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Armed citizens should observe and report violent attacks, rather than try to defend themselves or other innocent victims, according to Oakland Police Chief LeRonne Armstrong. The chief’s statement came during a briefing on the arrest of a business owner in Oakland, California’s Chinatown earlier this week.

Armstrong made it clear that he is no fan of residents arming themselves for self-defense, even with a huge uptick in the number of robberies and assaults reported in the community. In his press briefing, the chief declared, “We don’t want our business owners or others to begin to arm themselves. We would really prefer them to be good witnesses.”



According to Armstrong, if you witness a woman being beaten and robbed outside of your store, you’re not supposed to intervene to stop the attack. Instead, you’re supposed to simply sit back and watch so you can tell police all about it after the fact.

“What we really don’t want to do is bring any additional issues that threaten safety into the equation,” Armstrong continued. “Having armed people out there tends to not be helpful. Officers sometimes have to determine who they’re trying to encounter and that also makes it unsafe for all of us. So while I appreciate those who have stepped forward and are looking to help our community members and be there and intervene, I think you can do that with your voices, you can do that with making phone calls to the OPD, but allowing us to come in and respond.”

The problem with that outlook is that police are rarely in a position to respond in time to stop an attack like the one that occurred Monday afternoon. Armstrong as much as admits that with his statement that citizens should watch a crime take place rather than try to save someone being robbed and assaulted, so they can offer their detailed description to police once they arrive.

The Oakland PD is bringing “community liaison officers” into Chinatown to help increase the number of crimes reported to police, but that’s far from the only issue at the moment.

As Oakland Chinatown Chamber of Commerce President, Carl Chan, explains — merchants and residents in Chinatown have trouble reporting crimes due to language barriers, fear of retaliation, and long wait times.

“These two officers in these communities that are non-English speaking, I think they will bring a resource that doesn’t currently exist,” Chan said. “It will give the community confidence that they can communicate directly with the Oakland Police Department in their own language.”


That’s a good move, but it doesn’t directly address the problem of the growing number of robberies and assaults that have been reported to police.

Even in Oakland, California citizens have the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense and the defense of another. While I’m sure it would be easier for police if there were no legal gun owners out there, that’s both unrealistic and unconstitutional, yet Armstrong made it clear that he believes there’s no place for armed citizens defending themselves or others.

“What we’re saying to our community is that we don’t want anyone firing weapons into our community. Even though well-intentioned, what we cannot have is people firing guns at others in our community. And so we just want to make sure that we send a clear message that it’s important that we help one another and that we come together as a community, but it’s as important that we don’t put anybody else in harm’s way, right? That we don’t put any other lives at risk by firing firearms in our community.”

Armstrong was asked by a local reporter about the fact that police may not be able to respond to an attack in time to stop it. What are these people supposed to do when they see a crime being committed right in front of them? The chief’s response? Observe and report.

“We’ll get there as fast as we can, but introducing a firearm into a situation where a person’s life may not be at risk is really something that we discourage. We’re not talking about someone’s life being immediately taken, we’re talking about someone firing a weapon into the community when at that point it didn’t seem appropriate to do so.”

So, Armstrong believes that the robbery victim wasn’t facing a threat to her life, though it’s impossible to know if the attack would have escalated if not for the presence of the armed citizen who fired several rounds. After another reporter asked the chief about the growing number of private security guards in Chinatown as a result of the increased crime, Armstrong responded by once again dismissing the idea of armed self-defense.

“What we don’t want is to create a situation where people in our community feel like they need to resort to bringing out firearms and defending themselves. That’s where we begin to cause a greater issue for all of us.”

Armstrong admitted that violent crime is up across the city, not just in Chinatown. Carjackings are on the rise, as are homicides, yet he still insists that people protecting themselves is problematic.

As I mentioned in my first story on the arrest of the business owner, I’ve heard from a law enforcement officer in the Oakland area who says that officers on the scene did not want to make an arrest, but were directed to do so by a higher-up in the department. I reached out to the Oakland Police to see if they would confirm or deny that, but was directed instead to the video of the chief’s briefing, which makes no mention of who determined that the business owner should be taken into custody.

Since I couldn’t get a direct response from the police department, I’ve put in a request to interview Chief Armstrong, and I hope that the chief can carve out a few minutes to talk over the next couple of days. I’ve got some serious questions about his philosophy on armed citizens, why he believes that passively observing a violent crime being committed is more appropriate than defending yourself or others with a firearm, and whether or not the arrest on Monday was directed by officers on the scene or by top brass in the department.

As for the business owner himself, his case is now in the hands of the Alameda County District Attorney’s office. The robber he stopped, on the other hand, fled the scene and hasn’t been taken into custody. For the moment, the only person arrested in connection with the attack is the man who stopped it.
He needs to be relieved of his position immediately. He can’t be in charge of people enforcing the law if he has such a blatant ignorance.
And I'm not a fan of niqqers holding public office.

