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Posted By: wabigoon "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
A neighbor had a Wolf, German shepherd cross back the years. That dog was a chicken killer, otherwise not a bad dog at all.

The neighbor found a couple others after "Wolfie" died, but those were prone to seizures.

He doctored them with pills of some sort, but with little success.

Any of you folks ever had a wolf/dog cross?
Posted By: hatari Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
Vikings figured out the wolf/dog thing 5000 years ago.

https://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/norwegian-elkhound#/slide/1
Posted By: MadMooner Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
Known a few. All were suitable bullet stops unless you had something that just HAD to be bit.

Ranks with a chow for worthless.
Posted By: Ranger99 Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
Haven't had a hybrid myself.
Just the purebred g shepherd's

Good friend had a hybrid.
Black as the inside of a closet
in hades.
Pretty good dog for the first year.
Turned into a lunatic after that.
One time on a visit I asked about
the dog and was told the dog " went
away "

I'm sure they didn't pay a bounty back
in the day just for grins
Posted By: BillyGoatGruff Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
Might make a good rug. Or ballistics test medium.

At least that makes them more useful than pits. They don’t have enough hair to make it worth skinning them
Posted By: Dillonbuck Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
Wolves have been bred for centuries to bring out certain qualities.


The ones we love, have been bred to run, smell, herd, guard, sit in your lap,
love you, enjoy serving you.

Wolves have been bred to hunt, kill, and survive in the wild.

You don't buy a weiner dog to run races, a blood hound to protect sheep,
or a pointer to hunt coon.

Why in the hell would mix wolf into your family pet?
Especially when the other half is a dog that has been bred to
guard and protect.


And I'm not bashing GSD's. At all.
But they aren't bred to be 100% lapdog.
So whatever the wolf throws in there, is received into a mix
of already somewhat higher aggression.


Kinda like you are making chilli.
You have just the right chili's in there.
It's got just a bit of bite, but the whole family will like it.

You gonna let some Jamacan dude just throw a double hand full
of little peppers in the pot?

Except, you ain't paying $2k for the chilli.
It's not a big deal to do plan B for supper.
And a glass of milk will fix the pepper problem.

Not the same as a big, nasty dog.
Posted By: Dillonbuck Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
If you want a dog th at is a conversation piece,
consider a Shiloh Sheppard.

Unless you want a guard dog.

A local had one for years.
It rode on the toolbox in his pickup, everywhere.
Never, ever did anything wrong, never left the truck,
or showed aggression beyond being HUGE. Enhanced by
always being seen standing on a 5 foot high platform.

My then 5 year old daughter almost peed her pants when we were
walking beside "Diesel's" truck, and she looked up at him!
Posted By: Gus Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
have had a pack of sibes & half-sibes. and a native american dog.

can't say i ever owned a wolf though.

animal control was tough.

they loved me.
Posted By: Azshooter Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
I caught a show on Nat Geo called America the Wild with Casey Anderson. He was interested in some huge wolves found in Tofino that might not be pure wolf. As part of the show he visited a facility in NM where both pure wolves and wolf dog hybrids were kept in a special facility.

At the New Mexico facility, Casey is able to observe differences between purebred wolves, hybrid wolves and the broad spectrum of wolf-dogs that fall somewhere in-between. It was very interesting. The owner of the facility explained the difference in behaviors the various animals. The hybrid is nothing I would want to own based on what I observed on this show!

Perhaps a few of you saw this show?

Unfortunately it cannot be viewed unless you buy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONyTh9mPCzo

Casey Anderson scours Canada's wild West Coast for clues to reveal who or what is terrorizing Vancouver Island: are these wolves, monsters, or a little of both?
Provider
Fox

Show
America the Wild
Season
S1
Episode
E1
Release date
8/18/13
Running time
44:49
Documentary
Posted By: Kellywk Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
We had a wolf german shepherd cross when I was a kid. Good dog but very territorial. I was probably about 5 or 6 and mom tried to spank me when we were out in the yard and it turned on her, she barely made it back inside the door before it got her.
Posted By: TheLastLemming76 Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
I have no experience with them but heard someone say something along the lines of man spent a few thousand years breeding the wolf out of dogs why would you want to put the wolf back in. Tough to argue with that logic.

I remember as a preteen kid always seeing an ad in the classifieds of Outdoor Life magazine for “McKenzie Valley” wolf/dog hybrids and wanting one as a kid. My parents had other ideas.
Posted By: NDsnowman Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
A former roommate of mine used to have one. Great dog and he and my female GSP got along great, but he would let her kick his ass when she felt he was out of line. The only thing that I saw negative out of that dog was that if there was a deer within a half a mile of him, he would run it down and kill it. It only happened twice that I was aware of before we caught on and kept him out of any place that had deer. But wow, when that switch flipped, he became someone else.
Posted By: Gus Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
possibly some of the most difficult dogs to deal with might be malamute-german shepherd crosses in the dominant male category.

i don't know that, just read it somewhere. a northern dog crossed with a european dog don't always turn out good.

wolf dogs if socialized as pups are probably quite suitable if the correct owner is involved.
Posted By: Tansun Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
A good friend has a Shiloh Shepard, the dog is a huge baby. Great dog, great with small or big kids. I can not think of a bad thing to say about the dog. Friend says one of the smartest dogs he has even owned.

