These guys seem to say what many of you are saying.

https://patriotparty.info/index.php

There are no political solutions. You can't change the behavior of vermin by legislating them.

Not to be confused by this outfit. Looks like a false flag operation.

https://patriotsparty.net/

Well I am patiently waiting for the gunfight to start. But until them we have to find people to replace the hanged and guillotined.

I suspect they're all controlled opposition, and if not yet, they will be. That's what happens when too many people think, "We need a leader we can get behind!" Inevitably, you will be led astray. The people who are running this show have studied the control of individuals and masses for centuries. They aren't stupid, and they don't make many mistakes. All of their gambles are calculated, and when they misjudge, they have damage-control in place in the form of the entire media machine.

They control the narrative, no matter what happens. That was their biggest coup. The last time that happened was during the Dark Ages in Europe, before the ideals that our civilization is based upon even entered the mass-consciousness.

You want to replace the old criminal cabal with a new one? Is that like hiring a different pedophile to babysit your kids, after you fired the last one?

Your suggestion then?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Party_(1960s%E2%80%931980s)

What would the "Patriot Party" offer that a already established partys like the Libertarian or Constitution Partys don't offer?
People don't understand how long it takes to put a ground game together and get on the ballot in all 50 states.
The Libertarian party can get 4% of the popular vote and even get one electoral vote and still get shut out of the debates.
The duopoly run the show.

No but I figure somebody has to handle the affairs of govt. while I am running my life and it would seem after watching numerous hangings and Guillotine work the elected ones might be a bit more honest for a while anyway.

The Libertarian party is a bit flawed don't you think?

If I could get just a fraction of the wasted money I could retire and enjoy the time I have left.

Saying "No." For starters. To every single representative of government at every opportunity. Authority is given, and it is rescinded in exactly the same fashion. That's a good start. Then, if the shooting is going to start, they are going to start it, and it won't be a fair fight, because they never fight fair. But after a relative handful of necessary sacrifices, word will get around that none of them is going to give any of us any quarter, and all bets will be off. Then things will begin to change.

No political parties, no vote, no protests, no "insurrection". Just a bunch of individuals deciding, "No." Eventually, that "No" will grow so loud as to drown out every other voice, every bit of rhetoric.

You don't have to agree. It's just an idea. It's not a solution. It's just a different direction than we are currently going. Once we stop heading to our utter destruction, we can pick which way we want to go, either as individuals, or as groups.

Feel free to offer your own suggestions.

I have no issue with yours but otherwise am at a total loss as to how to fix this sh**

Wouldn't "no" tend to bring us into a sort of Road Warrior state where we are always armed and holding watch so we are not snuck up on, like camping out in Vietnam in 1968? But I am already at the "No" point without holding watch.

Individually we are nothing more than targets. Collectively we can be a voice to be heard. I believe Trump can organize his supporters to achieve that goal. I will be ready to join in when that happens. Obviously voting is not part of the solution.

And yet I don't see Trump as a stand in for George Washington, Richard the Lionhearted, Caesar ets.

Other than their stance on open borders and abortion I agree with their platform.
I was mainly pointing out that they can pull 4,500,000 votes and win a electoral vote along with being on all 50 state ballots and still cant get on a debate stage.
The numbers are impressive considering the little amount of money the have to work with.
I believe the best option for mainstream Republicans that are fed up with the party is to take over the Constitution Party ( formerly the U.S. Taxpayers' Party). They have ballot access and a ground game. Getting ballot access isn't easy.

I'm waiting for the latest Q drop. Go Team R!

Oops, I meant go Patriots or Team P or whatnot. Sorry for the mixup. I'm a boomer, what can I say? I have trouble adjusting to the new ways.

The worst thing any 3d party can do is run a candidate for president. That only splits the vote and guarantees the worst possible candidate gets elected. It's happened a number of times, most recently Woodrow Wilson and Bill Clinton, thanks to an independent candidate. What they need to do is put all their efforts into getting congressmen elected. They can do that state by state.

The candidate has to be un-ignorable on the order of Ross Perot. Trump could do that for a Patriot Party. Also, I won't be surprised if the lp turns out to be a construct of the oligarchy to forestall the rise of a third party. And I've voted lp whenever they field a representative candidate for years.

I said a year ago we'd all wind up fighting for Trump as awful as he is. What a stupid world.

Trump would get crushed as a 3d party candidate. 100% of his votes would come from current republican voters, leaving both Trump and the R candidate woefully short of even the worst possible Dem candidate.
The only way for Trump to get reelected is to get the Republican nomination through whatever process it takes. Teddy Roosevelt tried it, too. He lost the R nomination so he started the Progressive (Bull Moose) party. All he did was get Woodrow Wilson elected.

The best Trump could do as a 3d party would be to pull a few EC votes and keep the Dem candidate from getting a majority. That would throw it into the house where he would get no votes at all. Rememer, in the house it's 1 vote/state. All the congressmen are R or D and Trump would get nothing.

I think you underestimate the power of the media to simply ignore what or who it doesn't want to acknowledge. Then, since people can't give anyone or anything any validity unless the media does, the person or thing or happening might as well not exist at all. There is no such thing as "un-ignorable" today. If Twitter and Facebook ban it, and Amazon won't sell it, and the MSM won't talk about it, it doesn't exist. They did a version of this to Trump, but rather than ignoring him (they can't ignore a POTUS), they misquoted him and made up endless conspiracies and called everything he did evil and everything he said bigoted.

What you need to realize is it doesn't matter the who or the what. The media will determine how people perceive it, or even whether they do.

Want to ensure that conservatives never hold office?

It's easy - split the vote with a conservative 3rd party!

That's about the dumbest thing ever. If you really wanted to help conservatives, you'd be sending money to the Green Party before you even think about a conservative 3rd party.

This isn't difficult, folks.

It's not a "No" like anarchy. It's a "No" where legitimate govt entities such as cities, counties, etc. say "No" to Federal funding (or at least take the money and then refuse to implement the attached strings) and say "No" to Federal interference. The whole "sanctuary city" type stuff that Progs loved so well but are gonna hate when we implement them.

There's no violence needed by us, no anarchy involved, just using subsidiarity to assert our rights.
Heck, you could even claim you were doing your patriotic duty to help America by trying to save the Feds some money.

Starting a third party won’t work.

As I've said before...to be affective, a 3d party MUST NOT RUN A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT. That's a guaranteed loser. They need to put 100% of their efforts into electing congressmen. That's done state by state, not a national vote. Once they're elected, they can start working to get something done.
Even that's a rough trip. A Patriot party candidate for senator will likely split the R vote in the state, giving it to the D. There have been a few 3d party and independent congressmen who've won, though. Not even remotely close for president.

A third party would have to differentiate itself enough from the party it's leaving so that it attracts more moderates from the party it's competing against. If the third party only attracts people from the party it is leaving then it is doomed to fail.

For example, a Patriot party would have to soften some of the republican core values to attract moderate democrats. The question to ask is if it would attract enough moderate democrats to outnumber the number of people staying with the republican party. The answer is usually No.