The vaccine contains a spike protein (see image) called syncytin-1, vital for the formation of human placenta in women. If the vaccine works so that we form an immune response AGAINST the spike protein, we are also training the female body to attack syncytin-1, which could lead to infertility in women of an unspecified duration.
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon request a stop of all corona vaccination studies and call for co-signing the petition
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On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).
Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.
On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.
Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:
The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus.
The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women.
The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.
CALL FOR HELP: Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon ask as many EU citizens as possible to co-sign their petition by sending the e-mail prepared here to the EMA.
YES. I worked in the pharmaceutical/biotech industry for 40+ years. My wife and I will take whichever vaccines are declared "Safe and Effective" by our FDA.
They should test the vaccine on politicians. If they survive, it’s safe. If they don’t survive, we’re safe.
Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety once the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes one.
The three most recent former presidents hope an awareness campaign to promote confidence in its safety and effectiveness would be a powerful message as American public health officials try to convince the public to take the vaccine.
Freddy Ford, Bush's chief of staff, told CNN that the 43rd President had reached out to Dr. Anthony Fauci -- the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the nation's top infectious disease expert -- and Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, to see how he could help promote the vaccine.
YES. I worked in the pharmaceutical/biotech industry for 40+ years. My wife and I will take whichever vaccines are declared "Safe and Effective" by our FDA.
Even though it's been rapidly pushed through the normal drug approval process?
The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination.
The Moderna vaccine uses PEG as well. It is an important part of the LNP.
YES. I worked in the pharmaceutical/biotech industry for 40+ years. My wife and I will take whichever vaccines are declared "Safe and Effective" by our FDA.
The more people who take it voluntarily the less reason for forced vaccination.
Given how politicized this "pandemic" has become there is no freaky way I will blindly accept FDA approval as the "gospel".
I am getting over COVID infection now and it was little more than a bad cold.
I’ll just call myself inoculated I’m good thanks.
Besides flu shots are held up as some silver bullet but seem to often get the wrong strain so not sure how this will be any different except Bill Gates and others I don’t trust seem strangely interested in my health this time around which makes me even more skeptical.
AstraZeneca uses a Viral Vector to deliver the COVID DNA into your cells. This is not a "conventional vaccine."
A "conventional vaccine" injects dead viral protein into your bloodstream. Viral vector and mRNA vaccines both induce your body to produce the viral proteins. Viral Vector vaccines do not use a PEG formulated LNP which is good.
I am probably going to do it as soon as possible. Even though folks say there will be lots of doses by late spring, I am not sure it won't be later and I would like to get it done as early as practicable. By the time its likely I can get the vaccine, the trials will be 6+ months old, so initial and early side effects should be apparent, and long term ones won't be for a long time so its not practical for me to wait. The other is that besides the primary documentation from the trials there is so much stupid crap on the net it will be next to impossible to judge side effects.
I travel a lot for work and many of my customers have PITA screening processes. There is already talk of being able to skip those processes if you have proof of vaccination. In the fall I have a moose hunt scheduled in Ontario and a combo Moose/Caribou 2 weeks later in Newfoundland and I wouldn't be surprised if vaccination helps with border crossing.
Second I have known one person who died from COVID and one who got COVID and it really screwed up her lungs and breathing. Both were fairly young 44 and 39 and had no apparent underlying health conditions. In particular the one who survived is disconcerting, she was a long distance runner ( toughmudder, etc) and she is like an asthmatic now and its not clear if she will ever recover.
They should test the vaccine on politicians. If they survive, it’s safe. If they don’t survive, we’re safe.
Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety once the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes one.
The three most recent former presidents hope an awareness campaign to promote confidence in its safety and effectiveness would be a powerful message as American public health officials try to convince the public to take the vaccine.
Freddy Ford, Bush's chief of staff, told CNN that the 43rd President had reached out to Dr. Anthony Fauci -- the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the nation's top infectious disease expert -- and Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, to see how he could help promote the vaccine.
Yeah riiiight......I trust them about as far as I can throw air force one.....Do you really think they would get a shot of anything more than a saline solution.....Y'all go ahead and stand in line for that shot, all I see covid to be is a re-naming of our common flu and cold for a political agenda that I can't see the purpose for, but I'm willing to bet it's not for the common good.
