I know that we’re currently NOT a nation of law and our Constitution is irrelevant to our enemies, it’s nothing more than an outdated and inconvenient obstacle to their ultimate goal of total control. It’s become all too clear that the communists own our politicians and recently we’ve witnessed a political bias in our judiciary eliminating any checks on unchecked power that was the Constitutional responsibility of SCOTUS. With the disgusting behavior of corrupt judges any further discussion of law, specifically Constitutional law, is hypothetical. My question assumes what a once great nation would do, NOT what is likely to happen as a result of power, greed and corruption.....

Is it legally possible or Constitutionally allowed to hold an impeachment trial against a citizen, a person that is no longer in office? I understand the political motivation for the communists because it’s just another way for them to subvert the will of the people. If a person was so unqualified and undesirable then it should be the choice of the electorate to decide if they’re fit to represent us, not a small minute number of political scum making the decision for 80+ million voters.

It doesn’t seem legal to impeach someone that isn’t in office?

I don't think there's any specific Constitutional prohibition against a senate trial of a non-sitting president....however, one would REALLY have to be stretching things to say that it was Constitutionally authorized.

Not that it matters.

Thanks Stophel. It doesn’t matter because our masters will do as they please. I hope President Trump mounts a vociferous defense with endless evidence.

I hope he just gets out publically what disgusting pedophiles his accusers are. The rest should take care of itself.

I listened to a lot of satellite radio on Saturday. Fox and the Patriot channel. All the commentators said impeachment is to be used to remove a politician from office, not against a private citizen. Jonathan Turley said that what crazy Nancy is doing is unconstitutional.

So is election fraud...

That’s exactly my understanding as well.





No kidding. It’s sickening what they’re doing.

Impeachment is used to remove one from office, and Barr’s them from holding a future position of honor in the government.
Dershowitz was also saying it’s not possible to remove someone from an office they do not hold. If we went down this path, we could retroactively impeach any past president at any time..makes no sense, dog and pony show.
It cannot be simple hatred, the democrats are scared to death of Trump. What’s the old saying, it’s what you know about yourself that makes you truly afraid.

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Short answer this that it's a question that has never been answered. only happened once when one of Grant's cabinet members resigned before the Senate part of his trial started, but the Senate didnt convict so no court ever decided if it was constitutional

No, a private citizen cannot be impeached. It is a political process, not a criminal one. "Impeach" means to call into question, i.e. impeaching ones character. Then the Senate holds a 'trial' to determine if the accusations are justified. Think of it as a recall election initiated by Congress rather than the citizens. And no, a conviction does not automatically bar one from future office.

.................There is NO legal ground nor any Constitutional grounds whatsoever for this impeachment. It is no more than a feel good revenge party for the socialist, marxist demCRAPs, who think that by doing so will make Trump ineligible to run for POTUS in 2024.......There was nothing in his speech on Jan 6th that incited anyone to breach the capital. ON TAPE. Trump lawyers will have a field day ripping the dems to shreds in any senate trial, which by the way, John Roberts to my knowledge said that he would not preside over.

The demCRAP party could care less about the law or the Constitution especially when it blocks their anti-American agenda.

"Crimes" occurred while in office, so YES they can impeach, but to what end? They cannpt remove him from office or "undo" what's been done, Supreme Court won['t allow it - even with the flippers - AND Trump sues the US Gov't after he's acquitted for BILLIONS. LOL That's be so funny, all the tax payer's dollars going to Mr. Trump and he privately funds the wall and jobs,,,,,

I think it's fairly clear it shouldn't be happening.

The legality will be decided by SCOTUS if a conviction happens.


Can't imagine a conviction, but...

As for SCOTUS?

Over the last year or so, who knows?

The world is truly upside down/inside out.

I'm no Constitutional scholar, but I don't believe it to be Constitutional. Virtually every democrat disagrees, because they want to do it...

It was "stretching" things the first time as well.

It certainly tells us how much the left depsides, and fears Donald Trump.

Biggest hissy fit ever, Mitt Romney leading the way...

Neither is anyone else here. I understand that there are two "penalties" that can be levied in an impeachment trial. One is removal from office, the other is being banned from holding office in the future. The latter only requires a simple majority.

