Report I heard form Dick Morris. Since March, more than 1 million people have left California, most having incomes in excess of $100k/year.

That is a yuge portion of the state and local tax base. They are reported to be settling in TX, AZ, and NV in large numbers.

Will they remember why they left? Not everybody in Cali is Leftist. Could they be the a majority of the 35% of the state's conservatives getting the hell out Dodge?

Hate to think they are ALL Dems polluting other states. Good news, their kids will become Texans!

I hope they don't come to Tennessee .

They leave, and try to change their new home to what they left, then bitch when they get it.




P

Whew, for awhile I thought you said Montana!

I think a bunch moved here, but most leave by spring. We already had a week of snow and below zero temps. Those stupid bastids have no clue what's in store.

If they are liberals, they will not be welcome here. And I will be sure to let them know that.

Check Illinois that is where we need our fence, and most of the Californicators settle in Nashville...

Might be able to rehabilitate people from downstate Illinois. Hunt, fish, farm, go to church. Problem is they've been Democrat for 5 generations. Land of Lincoln. Go figure?

As long as it's the Midland / Odessa area we're good. It's um, nice out there virtually any time of year. Or so I hear.

We have the same problem with New York and Connecticut. The Lehigh Valley is basically the new southern suburb of NYC. And no they aren't conservatives...

You cannot be talking about southern, IL. My Dad was from there and I'm telling you, they are not liberal. They are the farthest thing from that. It is basically Northern Kentucky. They are just outnumbered by the fools in Chicago.

I am fully aware it is de rigueur on this forum to bash Californians but a friendly reminder; 39 million Californians voted for Trump in 2016.

That is more people than many of your entire home states population.

Carry on my wayward son.

My wife and I are one of those million who left CA for the greener (or whiter, if you prefer...I love snow and cold weather) pastures of Montana. Granted, we started our move about 3 years ago, but we finally made the move permanent this spring.

I totally understand why some are not happy to see Californians moving in and I share those concerns. We left CA because it had become an oppressive, tyrannical and unAmerican state. The last thing we want is for our new home to go down that same path and we vote accordingly in MT. I'm very worried as I see so many CA plates in town, but my theory was that at least for Bozeman, the influx of folks from CA, CO, WA and OR are more like us than the liberals who seem to dominate this city.

So I took a ride over to where all the new development is, west of downtown, to see if I could glean anything from yard signs.

In my part of town, there are three houses with Trump/Daines/Gianforte/Rosendale yard signs...mine, the neighbor across the street and a guy a few blocks over. Everyone else has straight (D) ticket signs. My suspicion was that the majority of newcomers from out of state would be far less liberal, and perhaps even conservative, due to the fact that they are escaping liberalism, riots, BLM crap, high taxes, over-regulation, etc.. I was very happy to see that (R) candidate signs predominated the new developments.

Whether this entirely unscientific study reflects reality is to be seen, but I am hopeful.

I think he's referring to the same phenomenon that plagues many West Virginia voters. They work the coal mines, own guns, hunt, fish, many attend church, and generally want left alone... and vote Democrat. Why? Usually, because... "the Democrat's for the working man! Pappy and Daddy voted Democrat, and by golly that's good enough for me!" It's some sort of weird generational thing. That and many of the unions STILL push for Democrat votes. Don't ask me why.

You and your wife are the American born version of eastern block immigrants who escaped to America and appreciate freedom more so than a lot of Americans because they experienced not having it for so long. I moved to MT. a little over 30 years ago from a screaming liberal ski town in CO. to escape the socialist progressive guv. and attitude. When I joined a local gun club the first year here I had some "fun" talks with 2nd/3rd/4th gen. etc. "native" members trying to explain how important it was to fight for what they had. Took them decades to finally figure it out.

Either way your welcome at my house...so GFY.

I dont care if 39 trillion in cali voted for trump. their votes mean nothing. the state is rock solid communist

Yeah, south Wilson is enemy territory for sure.

Although I have noticed that most of the houses with Dem candidates signs won't even fly a Biden..

That was a dang good guess as to which street I live on. Guilty as charged. It was a bargain, though, cause it's right next to a frat house and no one wanted a frat as neighbors. I happen to like them. First, they are Trump supporters. Second, they play good music and don't throw too many empties over our fence. Third, they bring sorority girls around. Nothing like drunk sorority girls to beautify a neighborhood.

