I don't have the words.

And this is a suprise?

Stick a fork in us. We're done.

0n what grounds would he have overturned them?

Not at all.

Please don't post ever again.

On what grounds....how about my dick and balls? How about those for "grounds"? Since he, and you, and most men in the US seem to lack them, I'd say those are pretty impressive grounds.

Patriots storming the capitol.... hello?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ng-federal-barriers-cops-losing-control/

Simple he can't

Even Pence has a target on his back. Theyre not going after the thieves who stole the election, but those who were blindsided by the faux wrestler. Well done Mr Soros, well done.

Whiney little bitch .... wfbear just can't help himself

GOOD!! I really think the time to be "peaceful" has passed....

Don't worry, Lin Wood and Sidney Powell will save the day!

I think it's up to the patriots to save the day from here on out

Trump only hires the best and brightest. He plays chess.

Steve Scalise nailed it in his comments.

Look a never trumper is on the scene.. I bet you voted for Kate Brown..

Never trumper you probably voted for the libertarian candidate..

Dood, seriously, take a break, your imploding

Never trumper... better donate to the NRAgive Wayne some spending money when he goes on vacation..

The VP does not have the authority to overturn an election. His job is to read the votes into the official record. Then it is up to the House and Senate to either accept the votes on a state by state basis or to reject them on the same basis. Pence doesn't even have a vote in the matter unless there is a 50-50 tie in the senate and he has NO SAY in anything the House does.

^^^Correct^^^

If he couldnt have rejected the fraud states EC votes and referred the vote to those states legislators, as proscribed in the Constitution as a remedy for illegal election, why would the legislators demand he do so as proscribed in the Constitution, dumb fughk?

PS. Duh?

The next milestone happens when Pence is presented dueling electors. This will be Georgia.

Overwhelming proof of massive election fraud in support of the deep state's candidate and against Trump. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

All procedural means have failed due to massive perfidy, so this is all that's left.

What's about to be proven, over the coming weeks, months and years, is that 51% can't dominate 49%—that a slim majority can't rule with retribution, that 51% can't smash the freedoms of 49%.

That and Internet forums...

He does have the authority to prevent the overturning of an election, however. He just failed to act on said authority. Par for the course in the current environment of massive perfidy on the part of those in governmental positions meant to prevent things like the coup d'etat that's currently underway.

Wow, what an impressive post, you must have gargantuan gear.


mike r

You do not seem to grasp the simple fact that the VP does NOT have the authority anywhere to overturn an election on his own. He can't do it! The House and the Senate can do something but the sitting VP cannot. What part of that is hard for you to grasp? I am in no way happy about what is happening, but the VP is powerless right now.

I challenge you or anyone else to show me where in the Constitution or any federal regulation any statute that gives the VP the authority you want him to wield. You can't do it can you?

No he doesn't. The only authority he has is to act as a tie breaker in the case of a 50-50 tie in the senate. Here's a little challenge: Provide me with a valid source that backs up your claim of what he can do.

My understanding is he simply needs to send it back to the states and the state legislators want to de-certify

"An analysis by two prominent law professors published before the election concluded that if Electoral College votes remain in dispute after they are counted in Congress, the vice president, as presiding officer of the joint session, could choose not to allow certain disputed votes."

Link

A functional Constitutional would have prevented the necessity of this whole situation.

It's past time for wondering what is and what isn't Constitutional.

America's Constitution was used for ass wipe by the people in power a long time ago.

Make congress and the senate do their job to make these state legislators do their job is what it boils down too in mikey poo,s statement.
JMO......

Stick a fork in him as far as I'm concerned.

Friends, your country is fuqked. Because of Trumps claims from months, even a couple years ago the election will be rigged. And claims after the election claims that it was rigged. Yet while he was in power the whole time he couldn't do anything to change it? Or at least find a morsel of hard evidence? I keep looking for a evidence that the Dems didn't win all I get told is I'm blind, everyone knows, here it is on this extremist site's link etc etc. I can't believe my best friends and neighbors have slipped in to the territory of a 3rd world country over the claims of one man simply because he lost an election. I wish you all the best. I hope there's enough pieces to rebuild from. Peace out.