Not go to happen

Dershowitz on Impeachment

The motivation in this seems to be to disgrace Trump and hurt him and his businesses financially and most importantly to assure that no political outsider ever tries to expose the "swamp" again. Trump's election surprised and scared the crap out of them. He had to be defeated this time by all means necessary. Something like the Trump 2016 election can never be allowed again.

You cannot impeach a citizen, however that's not what's happening. Trump was impeached while president, that was why the big rush. Once jan 6th got here, they couldn't impeach because he wouldn't be president. It's possible that they also thought maybe he did have another trick up his sleeve and would stay somehow, doubtful but possible.

The trial phase is an interesting question since the majority penalty of guilty is removal from office. However I think the real desire of the Ds is what happens AFTER if he's found guilty. Once found guilty they will then move to bar him from ever holding public office, or receive fund raising, again. They are that afraid of him running again.

Honestly, I think he'd be better served, and the country would as well, to be more of a king maker than a king. In 4 years, he would be to old IMO, that would put him into his 80s at the end of his term (note I feel the same way about Biden). Trump can do more for America by continuing the message he's started, and push for a new republican, or another party if he can't redesign what republican means, and bring in a newer, younger face.

If I was in Trump’s position, I would like to think that I would be able to rejoice in these attacks,

Because it would show the world, how much Trump‘s viewpoint differs from the corrupt political machine.

Their disapproval would be my affirmation

Reforming the Republican party is the only way to do it. A 3d party would be a disaster, guaranteeing Dem domination for a long time.

Being unconstitutional have never fazed the Demons before, so why expect it to faze them now.

They are obsessed & yes, DJT should go scorched earth on all of them, IMO.

Pelosi is not playing with a full deck.

MM

I expect that Trump will be filing law suits. It's a different ballgame now. Time to put all those retainers to work. What are we paying all these Lawyers for?

Reform the Republican swamp members will only happen if the offenders will go on trial and are hanged after proven guilty by a jury of their peers. Isn't gonna happen.

It’s ALL about unity!!

It's worth making the specific point that some have already alluded to. President Trump has already been impeached...twice. The first Impeachment didn't result in a conviction in the Senate. The current Senate was not seated when he was Impeached the second time and it would seem illegal for them to Try him, on that basis alone.

That the toads in Congress fear him, there is no doubt. WHAT they fear is the question. Personally, I've never believed the Q stuff or any other bs that he's fighting some secret war and the military is on his side. While I have no doubt the rank-and-file military love him, the top brass is owned just like the vast majority of our government. Do they fear info he has on them? If so, why in hell didn't he attempt to use it prior to the election? After the steal, why didn't he just throw it all out to us? I fear that he attempted to but just like everything, the info was discredited by the lying, cheating, worthless and above all, bought-and-paid-for news media. Ignored and that which could not be, laughed at and rebuked, just like the election itself.

I think Congress' actions are based purely on the desire for payback and to attempt to bar him from future office. They can all suck my ass, including Rand Paul.

Constitution? Laws?

Those fugks don't give a schit about the law.

I’m sure the senate trial will be as one sided as the House impeachment trials were. Trumps lawyers will be shut down and interrupted and not allowed to make any points, submit evidence, or arguments. It will be a Goat show, for the new Regime.

Trumps kids should run.

maybe a preview of how they would rule on impeachment, but the Supreme Court just ordered the emoluments lawsuits against Trump dismissed since he's no longer in office.

I believe so too. And it might be because they didn't get away with the theft of this election just yet.

They haven't? Ain't Biden in the Whitehouse? Ain't he signing EO's and giving orders? Didn't he just fire a bunch of pipeline workers and people working on the wall?

.............Crimes? Sorry! Under any constitutional standards and/or legal standards under the law, there were no crimes committed by Trump while in office. Now you may be of the opinion that there were, but opinions and hearsay DO NOT CONVICT!

The Establishment has no fear of Donald J Trump running for office again, none.

They had No Fear of him winning in the 2020 election either,

They KNEW the election was rigged for Biden, that’s why he didn’t even need to campaign, he just hid in his basement .

Future election will be no different, if Trump were to run again we would see the same results only worse. They stole the election from him in 2020 and they will steal it again in 2024 no matter the (R) candidate.

News Flash,
You cannot fix election fraud by holding more elections.