Yes. It wont be available to me until all of the healthcare workers, nursing home residents, and people over 65 have been vaccinated. If there are no serious problems by that point I'm taking it.
They should test the vaccine on politicians. If they survive, it’s safe. If they don’t survive, we’re safe.
Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety once the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes one.
The three most recent former presidents hope an awareness campaign to promote confidence in its safety and effectiveness would be a powerful message as American public health officials try to convince the public to take the vaccine.
Freddy Ford, Bush's chief of staff, told CNN that the 43rd President had reached out to Dr. Anthony Fauci -- the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the nation's top infectious disease expert -- and Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, to see how he could help promote the vaccine.
They take a shot on camera? How do we know its really the vaccine. I've gotten to the point where I trust nothing.
They should test the vaccine on politicians. If they survive, it’s safe. If they don’t survive, we’re safe.
Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety once the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes one.
The three most recent former presidents hope an awareness campaign to promote confidence in its safety and effectiveness would be a powerful message as American public health officials try to convince the public to take the vaccine.
Freddy Ford, Bush's chief of staff, told CNN that the 43rd President had reached out to Dr. Anthony Fauci -- the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the nation's top infectious disease expert -- and Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, to see how he could help promote the vaccine.
They take a shot on camera? How do we know its really the vaccine. I've gotten to the point where I trust nothing.
Exactly.
To top it off it’d be tough to find three men who’d make me MORE skeptical of this thing than them.
They should test the vaccine on politicians. If they survive, it’s safe. If they don’t survive, we’re safe.
Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety once the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes one.
The three most recent former presidents hope an awareness campaign to promote confidence in its safety and effectiveness would be a powerful message as American public health officials try to convince the public to take the vaccine.
Freddy Ford, Bush's chief of staff, told CNN that the 43rd President had reached out to Dr. Anthony Fauci -- the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the nation's top infectious disease expert -- and Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, to see how he could help promote the vaccine.
They take a shot on camera? How do we know its really the vaccine. I've gotten to the point where I trust nothing.
Exactly.
To top it off it’d be tough to find three men who’d make me MORE skeptical of this thing than them.
They forgot to get Jimmy Carter in that photo. There's George W. right in the middle between his Liberal buddies. 3 traitorous bastards right there.
They should test the vaccine on politicians. If they survive, it’s safe. If they don’t survive, we’re safe.
Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety once the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes one.
The three most recent former presidents hope an awareness campaign to promote confidence in its safety and effectiveness would be a powerful message as American public health officials try to convince the public to take the vaccine.
Freddy Ford, Bush's chief of staff, told CNN that the 43rd President had reached out to Dr. Anthony Fauci -- the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the nation's top infectious disease expert -- and Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, to see how he could help promote the vaccine.
They take a shot on camera? How do we know its really the vaccine. I've gotten to the point where I trust nothing.
Exactly.
To top it off it’d be tough to find three men who’d make me MORE skeptical of this thing than them.
I laughed when I saw the news post, nothing about those three would bring me comfort either. I posted the snippet from the story for the humor involved.
I've never even had a flu shot, though my doctor recommends it because I have COPD. Hate to do anything different and screw something up, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
i think i will wait ,maybe til im forced to have it , got a flu shot inn 56 or 57 . damn near killed me. hospital 3 days . haven't had another one for 65 years.
Record Card A Department of Health and Human Services employee holds a COVID-19 vaccine record card Nov. 13, 2020, in Washington D.C. The cards will be sent out as part of vaccination kits from Operation Warp Speed.
Worked in biopharm for a couple decades. It comes down to one question: Does the benefit outweigh the risk?
C19’s mortality/morbidity profile would suggest that it does. Combine that with 90 and 94.5% efficacy of the first two compounds the answer to the above question would seem a no brainer. I will still read the approval studies very carefully. Fast -track drug approvals aren’t the ideal situation and are rarely done; only when the medical condition warrants it. And it all comes down to that one question.
also worked in Pharmaceutical industry etc. for 40 years. Product development, delivery systems etc.
Lets talk about FDA safe and effective. Notice at the end of the package insert it will also say, "when used as directed" what ever that means.