Its painfully obvious those comments from a socialist country indicate why they were able to turn socialist. No stomach to do whats needed at times.

Of course the USA would not exist as such, if the founders did not have the stomachs. I just pray we still have the stomach to do the right thing when the time requires it.

The founding fathers KNEW this would happen, its why things were written into the constitution that have been violated and will continue to do so unless stopped.

When you break laws to hold an election, the election is fraudulent plain and simple. You cannot change rules mid stream without approval. It gets no more simple than that.

Do you happen to know if Juliani, Lin Wood
and Kraken Powell agree with those profs.?

Your "understanding" is incorrect.

can't be, that would be the first time this year LOL

That is AFTER congress disputes and and fails to resolve it in such a manner that nobody gets 270 electoral votes. In that case the 12th amendment kicks in. Now I want you to listen very carefully: THE VP DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING ON HIS OWN. IT IS UP TO CONGRESS TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO AND THEN THE VP MUST ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS SET FORTH IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

You need to take a few minutes and try to educate yourself.

The only way the VP has any real authority here is if dualing electors were submitted, NONE WHERE Several states played to it and "elected" slates, but that was not official and not submitted to Congress. IF they were, Pence then would be able to pick which he wanted to count. since there are none, he's stuck.

I never had a doubt.......................

So much for "The Plan". Always a good idea to get the buy-in of the players before the game begins.

MM

Pence isn't and never was going to do [bleep]. The sooner you fools realize that, the better.

Pence may now regret his words.

Peace out my ass. You're out of your mind. Where was the peace when democrat operatives burned buildings and took over cities, they spit on officers and attacked them with deadly weapons. But they were "peaceful protestors". [bleep] you. Take back your own country. When you are armed you will be free. Until then you are a subject. I will not be a subject. The election was rigged, from social media icons denying free speech to expose illegal operations by and within the family of a presidential candidate. Medial that supported packing ballot boxes with falsely acquired ballots. State governors and judges that changed election laws in the middle of an election acting outside their constitutionally delegated rights. ILLEGAL VOTES. FALSE VOTES. So [bleep] you and your socialist government feeding you piglets from the tit of it's choice.

But but Qanon said!........

Glad we have a constitutional scholar on board...... you should head over to the "Q" thread and straighten them boys out also....

Like trump, he'll have a heck of a time learning a trade at his age.

Hey dumbass like I ask on what legal grounds. Really a simple question. Guess when one has no answer the best you can do is make a damn fool of yourself.

His question is valid. Please respond---with evidence.

The Constitution is not difficult to read and understand. The problem is that few take the effort to attempt it.

Pence didn't decline a thing.

You can't decline to do something you have no authority to do in the first place.

How difficult is this to grasp?

Pence knows whats right and wrong and guess what. Trump is wrong. Trump needs to concede and bend over and kiss his azz goodby.

I do

screw pence and all of his buddies in the swamp

Pence did the right thing, He knows Trump is a POS and a Narcissist but has put up with him for the last 4 years cause he did'nt want trump to "fire" him. And so are a lot of Republicans feeling the same way. If you were the underdog and getting beat up, would you roll over and say "I give up" just sayin.

I gave you the answer you deserved, you fuuck. Feel lucky you got anything at all.

Pence is done.

Pence was never asked to "overturn the vote" He was asked to send the electoral results of the six disputed states back to the state legislatures for investigation and disposition, then have them report back to him. He refused to do that, and it was his duty and authority to do so. He is a swamp creature now in my book, just like the turtle.