This isn’t about Trump running again, they already have that covered.

Apparently there is some precedent for impeaching people after they leave office according to Ted Cruz. However, these impeachments were not at the presidential level. Basically it's an open constitutional question that would have to be decided by SCOTUS.

Well there you have it, senate trial here we come.

I read an article from some retired federal judge who said the constitution states impeachment is for an incumbent only and a trial would be unconstitutional

It's obvious that this amounts to persecution of an American citizen by the Congress. It sets an interesting precedent in that regard. Laws bent for political enemies because of some faux severity of non-existent crimes. Another example of people without principles just making up the rules as they go along. What matters most is if WE allow them to get away with this treasonous BS.

A judge should know better.
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/full-text
Impeachment is done by the House and it is covered in Article 1 Sec. 2. Nowhere does it state it is for incumbents only. This is all it says.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers;and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

A trial in the Senate is covered in Article 1 Sec. 3. I think unfortunately the SCOTUS would rule it is ok as one of the punishments is to bar the person from holding further office.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Don't forget the entrenched politicians want Trump gone forever.
The part I highlighted, this is how the R's will stab him in the back if they want to, while pretending to defend him.
Right now the D's have 48 seats with 2 Independents who will vote with them.
If the R's make a big stink about this being unfair/unconstitutional and they will boycott the proceedings, all they have to do is get enough to sit out so that the D's votes encompass the 2/3rds majority.
If they start talking boycott, this is their plan and people need to light up their phone lines and let them know, we know what you are doing you back stabbing bastids.

Nothing matters to a communist except what they want and do. No rule of law anymore.

This action is NOT about 2024.

It's very unlikely that there would be enough votes to convict Trump assuming a trial is held. Seventeen Republicans would have to vote to convict to get to the 67 required. If Trump is acquitted I don't think that will help the Democrats. We will have to wait and see what happens.

May not help, how can it harm?

They have complete control of the election process, cept for a few states like TX.

That's why Biden is tearing down the wall and flooding the Southern border with illegals and granting amnesty. So they will soon control TX as well.

Fear of Trumps return, nothing more, but fear of what?

The extra constitutional three letter agencies, these agencies such as the FBI, DEA, ATF, DOE and EPA, these massive bureaucracies, would feel the axe hanging over their necks. These are the dam's that keep the swamp full, what corrupt politicians float on. To drain the swamp you have to destroy the dam's.

nothing new for her

Not quite. Impeachment removes them from the office they currently hold. In order to prevent them from holding office again requires a separate trial. Trump does not currently hold an office and is a private citizen and there is NOTHING in the Constitution that says the senate can hold a trial on a private citizen. Remember the only authority the government has is the Constitution. Granted the govt has seized power they are not authorized to have but the concept still remains.

This is the drum I will continue to pound.
Senate cannot try a private citizen, there is no provision for a judge to preside.

Because it points at what the left fears most, a close look at election fraud.
My position is somewhere in between Dershowitz and Cruz.

Yes this is new ground in some ways. The impeachment house vote did set it in motion. Just because the punishment (removal from office) is off the table, does not preclude having the senate trial. And the Constitution does not address this in between situation.

For the life of me I truly cannot fugh'king imagine why?????????
Nevermind, the framers had common sense and didn't think 3rd graders would ever be running the country[that's on us and isn't a joke].

Even if they could try a private citizen they cannot take the first step of removal without admitting that DJT is the President.
Barring from office can only occur as an optional action, following removal.

Correct answer in a nutshell.

All the discussion otherwise is just breast beating.

That's a lawyer question and I'm not a lawyer. However, there seems to be lessening support for such over in the Senate as it's becoming clear to most of the never trumpers that the vast majority of the Republican voting base doesn't want it. Senator Mitch Mcconnell had better choose wisely if he wants to be reelected next time.

An impeachment is a political trial and not a criminal trial. The democRATS are just burning up time trying to impress their base. It also makes nancy pelosi feel like a big shot. She is so full of hate it has made her mentally ill. The woman ain't right and hasn't been for a long time. She belongs in a nut house in a rubber room.

kwg

I am sure that the dems will be fair and impartial in this undertaking.











NOPE NO WAY.With Leghy acting as a so called judge the fix is in.