Zantac --- safe and effective FDA says so. Vioxx --- safe and effective FDA says so Fenfluramine ---- safe and effective FDA etc. calcium channel blockers ---safe and effective etc. Talcum powder etc.
could go on, there is a very long list
have had FDA, in their cute little military uniforms, come in and close the place down, at least until the lawyers arrived.
in particular reread OldHats post, then read it again, then reread it.
If you don't think the vaccine has been put on the speed track, research how long, and expensive, it usually takes, and it still can cause problems.
53 million deaths in the world last year from regular stuff, 1 mil from Covid maybe.
0 deaths from old age.
How many times you heard, read "theres a new drug out that cures everything, (pick your condition)?"
They are not talking about the adverse reactions.
But hey this the campfire, don't take my word for it, personally I hope everybody gets a shot, think Ill wait until the second round, wave, what ever terminology is popular at the time,
Worked in biopharm for a couple decades. It comes down to one question: Does the benefit outweigh the risk?
C19’s mortality/morbidity profile would suggest that it does. Combine that with 90 and 94.5% efficacy of the first two compounds the answer to the above question would seem a no brainer. I will still read the approval studies very carefully. Fast -track drug approvals aren’t the ideal situation and are rarely done; only when the medical condition warrants it. And it all comes down to that one question.
It certainly would be a good idea to see how they arrived at the 90 and 95 percent rates, or what they didn't include.
Proly aint gonna need it, 6th day from exposure is Sat, see if I develop symptoms. Get this chit over with. If it takes 14 days to show symptoms, then I'll be out another batch after that. But that will be sick leave so lose only half my pay. Starting to get rather annoyed.
The ol lady and kids aint living here, havent since Tuesday (was exposed Sunday) so they should be fine, as far as my causing a problem. Told her she could just drop off a bottle of pop and some frozen meals at front door.
Pizzarolls and pop, and vitamin supplements. See what happens. Nobody here, I have some killer steaks I can thaw (shorty w jaw probs can't eat chewy stuff).
Worked in biopharm for a couple decades. It comes down to one question: Does the benefit outweigh the risk?
C19’s mortality/morbidity profile would suggest that it does. Combine that with 90 and 94.5% efficacy of the first two compounds the answer to the above question would seem a no brainer. I will still read the approval studies very carefully. Fast -track drug approvals aren’t the ideal situation and are rarely done; only when the medical condition warrants it. And it all comes down to that one question.
It certainly would be a good idea to see how they arrived at the 90 and 95 percent rates, or what they didn't include.
Precisely. Those kinds of numbers seem almost shockingly high. I would expect these studies to be the most scrutinized ever. We'll see.
I will certainly not take it anytime soon. Maybe after I have seen people take it without issue for a good while I will. The likelihood and timeline of me taking it will depend on whether the mortality rate of the virus increases. With the present mortality rate, I would be more concerned about the effects of the vaccine than those of the virus.
Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety once the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes one.
Yup, although it will be several months before I can get it as I'm over 65 but no major health problems. By the time it's available to me there should be a lot of information about any side effects.
I will certainly not take it anytime soon. Maybe after I have seen people take it without issue for a good while I will. The likelihood and timeline of me taking it will depend on whether the mortality rate of the virus increases. With the present mortality rate, I would be more concerned about the effects of the vaccine than those of the virus.
The downside of the "wait and see" approach: This is not constant disease state, such as STD, and the Big C is in a state of flux, changing to insure its survival. Any data gathered after the first vaccinations may only be reflective of that strain.
One dinosaur to another, "you going to get the shot?", second dinosaur, "Nay Im going to wait for the meteor".
I will take one. I have taken other vaccines that virtually eliminated diseases in first world countries until the Stupid Libs started helping 3rd world illegals in hoping for votes.
I am just recovering from a 3 week bout with covid. It will probably give me immunity at least for a time. Absolutely the sickest I have ever been in my 80 years and my survival was in doubt for several days.
If I did not already have the immunity, wild horses could not keep me from being in front of the vaccination line.
IMHO, only a damn fool would play games with this chit.
Now that confirmation has arrived that it was 'out' well before Jan-2020 I'm confident that I had 'it' starting 12/26/19, nasty chit it was. Wife had it at the same time, she wound up with 'walking phneumonia after about a month and two rounds of Z-Pack. I only had one round of Z and only endured about a month of dry hacking after the initial sickness.