No you answered nothing. As far as being lucky I got anything, I'm not sure the rantings of a lunatic beats ,beats nothing at all. All I did was ask is , on what grounds? Expecting somebody to explain instead I got some idiot without a answer mouthing off about his junk. Reminds Me of the old saying , It better to not speak and be thought a fool ,then speak and remove all doubt.

No you answered nothing. As far as being lucky I got anything, I'm not sure the rantings of a lunatic beats ,beats nothing at all. All I did was ask is , on what grounds? Expecting somebody to explain instead I got some idiot without a answer mouthing off about his junk. Reminds Me of the old saying , It better to not speak and be thought a fool ,then speak and remove all doubt.

From Mark Levin:

The 2020 presidential election was, in several targeted battleground states, an unconstitutional electoral exercise. Even putting aside evidence of significant fraud, virtually none of which received a hearing by our courts, events leading up to and including the November national election constituted a radical and grave departure from the federal electoral system adopted by the framers of the Constitution and the state ratification conventions. Now, let’s be clear: None of this matters to the Democrat Party, since it and its surrogates perpetrated these unconstitutional acts, as I shall soon explain. Nor does it matter to the media, which is utterly illiterate on the subject and unequivocally supports the supposed outcome in any event. But it should be of great moment and concern to the people of this country and especially to congressional Republicans in both Houses, for if the latter do not at least confront and challenge this lawlessness on January 6, when Congress meets to count the electors, it will be the GOP’s undoing and, simultaneously, the undoing of our presidential electoral system. Ultimately, it will be the people of the United States who love our republic who will be the losers.

Win, lose, or draw, on January 6, the Republicans must not act as if “the people have spoken” and be cowered into passivity or worse, such as joining the Democrat Party and media hecklers, by insisting that they are part of a lawless party seeking to “reverse the results of the election.” Too many Republicans have already buckled, including the Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, Sen. John Thune, and Rep. Adam Kinzinger. No doubt others who are unreliable and cowardly when facing the organized mob will follow. But let us not be judged by those who have intentionally and strategically manipulated our politics and the law to undermine our constitutional order. It is they who must be condemned.

Specifically, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the federal Constitution could not be more explicit. It states, in pertinent part: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress …” This language was purposeful. During the Constitutional Convention, there were various proposals suggested for electing a president. Should the president be directly elected by the people? That proposal was rejected out of concern that such a purely democratic process could be hijacked by a temporary majority. Should the president be chosen in the first instance from within the national legislature? That proposal was also rejected on grounds of separation of powers. Should the judiciary play a role in the selection of the president? That idea was dispensed with as being the most objectionable, as judges were to be the least political of all public officials. The framers deliberatively and with much thought created the Electoral College process, in which the people and their elected legislatures — both state and national — would play important roles. But the electoral process rested first and foremost on the state legislatures directing how the electors would be chosen. The reason: While rejecting the direct election of a president, the framers concluded that the state legislatures were closest to the people in their respective states and would be the best representatives of their interests. At no time did the framers even raise the possibility that governors, attorneys general, secretaries of state, election boards, administrators, etc., would play any significant role in the electoral process. Indeed, certain of those offices did not even exist. Moreover, as I said, the courts were rejected out of hand. Thus, such an important power was to be exercised exclusively by the state legislatures.

After the 2016 election, the Democrat Party, its various surrogate groups, and eventually the Biden campaign unleashed hundreds of lawsuits and an unrelenting lobbying campaign in key states that had previously been won by President Trump, taking unconstitutional measures intended to stop President Trump from winning these states in the 2020 election, thereby literally undoing this critical constitutional provision. What had been carefully crafted at the Constitutional Convention and clearly spelled out in the Constitution was the main obstacle to defeating President Trump and winning virtually all future presidential elections. The problem for the Democrats was that in several of these battleground states, the Republicans controlled the legislatures, while the Democrats controlled state executive offices. The Constitution was not on their side. Therefore, they used the two branches of government that were to have no role in directing the appointment of electors to eviscerate the role of the Republican legislatures.