Regardless, people have a right to arm themselves and a right to defend themselves. No government in the USA has the power to deny or rescind or tax or in any way infringe on these rights, regardless of what the enforced laws now say. The enforcers of those laws act as traitors, as do those who vote to pass such laws, or who sign them into law. When traitors are given the death they have earned according to the law, there will be justice and liberty once again in the land. Until then, things will continue to get worse.
Good thing he muzzled Captain whitey in the background. You can see the frustration radiate from his eye sockets.
Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
He needs to be relieved of his position immediately. He can’t be in charge of people enforcing the law if he has such a blatant ignorance.


I concur. Unfortunately, he's a political animal and fits right in with the majority of police chiefs in Kalifornistan. He does the bidding of his paymasters to get that Golden State Pension and to hell with the constitution, it means nothing to him despite any oath he took.
He wants subjects, not citizens. Subjects can be dealt with at leisure.
When seconds matter, police are minutes away.

I'll take my chances defending myself if I can't walk away. Last thing I want is LEO filling out paperwork over my corpse.
The same mindset is the reason streets are lined with trash. "Someone gets paid to pick it up".

He cares more about the lives of black criminals than he does their victims.
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
He wants subjects, not citizens. Subjects can be dealt with at leisure.


Imagine a bunch of modern-day busy-body women armed with cellphones in charge of the gunpowder and shot at Lexington and Concord back in 1775 when the Redcoats came into view and delivered their ultimatum: "OMG, somebody call 911!!!!"
Good witness=Dead witness
Democrat.
He be needing a mask.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin


Imagine a bunch of modern-day busy-body women armed with cellphones in charge of the gunpowder and shot at Lexington and Concord back in 1775 when the Redcoats came into view and delivered their ultimatum: "OMG, somebody call 911!!!!"


Not a good example. A battalion of suburban Karens would have had the British army fleeing North America within three months.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
He wants subjects, not citizens. Subjects can be dealt with at leisure.


Imagine a bunch of modern-day busy-body women armed with cellphones in charge of the gunpowder and shot at Lexington and Concord back in 1775 when the Redcoats came into view and delivered their ultimatum: "OMG, somebody call 911!!!!"
Redcoats were the Poleece.
Take away the gun from Whitey, and Whitey can't defend himself, and he be a better target for all de poor bruths'a who need what Whitey got................that's what he is saying.
London is calling. Feel free to cross the pond. Heard they are looking for more Bobbies. You can turn in your gun, and preach to the choir there. Fighting back and standing your ground isn't allowed on the Queen's land. American's fight back. That's what made, and still does, make us Americans.
Fugg that dummy, also, if he didn't serve, get those Stars off that collar, don't be a clown! and BTW, we request you eradicate crip/blood, ms-13 etc etc from your streets, can you do that you big fu-king fat brown vagina?
Originally Posted by JamesJr
Take away the gun from Whitey, and Whitey can't defend himself, and he be a better target for all de poor bruths'a who need what Whitey got................that's what he is saying.


Not as much whitey as the Asians. Chinatown is under assault by, "criminal culture" types. A lot of Bay Ares Asian girl activists are screaming about it, but somehow it is Trump's fault, and therefore White Nationalists, and thus "Whitey". A common stereotype is that Asians all have cash on hand and in their homes.
Perhaps folks like HIM are the reason I prefer to be armed.
" ... “We don’t want our business owners or others to begin to arm themselves. We would really prefer them to be good witnesses.” ... Chief LeRonne, O.P.D.

Or dead.

L.W.
Originally Posted by Ranger_Green
A common stereotype is that Asians all have cash on hand and in their homes.



We don't have a lot of Asians here, at least not compared to other races, but I can't say that I've ever seen one that wasn't working at some kind of a job or business. Can't say the same about Blacks, Hispanics, Injuns, and Whites.
typical dhimmicrat black liberal police response How do these incompetent idiots rise up to 4 star level?
He may be incompetent, but he is also bought-and-paid-for. A trained sideshow act, saying what he's told to say. He does what he is told to and that's why he is in his position. He's there for tyranny, not to keep the peace. "Law Enforcement". When you're there to "enforce the law", you enforce whatever law is put in front of you. When you're there to actually keep the peace, outlooks change.
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
He wants subjects, not citizens. Subjects can be dealt with at leisure.


Imagine a bunch of modern-day busy-body women armed with cellphones in charge of the gunpowder and shot at Lexington and Concord back in 1775 when the Redcoats came into view and delivered their ultimatum: "OMG, somebody call 911!!!!"
Redcoats were the Poleece.


Exactly.
You will not vote your way out of this. There are too many people in the USA willing to do unto others what they don't want done unto them...for money. Democrats are commies and commies are simply a tool of those wishing to totally subjugate you. You're way over halfway there. Be advised.
I'd put the chair against the wall for y'all, but it was taken by the commies for non-payment of taxes...I mean, "contributions".
He’s not only a terrible chief but he was probably a terrible cop.

Any cop (and lawyer) knows that eye-witnesses are terrible witnesses. Ask 100 and you’ll get 100 different stories. You might be able to piece something decent together, but they’re hardly reliable witnesses.
Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
He needs to be relieved of his position immediately. He can’t be in charge of people enforcing the law if he has such a blatant ignorance.

I'm in this camp. ^^^
About the 4:00 mark he mentions that "firing firearms into our community presents a potential safety risk to our community".