Just like Hajii's. They are both a friggin cancer.

Don't be too sure that California refugees won't vote Republican.

My wife's family was hard Democrats ever since the Civil War. My wife started voting for Republian presidents in 1980. After the Kavnaugh hearings, she changed her registration to Republican.

Her brother supported every Democrat with cash for decades, ran for the state assembly as a Democrat, and even was a campaign manager for a Democrat attorney general candidate. He just voted for Trump.

A close friend, now retired, and a former Democratic candidate for Congress, just voted for Trump.

So it's possible to "just walk away."

Bozeman is one of few places in MT that has turned Democrat due to immigration, places like Butte, Missoula, every rez, etc were always Democrat. 90% of the transplants I know are conservative. People like to blame Californians, but Montana has always been about 50/50. Truthfully, I doubt the recent immigration will move the needle.

But a word of advice, never tell anyone you’re from California. Just leave that chapter behind. Better to tell people here you just got out of the pen for being a homo rapist rather than your from California

We have friends and family in California.


I dont think they will be moving.

They are coming to Montana in droves. You can sell any house here at stupid ridiculous prices..instantly.

Thats the scuttlebutt around Redlodge. I guess it nuts down there.

Maybe you left out a decimal point somewhere? Otherwise I call bullchit. Only 39.5 million people in the entire state. No way 39 million Californians voted for Trump in 2016 According to Wiki, 8.8 million voted for Hillary. 4.4 million voted for Trump. Essentially 2 to 1 for the Hill Dog...

It looks as though a little over half of Montana residents were born here.


Thats crazy to me.

The crazy thing is, real estate is going nuts in CA also.
Granted, I do know that the SF Bay area has slowed dramatically, but most other places are pumping along. I think cheap money has a lot to do with the real estate boom. Although, I'm sure immigrants from Cali are accelerating the Montana/Idaho boom.

39.5 million is the ENTIRE population of the state. I would imagine the Republican vote was slightly less.
Bob

Well, they changed Nevada from Red to Blue so that might answer your question.
They leave Cali to avoid taxes and high housing costs, not to become conservatives.

Try 4.5 million. 39 million is the entire population of the state.

Our biggest export is our educated youth as they say. I grew up in Oregon and had several friends from Montana. Their families moved for economic reasons. As far as I know none moved back to Montana.

I think half of Oregonians are from some other state too. When I grew up it was a red state.

No judgement, you seem alright for a transplant. Grin.

Bet your Dem neighbors were stoked when you rode your snow machine, lucky you were not arrested for contaminating their air!

Best thing about frats and sororities as immediate neighbors, you know they would never call the cops...

My wife and I are in Northern Arizona looking for a retirement home. They are coming here in droves according to the locals, and bringing all their home equity with them. I am hopeful that the people leaving are the conservative (smart) type and they will bring their politics with them. We'll see.

Hope springs eternal.

You should have heard what my NYC-born/raised neighbor (who worked on the Obama campaigns) said when I put "Police Lives Matter" and "Jews Support Trump" bumper stickers on my truck, which already had the Montana "Don't Tread On Me" plates. This is a quote from right after the BLM riots started:

"You are so tone deaf."

To which I responded with a very long discussion of how her former boss should be hanging from my tree and how President Trump and the cops are the only things keeping us from descending into a third world chithole.

I haven't talked to her since, but her husband is now more friendly than ever. I suspect she's just an insufferable beyotch to everyone.

I cant imagine moving to Arizona....or even going there in the winter.

Unfathomable.

Anyway....is 100000 really considered "high" income in California?

Maybe in some California hillbilly area or something. Of which there are a lot of apparently.

Guessing several have already landed in WA.

Total population of California as of 2019 is 39.5 million.

In 2016:

8.7 million voted for Hillary

4.5 million voted for Trump

Not in the Bay Area or LA/SD metro areas. That salary is what a good secretary makes in SF (not including benefits or bonuses). $500k is probably the lower level of "high income" in the urban parts of CA.

Nah. No silent majority of closet D's there. First of all, they hate big government. They've had the Chicago garbage shoved down their throats for decades.

Oops, meant to write 3.9 million. mea culpa

100K is likely decent money......if you ask a curb-crapper.