In Pennsylvania, considered the battleground of the battleground states, the Democrat governor, attorney general, and secretary of state made and enforced multiple changes to the state’s voting procedures, all of which were intended to assist the Democrats and Biden. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court, whose seven justices are elected, has a 5-2 Democrat majority. (In 2018, there was a big push by the Democrat Party to fill three of the seats with Democrats, and it succeeded.) Just months before the general election, that court rewrote the state election laws to eliminate signature requirements or signature matching, eliminate postal markings that were intended to ensure votes were timely, and extended the counting of mail-in ballots to Friday at 5:00 p.m. (state law had a hard date and time — election day on Tuesday, which ended at 8:00 p.m. ET), thereby fundamentally altering Pennsylvania’s election laws and nullifying the federal constitutional role of the Republican legislature.

In Michigan, among other things, the Democrat secretary of state unilaterally changed the state’s election laws with respect to absentee ballot applications and signature verification. Indeed, she sent unsolicited absentee ballot applications by mail prior to the primary and general elections. State law required would-be voters to request such ballots. She intentionally circumvented the Republican state legislature and violated the federal Constitution by issuing over 7 million unsolicited ballots. Furthermore, a court of claims judge, appointed by a Democrat, ordered clerks to accept ballots postmarked by Nov. 2 and received within 14 days of the election, the deadline for results to be certified. The ballots would be counted as provisional ballots. The state legislature had no role in these changes.

In Wisconsin, the Elections Commission and local Democrat officials in the state’s largest cities, including Milwaukee and Madison, changed the state’s election laws. Among other things, they placed hundreds of unmanned drop boxes in strategic locations in direct violation of state law. Not surprisingly, the locations were intended to be most convenient to Democrat voters. In addition, they told would-be voters how to avoid security measures like signature verification and photo ID requirements. These bureaucrats and local officials bypassed the Republican legislature in altering state election procedures.

In Georgia, the secretary of state is a Republican. Regardless, as explained in the Texas lawsuit brought against Georgia and the three other states mentioned above, “on March 6, 2020, in Democratic Party of Georgia v. Raffensperger, Georgia’s Secretary of State entered a Compromise Settlement Agreement and Release with the Democratic Party of Georgia to materially change the statutory requirements for reviewing signatures on absentee ballot envelopes to confirm the voter’s identity by making it far more difficult to challenge defective signatures beyond the 22 express mandatory procedures set forth at GA. CODE § 21-2-386(a)(1)(B). 71. Among other things, before a ballot could be rejected, the Settlement required a registrar who found a defective signature to now seek a review by two other registrars, and only if a majority of the registrars agreed that the signature was defective could the ballot be rejected but not before all three registrars’ names were written on the ballot envelope along with the reason for the rejection. These cumbersome procedures are in direct conflict with Georgia’s statutory requirements, as is the Settlement’s requirement that notice be provided by telephone (i.e., not in writing) if a telephone number is available. Finally, the Settlement purports to require State election officials to consider issuing guidance and training materials drafted by an expert retained by the Democratic Party of Georgia.” Georgia’s Republican legislature had no role in these electoral changes resulting from consent decree.

Consequently, in each of these four battleground states — and there were others — whether through executive fiats or litigation, key, if not core, aspects of state election laws were fundamentally altered in contravention of the explicit power granted to the state legislatures and, therefore, in violation of the federal Constitution and the process set forth for directing the selection of electors. And this is before we even get to the issue of voter fraud. That said, in many instances, ballots that would have been rejected or, if counted, evidence of fraud, were now said to be legal — not by state legislatures but by those who unilaterally changed the election laws.