No mention that arrest and imprisonment policies nowadays present an actual safety risk to our community.

There's a feeling I have, our Sheriff out here in the wilds, would not have held the same type of press conference.
The Chief don't care if YOU live or die....just don't create more paperwork for him......writing is hard.
These folks will eventually get tired of this nonsense. Then they will take things in their own hands. American way.
Hasbeen
Violent criminals need to be kept locked up, and not released back into 'civil' society.

If/when that ever happens, most civilized people will not feel compelled to arm themselves for their own personal security.
I just realized this dude might be softening up targets so there isn’t another “rooftop Asians” incident for the next round of reparations.
Originally Posted by gregintenn
Perhaps folks like HIM are the reason I prefer to be armed.





People like him are the reason I'm always armed..

And usually heavily armed. Lol.

F' him. Jagoff.
Fugg this guy...

I'm not waiting for schitt and not defending myself of anyone else being attacked.
Last August, I had an incident in Oakland where someone pulled a gun on me and tried to run me off the road for having a Trump bumper sticker (see here for the original post with details).

I spoke with the California Highway Patrol as well as the Oakland police after the incident. The Oakland cops said they didn't have jurisdiction since it happened on the freeway, and the CHP refused to follow up on my report.

This is what the Police Chief means when he said he wants good witnesses: If the left wing mob attacks someone, witness it all you want, but the cops aren't going to do a thing, even if guns come out.

If I'm ever attacked in Oakland again (and it's likely to happen, as I have to go there about once a month), I know what will have to happen, and contacting the police will not be part of my plan.
Always sorry to hear you have to return to that place, even for good reason. The usual platitude of "stay safe" carries a whole new meaning in Oakland and other areas like it.
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GH,

In my conversations I've had with these types it gets to be clear what they want.
They want us to depend on them and not be the protectors of ourselves our families and local communities as I believe God intended.
If they have the power to tax you for the priviledge of "protecting" you, they have gained control OVER you.
They have a psychology that justifies that kind of power to themselves and society. If I were to spend the kind of money on a private security detail for my neighborhood, there would need to be results or I'd fire them. Their big money comes from taxes and tickets for traffic violations....both stealing and forced monopoly. Look at the crime rates and taxes of cities that size and the guys should be ashamed of themselves, not telling everyone to disarm so the criminals can have their way with victims.
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Always sorry to hear you have to return to that place, even for good reason. The usual platitude of "stay safe" carries a whole new meaning in Oakland and other areas like it.
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Thanks, I don't like going back at all. I've been in some dangerous places around the world, but nothing is like Oakland. It's not that the bad folks who are there are so much worse than bad people elsewhere, it's the institutionalized corruption and acceptance of crime that makes the thugs so dangerous. Even in the middle east, there is some sort of consequence when someone gets violent. In Oakland, it's rewarded (with acceptance).
Scumbag.
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
And I'm not a fan of niqqers holding public office.

Regardless, people have a right to arm themselves and a right to defend themselves. No government in the USA has the power to deny or rescind or tax or in any way infringe on these rights, regardless of what the enforced laws now say. The enforcers of those laws act as traitors, as do those who vote to pass such laws, or who sign them into law. When traitors are given the death they have earned according to the law, there will be justice and liberty once again in the land. Until then, things will continue to get worse.

Well said.
Originally Posted by Remsen
Last August, I had an incident in Oakland where someone pulled a gun on me and tried to run me off the road for having a Trump bumper sticker (see here for the original post with details).

I spoke with the California Highway Patrol as well as the Oakland police after the incident. The Oakland cops said they didn't have jurisdiction since it happened on the freeway, and the CHP refused to follow up on my report.

This is what the Police Chief means when he said he wants good witnesses: If the left wing mob attacks someone, witness it all you want, but the cops aren't going to do a thing, even if guns come out.

If I'm ever attacked in Oakland again (and it's likely to happen, as I have to go there about once a month), I know what will have to happen, and contacting the police will not be part of my plan.


My Dad and I both had a similar situation.
His was on the way to Pittsburgh on 79.
LOL!!! My Dad lost it and pulled out his pipe when that guy tried to kill him in road rage. I had to talk him down because he wasn't going to let it go .

Mine were car loads of young punks that wanted to force me over a cliff on a twisty mountain narrow.
A few other times now to think of it. Wow, life has been an episode of Starsky and Hutch. Lol!
Glad you didn't have trouble with the chief indian, Underarmstrong, for the bumper sticker or driving too slow or something.
All of those Asians out there who have been getting the puddin' beaten out of them by jiggaboos are watching him and thinking, "FLUCK THAT!"
Ask a criminal just what a good witness is, you’ll get the same answer as asking a Patriot what a good communist is.
Glad weather is breaking , holy shiit I need to start doing some serious hiking .
Dumb fu cks like this will cause stupid things be said .
Kenneth
I'm glad I don't live anywhere near Ookland. Problem is, their diseased policies are spreading fast.
Looks like a gangbanger went legit... Fug him and everyone like him. Decent folks in Oakland should have sold and left years ago while they could still cash out. Now they may well be stuck.
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