I'm one of them. I hope by next year I will be one of you guys.

I am a refugee in the country of my birth. One day I hope my vote is not dismissed.

Too many fools rushed into California because it was great. We have up to 13 million illegals. We have the fruits of leftist universities coming here to show how enlightened they are by their zipcode. "Charmed" was set in San Francisco so hot air headed independant women who need their boyfriend to kill spiders, take out the trash, and pick up dog poop flocked here. Guys looking for puzzie were sniffing behind them. Latins claimed it. Asians claimed it . Leftist claimed it. Wannabee hippies try to recreate a falsehood.

They all seem to embrace "hip hop". And declare me a racist for my military service.

Guys like Morewood and Persiandog have found me and give a feeling that not all is lost.

But I think it will take a rain of fire.

Face it, 100k is "high income" when the State is looking to tax people.

$100k/year leaving California buys you a nice life in 99% of the rest of the country.

$100k might be peanuts in San Francisco, but across the Bay in Danville or Livermore, it works. Bakersfield it works. In Castroville it works, In Guala it works. In Folsom, it works. In Santa Barbara, it probably doesn't.

Californians probably won't migrate here.....whole State stinks like hogs.....and Illinoisians.

Not even with a tourist mega-draw like Snake Alley.

You're in Vacaville? Glad Manson didn't get out.

He was in Corcoran State Prison and died of AIDS last year.

What a waste of money and time.

California!

Disney doesn’t like the shutdown and is trying to get Newsom to let them open up.

I would love to see Disney move to Vegas if the theme park closure continues. Disney brings in huge income and tax dollars to the state.

Whether for good or bad, California has usually been ahead of the curve compared to the rest of the country, just takes longer to settle into flyover country. My fear is that we've peaked as a nation and are "victims" of our own success by virtue of having too much time on our hands and the communists having full access to our young people via the education system. From what little I know about history, appears to be that great things happen after societies go through a lot of suffering,.... if they survive....

I swear, 24hcf should be sponsored by the MT real estate association. There is more talk on here about moving to MT than there are discussions of BT vs. Partitions vs. Accubonds.

Have I mentioned the holy virtues of the 6.5 Creedmoore?

Come on, Man! Stay on task!

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Glossary of the Gothic: Fin-de-Siècle

Literally meaning “end of century”, fin de siècle Gothic refers specifically to the Gothic literature of the last two to three decades of the 19th century. There is a pervading sense of instability and unease; an age was coming to an end and things would change, not necessarily for the better. This is reflected by the idea of human devolution or degeneration, seen in Stevenson’s Olalla, where we are able to see the full effects of the devoluted foreign family in the figure of the mother and brother. In Stevenson’s Jekyll and Hyde, it is made worse because the upper-crust Dr. Jekyll transforms himself into the degenerate Hyde. This choice, however, is gradually taken away from him, and he loses control so that he becomes involuntarily trapped in the form (and personality) of Hyde. The devolution of a character is sometimes accompanied by a destabilizing loss of control, not only in the personal sphere, but also in terms of the empire and its inability to ultimately control the Hyde-like natives. The fatalistic sense that the civilized Jekyll would be subsumed by Hyde, taken in this colonial context, suggested a strong belief that Jekyll would have done better not to indulge in Hyde, but should have remained with the civilized elite who were his friends. Anxieties about the city and its future are also a feature, in the recurring image of a threatening cityscape that is always possessed of a dark underside capable of hiding characters like Stoker’s Dracula and Stevenson’s Hyde. The foreign threat appears in Dracula, who not only threatens the loss of life, and civilized living but also the women, so that the very future of the city is one of parasitical creatures who are sired by a foreign menace. The twofold threat here is thus not only that of diluting racial bloodlines, but also of losing the culture of this city to the lesser foreign type.

That's a bit above my paygrade but yeah, sorta what I was getting at.
Not a lot of warm and fuzzy's when speculating on our future.

This is nothing new
When I moved to Washington state it was a concert I’ve place
The California flood started in the early 90s and look at it now
They seem to not learn

West Virginia is open fer business....

Welcum commitee be glad to have ya.

