When do you all think we'll see a change for the better as far as the general availability of ammunition and reloading components?

Too early to tell.


Primers? Maybe 4 years?

Never.

2A attacks coming. That’ll keep the buying going. If they pass tax/registration purchases of accessories will be given to .gov to make sure you comply.

New normal.

About 6 months or so. I hear stuff is starting to slowly appear on the shelves again.

Geeze? Even primers?

As I understand it...primers are only sold when they are surplus to demand.

When people stop hoarding.

I don’t know when or if it will end.
Was in Scheels in Eden Prairie Mn a week ago. They had I suppose 5000 or more CCI small pistol primers. They were taken out of their sleeves and being sold $4/100. Was agin in that store several days later. Saw a guy buy what was left of them, I suppose 500.
Was surprised that they had any and $4 was a decent price in these times.

Midway has bullets at a reasonable price. Not everything a fellow might want, but a pretty good selection. Lot better than it was 2 weeks ago.

Don't have a better handle on it than the forum experts but do know what I'm seeing. 3 days ago some CCI large pistol magnums 350's showed up at fleet & farm . Don't know how many there were but 7 100 ct boxes on the behind the counter shelf when I got there. They had a 3 box limit $4.79 a box, I don't need them but bought them anyway for my neighbor who does need cci-300 for his 45 app's. On the same shipment they received WW 223 match ammo, 224 valkyries 2 bullet weights ,270 wsm, 300 sav.,2 different loads of 7mm mag federals and about 8 cases of Remington 30-06 in 150 & 165 gr weights.
For around here in the last 3 months that's a lot showing up at one time. 2 box limit on ammo the 06 was gone in 5 hrs. The local Scheels has been getting stuff everyday and most is gone on the same day. Asspro doesn 't ge sh*t except more made in china [bleep] rag clothes for the " outdoors person". Cheap chink made sporting goods, they have shot shells but their cfr and rf ammo is absent less you need a 330 dollar box of 470 nitro. It simply appears to me that the chain stores with the best contracts and distribution systems have more on a regular basis but their shelves items don't last long. Yesterday I scored a brick of BR-4's for 65 bucks at Scheels that's only about $10 max higher than they normally are now I can make 222 loads. Mb

Last go around Magnum primers were the first ones back on the shelf then too.

What’s your definition of hoarding? Seems to be a lot of variation. Some seem to believe that if you have any on hand beyond your immediate needs, you’re hoarding. Personally, I think having to make a run to your LGS every time you want to load up some ammo is a big waste of time and gas, hence stupid. Same goes for ammunition. Long before any of the shortages, and before I did much loading, It was always my practice to acquire enough ammo of the same lot to last a while, so I wouldn’t have to re-zero my rifles every year, just check them.

Signs that it's easing up are random aberrations that mean nothing. A few lucky procurements are the exception not the rule and they will thin out as time goes by. In the long term you'll never see it like it was in recent decades and the trajectory of our politics will ensure this bleak forecast,

I'm involved in ammo manufacturing many million rounds per year and we obtain our components from OEM sources and I'll tell you that it's a perfect storm for ammo shortages for a long time to come.

People seem to forget there were over 21M new guns sold in 2020 and nearly 5M were new gun owners.

Add to that shooters that already owned guns but didn't keep a supply on hand (see 24hourcampfire whiners).

Geez, Pappy. Stop making sense.

When there's either enough supply to negate secondary market demand, or, the retailers decide the quash the margins out of the secondary market themselves. The drought could be over in ~60 days if retailers decided to charge "gunbroker" prices.

2 boxes of factory loaded Hornady 6.5 Creed 143 ELD-X ammo on Gunbroker for "buy it now" of $75 right now. If retailers were to get in a case of 10 boxes, put that on the shelf for say $100/box, they'd sell a couple and sit on a bunch. Figure 60-90 days and the shelves might not be "full" but they'd take a big bite outta the folks in line every morning who're nabbing and re-selling to the folks who have to be at work.

Take your Definition of hoarding, and apply it to your retirement account.

Do you Still call it hoarding ?

Ha! Yeah, IRAs and pensions, even SS come under periodic attack here from some of those without ‘em.

Anti-Boomerism😜



Sorry, got carried away.

Found Large Rifle Primers last week, $10 bucks for 100, limited to 4 boxes per customer.
Still no powder, damn few Bullets at LGSs. Walmart and other places have nothing, no even shotgun shells!
I may be paranoid (and I am), but I suspect there’s a lot more than just hoarding behind this.
I don’t know when it will end, but I fully believe this is orchestrated, and I fully expect some kind of mass shooting, something very shocking, a mall or maybe even a grade school, to be followed by nationwide bans of semi autos and registration of all.
Too many black swan things are lining up for me not to believe that somebody’s pulling strings. This is freakin ridiculous, and downright scary, tin foil hat or not.
Mark my words. I pray I’m wrong, but I fear I’m right.
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Exactly. A lot of "holier than thou" going on with guys complaining about hoarding and claiming that if you don't have enough ammo on hand; then you didn't properly prepare or have foresight. I suspect that some of us like to burn up more ammo in a year than some people use in a lifetime.