They should test the vaccine on politicians. If they survive, it’s safe. If they don’t survive, we’re safe.
Former Presidents Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are volunteering to get their Covid-19 vaccines on camera to promote public confidence in the vaccine's safety.
I wouldn’t trust ANY of those 3 They’d just be getting a B12 vitamin shot !
I'll take it, although I wouldn't be first in line to do so. I'd like to make sure those that take it ahead of me don't turn into like something from the Walking Dead.
Since I am in a category of people getting it last, there should be a 2 or 3 month window of people receiving the vaccine before me. If there is anything immediate in regards to adverse reactions we should know.
I don't know. I am totally against taking the vaccine,but I just got sent home to quarantine for the second time in less than 6 weeks and the third time since mid April from working near people that tested positive or had a family member tested positive. The Family Cares Act allows for 80 hours of pay. I have surpassed that, not to mention that all the times it's happened it has been on a 7-10 or 7-12 job. So it has cost me a considerable amount of money. As bad as I don't want to, I may end up having to give in and take it if it will prevent further quarantines
Like to know if the healthcare workers getting it first are required to get as a condition of continued employment.
My brother is a nurse at the Ohio State hospital, he has already had covid and says he will have to get the vaccine. He thinks all healthcare workers will.
Like to know if the healthcare workers getting it first are required to get as a condition of continued employment.
My brother is a nurse at the Ohio State hospital, he has already had covid and says he will have to get the vaccine. He thinks all healthcare workers will.
I guess a better question would be:
Will the gov. pass a mandate/law taking away the employees rights for sueing if it violates their rights.
my religion doesn't believe in vaccinations. vaccination gives me anxiety syndrome
to say nothing if the vaccine causes a death.
Employers can pass a requirement easy, but the labor laws would make this a nightmare.
I guess I'll be curious how many of the naysayers here end up catching this garbage and ending up with some real consequences. It's fickle, but if you're the right one, it will KICK your ROSY REPUBLICAN @$$. Ask my dad how I know this -- oh, sorry, he died. Before he could vote, two days before I could grab a ballot for him.
So, think about it. Dems are gonna take the squirt and not die. Do you want to be the last American to croak from this, and the next election, the idiot wins by one?
Will you wait a while to see if there might be adverse reactions from those that receive it early on?
Will you not take it at all?
Just curious.....
I will wait for the Campers here to get the shots from their trusted friend Bill Gates, then I will pray that they get saved before they die. As sure as there's a hell, I'll never take that poison.
YES. I worked in the pharmaceutical/biotech industry for 40+ years. My wife and I will take whichever vaccines are declared "Safe and Effective" by our FDA.
Same. I'd be happy to be first in line. My university education was Biochemistry/Microbiology and I understand both the technology and the principles involved.. There's some crazy anti-vaxxer misinformation in this thread being promoted by some mushy headed fuggers.
I guess I'll be curious how many of the naysayers here end up catching this garbage and ending up with some real consequences. It's fickle, but if you're the right one, it will KICK your ROSY REPUBLICAN @$$. Ask my dad how I know this -- oh, sorry, he died. Before he could vote, two days before I could grab a ballot for him.
So, think about it. Dems are gonna take the squirt and not die. Do you want to be the last American to croak from this, and the next election, the idiot wins by one?
No amount of fear-mongering is going to get me to accept it. We all have an appointed time.
We aren't lucky enough to get rid of all 3 of these A$$Holes at once.
The only people that won't take the shot are the ones that are too puckin dumb to get it and don't understand how vaccines work. And unfortunately there are going to be many that refuse the vaccine that die from the Covid.
Like to know if the healthcare workers getting it first are required to get as a condition of continued employment.
I know as firefighters we are being offered access to the initial vaccines, we are not being told we have to get it rather they are asking us who would like to get it. Most of my guys have said they are not taking it, I haven’t decided but am leaning hard towards No. I have had multiple exposures with positive people and not gotten it that I know of, kind of hard to jump in the front of the line and taking it without certainty of the side effects both short term and long term.
The only people that won't take the shot are the ones that are too puckin dumb to get it and don't understand how vaccines work. And unfortunately there are going to be many that refuse the vaccine that die from the Covid.
Some people are too dumb to save their own skin.