They said” Calaforne is they place you oughta be? So they loaded up the truck, moved to Beverly, Hill that is”

Last year's increase in people relocating, And what would have given most people a clue, when stated since March... is the Covid-19 pandemic. People are moving back home and to less populated areas (out in the Boonies). Has nothing to do with taxes or money. trump fu****-up dense SOB ignored the virus leaving people trying to run from it. If you all would get your news from a legitimate site, you might know something.


Phil

Hope they don't all leave before voting to recall Governor Newsome. I understand the recall people just got 1,500,000 signatures and the special election will be this fall.

My brother lives in Helena, Montana. His kids want to buy their first homes in town. Long story short: Prices are going up, up, and up driven by all the out-of-staters moving out of Kommiefornia or wherever. They are literally being priced out. Bidding wars on many properties. A lot of properties sold from views on-line with no inspections / no contingencies.

A friend moved to Coeur d’ Alene from Kommiefornia just about 3 years ago (she was ahead of the curve). My sister visited her last week. According to our friend, her house has nearly DOUBLED in value due to the mass influx of people escaping Kommiefornia and other states.

grayghost: You have REPEATEDLY proven yourself to stupid to even try and save!
NOT ONE of the many folks I know here in Montana that moved from kalifornicationkopia did so for fear of the china red death.
NONE!
Top reasons were to get away from liberal idiots ruining their state (no offense meant) and their taxes were to high.
I don't know where you get YOUR information but it is erroneous to the max, dude!
Sheesh.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Damn... another perfectly good keyboard down the drain.

#varmintbeatdown^^^^^^

Horse Crap

They can still request absentee ballots since the next election cycle won't have started yet. After all if they voted for him in the past they are allowed to recall their endorsement...
And given he said that he was going to try and enact a sales tax that would follow residents who left for ten years, they have skin in the game.

If you want to "diagnose" a Californian (or any other state) emigrant for liberal thought and disease when they move into your area...I suggest you use their former zip code as the best diagnostic tool. If they come from an urban zip code, avoid them at all costs, they expect and demand that govt solve all their problems, and embrace all the taxes to finance those services. I have held the position for years that city people have a different genetic code than long time rural people. The county that I live in was once a 'retirement mecca'. Oh look Karen, aren't the mountains just beautiful? We should move here.....then two years down the road...we didn't know you had to drive an hour and a half to get medical services...the power has been off for two whole days, eek..my insurance rates are robbery, we didn't know there was no fire protection...the county snowplow just plowed our driveway shut, would you take your cat down there and open it?...we don't think your rifle range is safe, what if the kids wandered over there?...our dog would never chase deer, he is just a little sweetie pie...on and on.

I have signed 3 different Petitions to Recall this jerk
NEVER GUNNA HAPPEN
after they submit the Petitions they just throw them in the trash.
RECALL NEVER GUNNA HAPPEN

People are leaving California because the "Virtue signaling" of yourself and your loved ones being gang raped... it's no longer palatable by some.

It really is that simple gay ghoster

Listened last night to an Epoch Times podcast of a woman who is one of the recall leaders. They are shooting to get 2 million signatures, just to be safe .... figuring that the Kommiefornia Deep State will play games on certifying the signatures. They have to deliver the signed petitions to the registrar of voters in EACH county in the state (which they have been doing on a weekly basis). The registrar then verifies the signatures and reports to the Kommiefornia Secretary of State. They have until March 17th. to deliver all the signatures (will exceed 1,500,000 signatures), but they hope to have everything submitted by the first week of March.

Basically, Gruesome Newsom is TOAST ... and he is finally starting to figure it out.

We need a wall.

poor dumb Phil

We get letters from realtors every couple of weeks wanting to list my two properties in north Idaho. We bought in 2005. We saw some crazy sales nearby this past summer. I assured the boys that we ain't selling.

I'm originally from California. From San Francisco to be exact. I left way back in 1968, never to return other than to visit with relatives on holidays or birthdays. They're all long gone and dead and AFAIK all my old friends are dead and gone. I've outlived them all. The only democrat I ever voted for was JFK. I met the man and he seemed a decent sort. Vote R ever since. We're getting way too many liberals here in Tucson. Our congressrat is so entrenched that a few years back no one would run against. He ran totally unopposed. Tucson was pretty nice when I moved here in 1979. Still not real bad but population wise it has grown exponentially and most have come from that state to the west of us. I'mjust too damned old to move so I'll stay here and watch from the side.
Paul B.