehicles rolled by.
Posted By: joken2 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20

Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Originally Posted by joken2

Scroll down near the bottom of the page at this link for the known (at this point) criminal records of the three:

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/






site not found



Trying it again: https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting/

If that still doesn't work scroll down here and on the right there's this headline for the same story --- click on it: https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/

" Why We’ve Decided to Tell You the Criminal Records of the Men Shot in Kenosha
August 28, 2020 22 comments
We’ve decided to tell you the criminal histories of the three men who were shot in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Here’s why. We think the public is entitled to know all of the context to properly understand what unfolded that night. "
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by cv540
Pointing and aiming a firearm in Wisconsin is a misdeameanor, ESBUOADW, Endangering Safety By Use Of A Dangerous Weapon. That same statute covers Possession of a firearm intoxicated, also a misdeameanor.

See 941.20

To charge a felon in possession of a firearm, you need the firearm, in either state or federal court.

In federal court you have to prove the firearm or ammunition traveled across state lines, that is the Interstate commerce nexus.


Got any court cases and legal precedence to back this up.
Interstate travel doesn't matter. A felon with a firearm is committing a federal felony.
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
Interstate travel doesn't matter. A felon with a firearm is committing a federal felony.

Exactly.
Posted By: cv540 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by cv540
Pointing and aiming a firearm in Wisconsin is a misdeameanor, ESBUOADW, Endangering Safety By Use Of A Dangerous Weapon. That same statute covers Possession of a firearm intoxicated, also a misdeameanor.

See 941.20

To charge a felon in possession of a firearm, you need the firearm, in either state or federal court.

In federal court you have to prove the firearm or ammunition traveled across state lines, that is the Interstate commerce nexus.


Got any court cases and legal precedence to back this up.


Scarborough v. United States – Case Brief Summary (Supreme Court) | Lawpipe
https://www.lawpipe.com/U.S.-Supreme-Court/Scarborough_v_United_States.html
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by cv540
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by cv540
Pointing and aiming a firearm in Wisconsin is a misdeameanor, ESBUOADW, Endangering Safety By Use Of A Dangerous Weapon. That same statute covers Possession of a firearm intoxicated, also a misdeameanor.

See 941.20

To charge a felon in possession of a firearm, you need the firearm, in either state or federal court.

In federal court you have to prove the firearm or ammunition traveled across state lines, that is the Interstate commerce nexus.


Got any court cases and legal precedence to back this up.


Scarborough v. United States – Case Brief Summary (Supreme Court) | Lawpipe
https://www.lawpipe.com/U.S.-Supreme-Court/Scarborough_v_United_States.html

I’m not seeing where the court ruled that the government must prove that the firearm crossed state lines.
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/17/17-3034.pdf

This is a tale of two laws: the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C.
§§ 5801–5872, which requires the registration of statutorily defined firearms, and Kansas’s Second Amendment Protection Act (SAPA), ch. 100, 2013 Kan. Sess. Laws vol. 1 500–03 (codified at Kan. Stat. Ann. §§ 50-1201 to -1211 (2014)), which purports to exempt any personal firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured, owned, and remaining within Kansas’s borders from “any federal
law, . . . including any federal firearm or ammunition registration program, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce.” Kan. Stat. Ann. § 50-1204(a). In 2014, these two laws intersected when the government prosecuted two Kansas men, Shane Cox and Jeremy Kettler, for violating the NFA by manufacturing (in Kansas), transferring (in Kansas), and possessing (in Kansas) several unregistered firearms. A jury found them guilty of most (though not all) of the charges.
Posted By: 12344mag Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Like I said earlier, I think the only problem Kyle has to overcome is the fact that he's 17 and open carry age in Wisconsin is 18.
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by cv540
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by cv540
Pointing and aiming a firearm in Wisconsin is a misdeameanor, ESBUOADW, Endangering Safety By Use Of A Dangerous Weapon. That same statute covers Possession of a firearm intoxicated, also a misdeameanor.

See 941.20

To charge a felon in possession of a firearm, you need the firearm, in either state or federal court.

In federal court you have to prove the firearm or ammunition traveled across state lines, that is the Interstate commerce nexus.


Got any court cases and legal precedence to back this up.