I say good, that will mean I'll get mine sooner.
Be interesting to see which number is bigger when all is said and done.
Wonder which column the death numbers will go in when they die from the vaccine.
One has to wonder who came up with the idea to start in the nursing homes.
The only people that won't take the shot are the ones that are too puckin dumb to get it and don't understand how vaccines work. And unfortunately there are going to be many that refuse the vaccine that die from the Covid.
Some people are too dumb to save their own skin.
I say good, that will mean I'll get mine sooner.
Be interesting to see which number is bigger when all is said and done.
Wonder which column the death numbers will go in when they die from the vaccine.
One has to wonder who came up with the idea to start in the nursing homes.
"Yep, add another one to the Covid-19 total Skip"
You probably heard in the news that many hospitals who owned nursing homes housed sick hospital patients in nursing homes with the elderly. This made the bed ridden elderly sick resulting in untold millions to the hospitals. This brought about many deaths. They got nearly 100% death rate from hooking them up to ventilators. In West Virginia that came to over $150,000 per patient. What do you think about that. It makes me think that they will do anything if enough $ is concerned.
This is control. Flu, pneumonia, shingles vaccines are available on a voluntary basis. Nobody is pushing or mandating everyone get them. This C19 was man made. It came along in front of an election year. Look back at all the hype, false information the Govt put out, and the shutdowns. The dems jumped right on this whole scenario and pushed this "mail in ballots" bu!!schit, and look at what that did for the election, along with the corrupt voting machines and software. Look at today, it has been proven over and over the masks do not prevent you from getting C19, yet look at the mandates in place. All of a sudden, the media is pushing this increase in covid in the past few weeks, and mandates are coming back. Control.
If the dems prevail, not only will our republic be gone forever, I bet mandates will go crazy. If you don't have one of these covid cards, you probably won't be allowed in a hospital, or doctor office. It may even go so far as effecting your health insurance, especially Medicare (govt). How far will it go? Can't get your driver's license renewed? Can't get any tax returns? Don't put anything past the communists.
I'm not as opposed to getting the vaccination as I am to being told I have to. I'd just like to know more about before I do, I've never had any flu shot and never go in a doctor's office but manage to stay rather health.
Many years ago I recognized the benefits of using hand sanitizers and social distancing without being instructed to do so. I don't do it religiously or compulsively but I do contribute those practices to me not even being able to recall when I last had a cold let alone the flu.
If they go total apechit crazy about this, which is likely, They may require proof of vaccination to re-new our drivers license or something of that order.
The only people that won't take the shot are the ones that are too puckin dumb to get it and don't understand how vaccines work. And unfortunately there are going to be many that refuse the vaccine that die from the Covid.
Some people are too dumb to save their own skin.
I say good, that will mean I'll get mine sooner.
The only people that will get the shot are too f ucking stupid to know that covid19 doesn't kill 99.9% of the people that get it.
They're also so f ucking stupid they dont even know of all the issues with fully tested and studied vaccines.....let alone those with abbreviated trials (ie rushed).
They're also too stupid to understand how mrna vaccines work.
The virus affects people differently. My hunting buddy called me Sunday night before Thanksgiving, he was driving back from an Arkansas duck hunt. He was coughing while trying to talk and said he was going to get tested again (his 3rd time) because his secretary tested positive. Thanksgiving morning at 400am he sent me a text and said he was in OSU medical and it didn't look good. Over the next several days he couldn't talk without losing his breath had to text back and forth. His condition gradually improved and he was released Wednesday of this week. I called and he still couldn't talk for long without being short of breath. He said one day you feel fine and the next thing you know it takes 30 minutes just to get from the house to car. I still remember our conversation on his drive back before he got severely ill, "it's not that bad". He is 50 years old, in good health and almost ended up on the other side of the grass. My occupation is considered essential and I have gone to work everyday since this began. Several at work have tested positive and became ill. All have, after the 14 day quarantine returned to work and resumed with life. One at age 58, said he felt bad and had a fever for a couple of days but that was about it. The problem is that you never know how your body will react to the virus once you contract it. And you will it's just a matter of time. Don't know if I want to go through the same near miss my buddy did. Put me in the front of the line for the shot, I will roll the dice.