My ex-b.i.l. had a hybrid wolf/dog. I couldn’t say one good thing about it, but then that issues might be more the owners fault then the dogs fault.
Posted By: sse Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20

this guy probably has one

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Posted By: Texson2 Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
On one hunt in Russia the guide came out of the tent with helluva nice looking fur vest on. I asked what animal it was. He didn’t speak much a English and I spoke less Russian. He replied in a heavy accent “Hooski”. I asked again and he again replied “Hooski”. He didn’t have much patience and finally yelled “Dog”. Damn nice vest. Wish I had one.
They don’t waist much. After killing a brown bear they ate it guts and all. I declined.
Posted By: Dave_Skinner Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
Wolves pack, and pecking order is huge. They are smart enough to "get" pecking order, but it has to be done deliberately from the very start by someone with a clue.

Girlfriend of my roommate had a female full-bred. Well trained, but very aloof for a period of time. After about three years, "Shay" would give me a slow greeting wag, a nuzzle and come immediately when called, but definitely not a dog.
Posted By: ironbender Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/11/20
Originally Posted by Gus
have had a pack of sibes & half-sibes. and a native american dog.

can't say i ever owned a wolf though.

animal control was tough.

they loved me.

Do you have a pic of the sibe? Never heard of that one.
Posted By: Gus Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Gus
have had a pack of sibes & half-sibes. and a native american dog.

can't say i ever owned a wolf though.

animal control was tough.

they loved me.

Do you have a pic of the sibe? Never heard of that one.


his name was gus. blue-eyed redhaired, and could speak in 17 different dialects. he was also a wooly variant. that's why i had him, noone else wanted him.

sibe in my usage is short for siberian husky --- blue eyed wolves according to some.

the half sibes were crossed with anything and everything here locally in ne georgia.

they were all lovers not fighters. but would kill neighborhood chickens, etc.
Posted By: Happy_Camper Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
I met a friendly one that looked weirdly huge.
The male was a Siberian mix. The body looked bigger than any mastiff. The head was strangely unproportional, much too large for the body.
Hind legs against the fence he was taller than me .


Glad that the teeth I saw were smiling.....
"Nice doggy.".
Posted By: 1911a1 Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
I was given a grown 7/8 wolf dog. It had a curl tail so it must have been a husky type dog it was crossed with. It was a female. It was kept in a pen with a chain on it to keep it from getting away. I had to do the same thing. It was starved for attention and was difficult to control when I went to see or feed her. It would have been impossible to keep in the house. when this dog shed in the spring I have never seen that much hair come from an animal in my life.

Still once she settled down she was a sweet dog. I'm over 5"11" and she could put her paws on my chest and was as tall as me.

She could dig a hole big enough to bury a VW beetle in.

She finally broke the chain for about the third time and I never saw her again.

If she would have been raised right from a pup and not left alone all the time she might have made a good pet.
Posted By: ironbender Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
Originally Posted by Gus
Originally Posted by ironbender
Originally Posted by Gus
have had a pack of sibes & half-sibes. and a native american dog.

can't say i ever owned a wolf though.

animal control was tough.

they loved me.

Do you have a pic of the sibe? Never heard of that one.


his name was gus. blue-eyed redhaired, and could speak in 17 different dialects. he was also a wooly variant. that's why i had him, noone else wanted him.

sibe in my usage is short for siberian husky --- blue eyed wolves according to some.

the half sibes were crossed with anything and everything here locally in ne georgia.

they were all lovers not fighters. but would kill neighborhood chickens, etc.

Gotcha. Had and bred Siberian’s at one time.
Posted By: ironbender Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
This guy owned, used, and bred, woofs and crosses.

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Crosses are too wild to be pets. There are examples of “good” ones, but I wouldn’t trust one to be a pet. Frank had to beat and occasionally knock out an animal to maintain being the alpha. Also, rabies vaccine has a low efficacy in hybrids.

Basically, it’s a “boutique mutt”.
Posted By: Pappy348 Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
Had one back in the early 70s. Gentle as a lamb around my old grandmother, but pretty rough and tumble with able-bodied folks. Not a mean bone in his body though. Strong as an ox.

Ran into a beauty of a wolf-malemute cross a couple of years ago. This one was also very gentle and calm. Just gorgeous. I'd rather have one of the crosses than some of the purpose-bred fighters that you see people walking around with, but I prefer wolfy breeds anyway, like this guy:



Dawang means "Monster"
Posted By: RGRJN Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
Had one once for few years...... Shepard crossed with a McKenzie Valley........ Pretty cool dog , but I didn't work with her enough as I should have. It was a hoot to watch her chase field mice in the pasture out front and she would bring them all home to share. Went to the breeders before we picked her up ...... Sire was one of the biggest damn dogs/wolf I had ever seen. Wev'e all seen great danes, but to have wolf standing there on all 4's staring you damn near eye to eye is a little unnerving.... I'm 6-3. Speaking of packs.....he wanted nothing to do with me, we just head a stare off.The owner,my Wife and kids, he let them pet him, licked them etc(through a fence, they got there before I did, or that [bleep] wouldn't have happened....Me nothing but a stare off.
Posted By: Johnny Dollar Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
Had a gal work for us who’s husband owned a 7/8th wolfXshepherd. They lived on a farm just down the road from us. The dog got loose one day and got into a pasture where a guy had some purebred goats which were being used to clean out leafy spurge. It didn’t end well for either the goats or the wolf hybrid.
Posted By: g5m Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
I had a husky, malemute, wolf mix years ago. Great dog. Never a biter. He did like the ladies.
Posted By: atse Re: "Wolfdogs"? - 09/12/20
Originally Posted by BillyGoatGruff
Might make a good rug. Or ballistics test medium.

At least that makes them more useful than pits. They don’t have enough hair to make it worth skinning them

+1 wolf / dogs are on the same level as pits. Kill em on sight. Had one a few years ago chasing my kids bum lambs on the other side of the fence. He lived about 10 seconds past that. They can never be trusted, especially with kids.
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