Scarborough v. United States – Case Brief Summary (Supreme Court) | Lawpipe
https://www.lawpipe.com/U.S.-Supreme-Court/Scarborough_v_United_States.html



Gonzales v. Raich

The SC ruled that a product does not have to cross state lines to fall under jurisdiction of the Interstate Commerse Clause of the Constitution.
Posted By: Huntz Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by ringworm
Carrying a handgun without a permit.
Pointing and presenting.
Assault.

Open carry is law in Wi.
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by Huntz
Originally Posted by ringworm
Carrying a handgun without a permit.
Pointing and presenting.
Assault.

Open carry is law in Wi.

If you are 18 or older.
The attacker is a convicted felon and should be charged. He made the statement that his only regret was not killing the kid. That demonstrates he had the means to do so, which was the pistol. Any one of us would be charged and probably held with no bail were it some snowflake we'd ran up on with a gun. When I say "us", I don't mean phags like Paddler or Jim from TN. I mean decent members, not cock munching eunuchs.
Posted By: cv540 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by cv540
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by cv540
Pointing and aiming a firearm in Wisconsin is a misdeameanor, ESBUOADW, Endangering Safety By Use Of A Dangerous Weapon. That same statute covers Possession of a firearm intoxicated, also a misdeameanor.

See 941.20

To charge a felon in possession of a firearm, you need the firearm, in either state or federal court.

In federal court you have to prove the firearm or ammunition traveled across state lines, that is the Interstate commerce nexus.


Got any court cases and legal precedence to back this up.


Scarborough v. United States – Case Brief Summary (Supreme Court) | Lawpipe
https://www.lawpipe.com/U.S.-Supreme-Court/Scarborough_v_United_States.html



Gonzales v. Raich

The SC ruled that a product does not have to cross state lines to fall under jurisdiction of the Interstate Commerse Clause of the Constitution.


That is a weed case. No idea what the elements of that specific crime were, or what the jury instructions are.

I referred to the element in and the jury instructions for 922g Felon in Possession of a Firearm
"The firearm or ammunition had been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce before the defendant received it."

Every case I was involved in (original state cases that were prosecuted federally) this element was proven by having an expert witness research the firearm or ammunition to prove that it was manufactured in state A and recovered in state B, thus they could conclude it was shipped or transported across state lines (interstate commerce.) The defendant doesnt have to move it across state lines, but at some point the government has to prove that it did as an element of their case.

In the end, nobody but the two of us care.
Posted By: steve4102 Re: Question about Kenosha - 08/31/20
Originally Posted by cv540
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by cv540
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by cv540
Pointing and aiming a firearm in Wisconsin is a misdeameanor, ESBUOADW, Endangering Safety By Use Of A Dangerous Weapon. That same statute covers Possession of a firearm intoxicated, also a misdeameanor.

See 941.20

To charge a felon in possession of a firearm, you need the firearm, in either state or federal court.

In federal court you have to prove the firearm or ammunition traveled across state lines, that is the Interstate commerce nexus.


Got any court cases and legal precedence to back this up.


Scarborough v. United States – Case Brief Summary (Supreme Court) | Lawpipe
https://www.lawpipe.com/U.S.-Supreme-Court/Scarborough_v_United_States.html



Gonzales v. Raich

The SC ruled that a product does not have to cross state lines to fall under jurisdiction of the Interstate Commerse Clause of the Constitution.


That is a weed case. No idea what the elements of that specific crime were, or what the jury instructions are.

I referred to the element in and the jury instructions for 922g Felon in Possession of a Firearm
"The firearm or ammunition had been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce before the defendant received it."

Every case I was involved in (original state cases that were prosecuted federally) this element was proven by having an expert witness research the firearm or ammunition to prove that it was manufactured in state A and recovered in state B, thus they could conclude it was shipped or transported across state lines (interstate commerce.) The defendant doesnt have to move it across state lines, but at some point the government has to prove that it did as an element of their case.

In the end, nobody but the two of us care.




Nope.
Posted By: ringworm Re: Question about Kenosha - 09/01/20
Originally Posted by steve4102
Originally Posted by Huntz
Originally Posted by ringworm
Carrying a handgun without a permit.
Pointing and presenting.
Assault.

Open carry is law in Wi.

If you are 18 or older.


I was referring to Thug 1;3... I think #2 AKA Porn King...
Open carry, I think, does not mean carrying in your hand down the street.
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