The United States Supreme Court had an opportunity before the election, and in this general election cycle, to make clear to the states that they must comply with the plain language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the Constitution. Indeed, when a federal district judge in Michigan altered that state’s election laws, a closely divided U.S. Supreme Court overturned his order. Justice Gorsuch pointed out that the state legislature writes election laws. However, when a case was brought to the Court involving the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s interference in state election laws, the U.S. Supreme Court was paralyzed. Chief Justice Roberts attempted to distinguish between federal and state courts, which is irrelevant; in another instance, Justice Alito ordered the Pennsylvania secretary of state, not once but twice, to segregate certain mail-in ballots, but nothing came of it. A court divided against itself cannot stand, to paraphrase Abraham Lincoln. Its failure to enforce the Constitution (and by that I don’t mean make law or intervene in legitimate state election decisions) has contributed mightily to our current plight.

Despite what has been reported and repeated, the president is not actually or officially chosen on Election Day. The president is not chosen upon the certification of electors by the states. The process ends in Congress. And on Jan. 6, Congress — following both the Constitution and its own procedural law — makes the final decision on who is to be president and vice president of the United States. Of course, in every election in my lifetime, up to now, while there have been some controversies, the process has proceeded without much attention. But this time is different, as it must be. The Democrat Party, its surrogates, and eventually the Biden campaign instituted an unprecedented legal and lobbying campaign, mostly under the radar, as it was not well covered by the usual media outlets, to undermine our Constitution, the Republican state legislatures, and the Trump re-election campaign, in favor of Biden. In other words, the Constitution’s electoral process for choosing electors and ultimately the president and vice president was systematically and strategically attacked. It is now left to Congress, or at least the Republicans in Congress, to confront this. The Democrat Party has done severe damage to the nation’s electoral system, to the point where the state legislatures are now in the position of having the least input on the manner in which elections are held and federal electors are chosen — the complete opposite of what the Constitution compels and the framers unequivocally intended. And the legislatures in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia have, in a variety of ways, objected to what’s occurred, underscoring the seriousness of the problem.

If this outcome is allowed to stand without a fight on Jan. 6, it is difficult to see how this can be fixed. The Democrats will view this as a sure sign that they are free to do more and even worse. It will become extremely difficult for Republicans to win nationwide elections (something the ten or so GOP senators who wish to run for president should keep in mind). It will also become increasingly difficult to win a Republican majority in the Senate. And the 2020 constitutional violations will be used as a baseline for even more unconstitutional manipulations of the electoral system. The Democrat Party’s goal is to turn the nation’s electoral system into the one-party rule that exists in virtually all blue states, especially California with its supermajorities.

As I said earlier, win, lose, or draw, the congressional Republicans must act. It is the Democrats and their media who seek to undo election results by undoing the election system. Look at what they did in 2016 (need I remind everyone of the relentless assault against candidate and then President Trump?) and now 2020. And they have every intention, as they have boldly proclaimed, to further undermine our constitutional system should they win the Senate majority in a few days — by eliminating the filibuster and any ability to slow their radical legislative agenda; packing the Supreme Court with left-wing ideologues; and packing the Senate with four more Democrats from Puerto Rico and D.C. And that’s just for starters. This is the same party that did not care that it had no hope of removing President Trump in the Senate, but impeached him anyway — on the most specious of grounds. They are playing for keeps and destroying our constitutional system, for which they have little regard. I am well aware that it takes a majority of both Houses to send the election of the president to the House of Representatives, where each delegation gets one vote, an extremely difficult hurdle.

Nonetheless, it is not asking too much for the Republicans to uphold the United States Constitution — which they all took an oath to do — and to fight to preserve and protect the plain words set forth in Article II. They must make the case to and on behalf of the American people. And they must make it clear to the Democrats that we, the people, who believe in this Republic, will not roll over! Now, let’s see how many statesmen there are among Republican members of Congress.

Hey Mo,This is a typical response when you don't have anything intelligent to say. Keep posting.

Trump is DONE and these guys don't understand.. sad but true.

Exactly. That dude has been a known quantity since he was chosen as running mate.

Swampthing.

Trump wanted Flynn. Pence was forced on him by McConnell and ccp