I have several years worth of ammo and components on hand if I used it at my normal rate. My personal issue is that I have had, for quite a few years, a pretty good stock of components. My practice has been to replace it as I use it. I'm not personally comfortable going through 5k or 6k rounds of 9mm or .223, etc...., if I can't replace it.

Sure, I could refrain from shooting any of my big game rifles other than simply confirming zero, then shooting the animal. If I did that I'd have a several hundred year supply of ammo for each rifle. I don't want to do that. I live on a pretty good piece of rural land. I have rifle and pistol ranges right at the house, and I like to shoot. The fact that I'm a bit worried about the supply has nothing to do with hoarding or being unprepared. It has to do with being concerned with being able to continue doing what I enjoy doing.

I don’t expect door to door searches... yet. Maybe a year or so down the road.
I do expect some kind of draconian measures to enforce compliance with the new restrictions. If you’ve bought ammo or components, and probably hunting license, you may face some economic setbacks like frozen accounts and such.
I already discussed the possibilities with Wifey. I told her I will not comply, and I will resist any stupidity, even physically if need be.
I don’t know what to say. I can’t expect her to give up our home and livelihood, but she’s pretty committed to the 2A too, so who knows what may happen.
Remember, this is not about guns, it is about controlling you and your money, and your voice!
They’re not scared of guns, they’re surrounded by armed guards. They are afraid of you, your ideals, and your thoughts. You’re being disarmed because they’re afraid of YOU!
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1. Until the democrats are no longer in charge.
Answer: could be a long time or 2-6 years if we're lucky.

2. When ammo manufactures increase supply enough to meet demand.
Answer: Unlikely because of 1. Investment is too risky based on radical political climate.

3. When the price increases enough so that supply matches demand.
Answer: No manufacturers or retailers want to be skewered for "taking advantage" in "bad times".

2 years if ever.

I walked past CCI LRM primers yesterday for $50 per K

I’ve already started hoarding tires

Being able to do what you want to do doesn't only apply to rifles and pistols. Those bastards are trying to take all your freedoms away. Don't just focus on rifles, pistols and ammo.

Things like dried food alcohol medical supplies medications bandages canned goods oil for cooking powdered milk rice beans flour razors broth should also be in your plans..

The prices on many of these things have not changed much in the past year. Take advantage of this while you can.

,,,,,,,,,,,,, these are commas

That's all you took in of that?

Lmao. Another victm.

One thing it will need for the hoarders to have more than they can sell and the gun shows or on gun broker and make a profit.

We went to Billings on Saturday. Scheels and Cabellas didn’t have much, 28 gauge, a few odd ball this and that’s.

Murdoch’s in milescity add next to nothing too

Only a victim of writing literacy.....

I'll cross swords with you in that regard any fugking time.

Dumbass, you still didn't get the message, which is "wake the [bleep] up"!

Period police fugkin moron.

Just got home after a couple of days and haven't read the whole thread, but I would say as soon as we allow it to happen.

If the Senate and House go firmly AMERICAN, not exactly GOP, in 2022, expect a little reprieve that will last three months at the longest, and then start tightening up as the river of dark-money BS tied to the presidential contest goes into full flood. But only if all three branches go American again, in a clean election, will this relent for any significant period.

You'll notice I said AMERICAN, not GOP. There are scum in the GOP that still need to be extracted from the body of the beast. The "conservative" elites are just as contemptuous of the peasantry as the Communist nomenklaturists.

You're absolutely right. In the past couple of years, we've vacuum sealed a couple of years supply of staples in mylar bags. Have about 150 dozen canning lids (a 3 or 4 year supply, depending on what does well in the garden). Ten 50 pound bags of table salt, spices, dried herbs, simple medical supplies, etc. I didn't think about razors. I'm going to add a bunch. More use than just shaving.
I usually have at least a couple of deer in the freezer, plus fish and other meats. If we lose power, plan would be to fire up the canner. A lot you can do with canned meat.

I’ve been “hoarding” ammo and components for years.....anyone that doesn’t like that can kiss my ass. 🖕

Thanks for sharing insights. Looks like we are in for a long drought

I think by July or August things will be leveling out.

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I just ordered 14 pounds of powder here

https://www.bobcatarmament.com/components/

I'd never heard of them before but found a link on cast bullet forum....

have we not flogged this subject enough? There must be a dozen current threads on the same thing

What year?

Never , it’s a thing of the past

After sandy hook it took 2 years for the old geezers to stop going to Walmart and buying up all the 22lr they would never shoot. This shortage isn’t goin* anywhere. The fact it’s effected everything from bullets to all reloading components should show you it’s real. I have trouble finding 25 cal bullets even. We are going to see this shortage for at least 2 years. Likely even 3 years and probably till the next presidential election. I am ok for a while. But 3 years not without shooting less than I want to. If it clears up I will probably take 3 grand and just buy up all the high volume stuff I would use for a long time

3 grand might not buy you jack sh*t by then.