The virus affects people differently. My hunting buddy called me Sunday night before Thanksgiving, he was driving back from an Arkansas duck hunt. He was coughing while trying to talk and said he was going to get tested again (his 3rd time) because his secretary tested positive. Thanksgiving morning at 400am he sent me a text and said he was in OSU medical and it didn't look good. Over the next several days he couldn't talk without losing his breath had to text back and forth. His condition gradually improved and he was released Wednesday of this week. I called and he still couldn't talk for long without being short of breath. He said one day you feel fine and the next thing you know it takes 30 minutes just to get from the house to car. I still remember our conversation on his drive back before he got severely ill, "it's not that bad". He is 50 years old, in good health and almost ended up on the other side of the grass. My occupation is considered essential and I have gone to work everyday since this began. Several at work have tested positive and became ill. All have, after the 14 day quarantine returned to work and resumed with life. One at age 58, said he felt bad and had a fever for a couple of days but that was about it. The problem is that you never know how your body will react to the virus once you contract it. And you will it's just a matter of time. Don't know if I want to go through the same near miss my buddy did. Put me in the front of the line for the shot, I will roll the dice.
You have a 50% chance of getting cancer , a solid 16% chance your life ends by it. You are probably overwieight like most Americans which increases your chance of dying 41% more from certain cancers, not to mention artery and heart disease, about 25% chance of ending your life as it stands now. These are the real pandemics of the human race at the moment. But you are willing to risk your life with an untested vaccine over a 0.6% killer...
Your problem is not any pandemic, its atrophied thinking ability. No offence, but the only way they got this whole boondoggle across the line is because 1st world people cant do basic math or simple logical comparisons anymore.
Sure. Get the flu shot every year; haven’t been sick in years. Got the shingles vac last year; kicked me a bit, but I sure as Hell don’t want shingles. My natural lifestyle is “hunkered down” anyway and I’m Type O, but reducing even my lesser risk is a good idea at my age. I’ll probably get offered it in the second wave, after the med folks and first responders. My wife is younger and will likely have to wait a while. We’ll continue in self-imposed quarantine of sorts regardless, because there are no guarantees in life, except death.
aww basic math-- lets look at that- in fact assume on the high side.
Assume vaccines are 90% effective disregarding any side effects, which run about conservatively 10% higher in biologicals than regular drugs.
Assume the distribution system is 90%, disregarding all the doses are put on one airplane and it crashes, disregarding the nurse who forgets to put it in a cooler, etc.
Assume the manufacturing process is 90% disregarding that toxins that seem to slip by in the process
That means the vaccine will be 90% effective. Right
Nope. .9 x .9 x .9 =72% and thats being really optimistic.
My concern is stupid groids being in charge of the local last mile logistics.
Big Fat Dont Give a Fouck Freda letting the vials sit at room temperature while she grubs her shrimp and grits on her extended Groid privileged lunch break.
The only people that won't take the shot are the ones that are too puckin dumb to get it and don't understand how vaccines work. And unfortunately there are going to be many that refuse the vaccine that die from the Covid.
Some people are too dumb to save their own skin.
I say good, that will mean I'll get mine sooner.
The only people that will get the shot are too f ucking stupid to know that covid19 doesn't kill 99.9% of the people that get it.
They're also so f ucking stupid they dont even know of all the issues with fully tested and studied vaccines.....let alone those with abbreviated trials (ie rushed).
They're also too stupid to understand how mrna vaccines work.
Have fun with the cancer.
YES RNA doesn't work the same as DNA
Had a good friend die the other day. Driving to work in the dark, ran into back of parked driving school 18 wheeler, (ironic?) no rear lights --- decapitated. If he had just of gotten Covid he would have been in quarantine. Coulda, shoulda, woulda,
The only people that won't take the shot are the ones that are too puckin dumb to get it and don't understand how vaccines work. And unfortunately there are going to be many that refuse the vaccine that die from the Covid.
Some people are too dumb to save their own skin.
I say good, that will mean I'll get mine sooner.
The only people that will get the shot are too f ucking stupid to know that covid19 doesn't kill 99.9% of the people that get it.
They're also so f ucking stupid they dont even know of all the issues with fully tested and studied vaccines.....let alone those with abbreviated trials (ie rushed).
They're also too stupid to understand how mrna vaccines work.
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